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Offense & Defense Clean Up

I was not as satisfied as I thought I would have been after beating scUM by 7 in the White Out. The obvious reason is we almost blew a 21 point lead and allowed scUM to make their biggest comeback win ever. Thankfully that did NOT happen.

Nevertheless, this game leaves us with nagging concerns about the team.

Why did we stall on offense (a continuing trend)? Is Clifford not able to survey the field well and find other receivers? Crappy play calling? No Cain or would it have mattered with our average as usual O line? ScUM just figured it out on D and we had no counter adjustment? Basically we lose that game if played in AA.

Our D had a decent effort but our secondary got exposed as well as a weak pash rush. What's up with that? Is scUM that godd at pass blocking? For most of the last 35 minutes of the game it felt like scUM was playing downhill with all roads leading to our endzone. Os it just the freakish NFL WR athletes for scUM along with Patterson deciding to play great that hurt us. Gattis knowing us and out coaching Pry and Franklin? Just worried there is now a blueprint to attack us. If Shane Patterson can do that to us in a White Out game then Fields and OSU will murder us in Columbus. Before that is Sparty and are we going to let Lewerke look like Elway or Montana on Saturday and make Dantonio look like freaking Belicheat??

Clifford is solid but not great and without Hamler or Friermuth in the pass game there is very little despite a plethora of other talent. Need to have other options step up. Need Cain to be the lead horse. Need Gross Matos to start playing like a top 20 pick or there will be no top 20 pick for him.

You hit on something. The Gattis factor. I thought the same.

As for Lewerke looking like Joe Montana, we've been there and done that with Stanley of Iowa. Sometimes you guys are over the top on pessimism. Swear to God.
 
Who among all of us here holds a 80-1 ticket from Caesar's Palace for Penn State to win the national title this year?

Yes, I have my money on their chances. I don't hate, I just wish for the kind of dominance I see from other programs. After all, didn't CJF himself say he was taking this program to "elite" status?

Holding a 50-1 'ticket' from my online site...and that was at the beginning of the season. I got jobbed!
 
Most people here were thinking 9-3, 10-2 kind of season. Right now we are right on track for that type of year with a possible 11-1 or 12-0 year.
Every single year I saw PSU go undefeated or 11-1, they had close wins. It's rather common. People need to relax.

I thought we’d be 8-4. We are just so young and I was/am in the O Line has to prove it (no more hype) side. The O Line is a little better, espec Fries who was a shitshow last year. Glad I am likely wrong on the record.
I would like to see more than 1 half of good football for a change (besides the MD game).
 
I was not as satisfied as I thought I would have been after beating scUM by 7 in the White Out. The obvious reason is we almost blew a 21 point lead and allowed scUM to make their biggest comeback win ever. Thankfully that did NOT happen.

Nevertheless, this game leaves us with nagging concerns about the team.

Why did we stall on offense (a continuing trend)? Is Clifford not able to survey the field well and find other receivers? Crappy play calling? No Cain or would it have mattered with our average as usual O line? ScUM just figured it out on D and we had no counter adjustment? Basically we lose that game if played in AA.

Our D had a decent effort but our secondary got exposed as well as a weak pash rush. What's up with that? Is scUM that godd at pass blocking? For most of the last 35 minutes of the game it felt like scUM was playing downhill with all roads leading to our endzone. Os it just the freakish NFL WR athletes for scUM along with Patterson deciding to play great that hurt us. Gattis knowing us and out coaching Pry and Franklin? Just worried there is now a blueprint to attack us. If Shane Patterson can do that to us in a White Out game then Fields and OSU will murder us in Columbus. Before that is Sparty and are we going to let Lewerke look like Elway or Montana on Saturday and make Dantonio look like freaking Belicheat??

Clifford is solid but not great and without Hamler or Friermuth in the pass game there is very little despite a plethora of other talent. Need to have other options step up. Need Cain to be the lead horse. Need Gross Matos to start playing like a top 20 pick or there will be no top 20 pick for him.
Us. I guess you have a mouse in your pocket
 
I thought we’d be 8-4. We are just so young and I was/am in the O Line has to prove it (no more hype) side. The O Line is a little better, espec Fries who was a shitshow last year. Glad I am likely wrong on the record.
I would like to see more than 1 half of good football for a change (besides the MD game).

LMFAO, I'm sure your demands as to what "you'd like" are at the top of the Staff's priorities. :rolleyes:
 
I thought we’d be 8-4. We are just so young and I was/am in the O Line has to prove it (no more hype) side. The O Line is a little better, espec Fries who was a shitshow last year. Glad I am likely wrong on the record.
I would like to see more than 1 half of good football for a change (besides the MD game).
So we go 1-4 the rest of the way??
 
I thought we’d be 8-4. We are just so young and I was/am in the O Line has to prove it (no more hype) side. The O Line is a little better, espec Fries who was a shitshow last year. Glad I am likely wrong on the record.
I would like to see more than 1 half of good football for a change (besides the MD game).
Our defense is the third best IN THE COUNTRY in scoring defense right now. They've only given up 8 touchdowns in 7 games and are behind Wisconsin and Ohio State. We don't need to dominate offensively to win. Score enough and don't turn the ball over and we can compete with any team in the country.
 
Clifford has thrown 2 real INTs. Are you saying that of all his passes only 2 were "interceptable" and both also were intercepted, a 100% interception rate of "interceptable" throws?

Basically, yes. However, if one of the 2 INTs wasn't his fault (and I don't really remember), then no. I know it sounds like a made up stat, but 'Interceptable Pass Rate' basically refers to the percentage of passes that should have been intercepted by the defender, but must be the fault of the QB. For example, if a QB hit his wide open receiver right in the numbers and the ball ricochets in the air and is intercepted, this would be a non-interceptable ball. If the ball is tipped by a defensive lineman because an OL got blown back, this also may be a non-QB interception. Surely, there may be some subjectivity involved, but I think the point still stands. The source of the stat I gave regarding Clifford is behind a pay wall, but here's an example from last year's NFL season.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2019/adjusted-interceptions-2018
 
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By the way did Bell drop the ball as a result of a hit by Wade? I am wishing this but I think it had nothing to do with Wade and just a pure drop by Bell.
Just my opinion - I think was just a drop, though Wade’s presence (he was in good position) compounded what was already not an easy catch (hard throw with him moving towards the ball).
 
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I was not as satisfied as I thought I would have been after beating scUM by 7 in the White Out. The obvious reason is we almost blew a 21 point lead and allowed scUM to make their biggest comeback win ever. Thankfully that did NOT happen.

Nevertheless, this game leaves us with nagging concerns about the team.

Why did we stall on offense (a continuing trend)? Is Clifford not able to survey the field well and find other receivers? Crappy play calling? No Cain or would it have mattered with our average as usual O line? ScUM just figured it out on D and we had no counter adjustment? Basically we lose that game if played in AA.

Our D had a decent effort but our secondary got exposed as well as a weak pash rush. What's up with that? Is scUM that godd at pass blocking? For most of the last 35 minutes of the game it felt like scUM was playing downhill with all roads leading to our endzone. Os it just the freakish NFL WR athletes for scUM along with Patterson deciding to play great that hurt us. Gattis knowing us and out coaching Pry and Franklin? Just worried there is now a blueprint to attack us. If Shane Patterson can do that to us in a White Out game then Fields and OSU will murder us in Columbus. Before that is Sparty and are we going to let Lewerke look like Elway or Montana on Saturday and make Dantonio look like freaking Belicheat??

Clifford is solid but not great and without Hamler or Friermuth in the pass game there is very little despite a plethora of other talent. Need to have other options step up. Need Cain to be the lead horse. Need Gross Matos to start playing like a top 20 pick or there will be no top 20 pick for him.

Absolutely thrilled with the win. Your comment on secondary is spot on. OSU will torch those guy if the front seven don't get to the quarterback. Our DB philosophy seems to be foul them, or have our short DB's run into them along the sideline without ever turning to look for the ball. We play center field pretty good.
 
I hope most will read this because it’s an important point that a lot of fans might not realize. Clifford has around 190 pass attempts this year and 2 have been graded as "interceptable". TWO! That's 1%.

Even if he's missing some throws or not finding the open guy here or there, he isn't giving the opponent a chance to quickly change the game with a turnover and he's making great decisions to throw it away when he has to. Trace, who I love and adore, made a lot of boneheaded throws.

Going three and out isn’t much different than a turnover...
 
Going three and out isn’t much different than a turnover...

No. The chances of the opposing team scoring off of a TO are significantly higher than a change of possession from a punt. Consider that when we do go 3 and out, it’s in our own territory.
 
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Thanks for bringing that to light. I do appreciate that he is very careful with the ball. Looking forward to him improving his ability to go through his progressions, if he can't then we will struggle @ MSU and get hammered @OSU. OSU has the secondary to shut Hamler down.

It will be much easier for Clifford to go through his progressions as the OL improves. Clifford has done a nice job of avoiding sacks while still looking down field, something that Trace did an outstanding job of, but if the OL can make at least some progress in pass blocking and particularly blitz pickups it will go a long way in making Clifford look better in picking up his 2nd and 3rd options on passing plays. And our RB's will surely get better in picking up blitzing LB's and DB's as they get experience as well - another area where the 4 RB rotation is showing up...........
 
It will be much easier for Clifford to go through his progressions as the OL improves. Clifford has done a nice job of avoiding sacks while still looking down field, something that Trace did an outstanding job of, but if the OL can make at least some progress in pass blocking and particularly blitz pickups it will go a long way in making Clifford look better in picking up his 2nd and 3rd options on passing plays. And our RB's will surely get better in picking up blitzing LB's and DB's as they get experience as well - another area where the 4 RB rotation is showing up...........
just a slight quibble there, Greg. I think Clifford himself has room for improvement in this area, at least equal to the OL. He is skittish in the pocket and things are still happening fast for him. He is avoiding sacks, but not locating secondary receivers. It's mostly just inexperience at this level and an area he is capable of doing better.
 
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just a slight quibble, there Greg. I think Clifford himself has room for improvement in this area, at least equal to the OL. He is skittish in the pocket and things are still happening fast for him. He is avoiding sacks, but not locating secondary receivers. It's mostly just inexperience at this level and an area he is capable of doing better.

No doubt that Clifford will improve as he gets more game experience. He's just a first year starter and we as fans would love that learning curve to get condensed. There's going to be up's and down's along the way, but it's super that he has done a great job of minimizing turnovers.

If his long throw to Dotson when he scrambled out of the pocket would have been 3 yards shorter we would now be discussing how much he has improved in looking down field while scrambling.... ;)
 
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I always like these posts no matter how many of them there are:

1. If we sub on defense so much to keep players fresh for the end, then why:
1. do we look tired or
2. why are the back ups in during the final push?

2. Our offense stalls because Cliff is a young, 1st year starter. He leaves a ton of plays out on the field. we were all spoiled by Trace and that is evident during our lulls.

3. In case anyone was wondering I believe Iowa and Michigan are ranked on defense pretty high. Pitt, as much as people will hate it, is not a defensive slouch either.

4. Enough with the Noah Cain stuff. Cain gets his time in the game when it is known we need to run the ball and call the plays accordingly. Thus allowing our OL to fire out of their stance and block. The next time Cain picks up a blitz will be his first. Very good, young RB, glad we have him.....but the play calls for him are different from the others.

5. Briskar is a ticking time bomb when it comes to some kind of late hit or targeting call....I hold my breath every time I see him enter the picture.

6. have to call some specific routes and throws that go to Shorter and George.

in the end the team is 7-0....could easily be 4-3. It is one of the youngest teams we have seen at PSU as far as how many fr and so they play. The future looks very bright and I will take 7-0 #6 in the country to 4-3 and receiving votes any day of the week.
 
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I think we should try and get a rush this weekend with our front 4. Our blitz packages aren't getting it done and it is leaving little holes in our defense and the other qb no matter who it is is hitting those holes.

Id put YGM on the inside with windsor and let Toney and oweh try and get to the qb....leave or backers in coverage.
 
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I always like these posts no matter how many of them there are:
5. Briskar is a ticking time bomb when it comes to some kind of late hit or targeting call....I hold my breath every time I see him enter the picture.

6. have to call some specific routes and throws that go to Shorter and George.

in the end the team is 7-0....could easily be 4-3. It is one of the youngest teams we have seen at PSU as far as how many fr and so they play. The future looks very bright and I will take 7-0 #6 in the country to 4-3 and receiving votes any day of the week.

I love what I've seen from BriskEr so far. He's a big, athletic, physical Safety that is around the ball more often than not. And he only showed up on campus during the Summer so he's really doing a great job of learning the defense and earning playing time. He seems to be a fixture in the 3 Safety defense and doing a great job, and I'm betting he is a starting Safety for PSU in 2020 after Taylor is gone.

From what I see many of the best, aggressive defenders play with an edge that gets them close to late hit penalties and that is just part of playing a punishing defensive style that is necessary to field a top 5 defense and eventually get into the 4 team playoff. Remember that last year Parsons got called for some of those same type of plays, and I would like to see a couple more defenders with that same punishing mentality out on the field for PSU.........

Edit: No where above did I say you didn't like his play..... But I am saying that top tier defenses have many aggressive players on the field flying to the ball to regularly blow up plays and that sometimes that aggressiveness results in a late hit. But the benefits of aggressive, athletic, big play defenders outweighs the infrequent late hit calls or personal foul penalties that go with it....
 
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I love what I've seen from BriskEr so far. He's a big, athletic, physical Safety that is around the ball more often than not. And he only showed up on campus during the Summer so he's really doing a great job of learning the defense and earning playing time. He seems to be a fixture in the 3 Safety defense and doing a great job, and I'm betting he is a starting Safety for PSU in 2020 after Taylor is gone.

From what I see many of the best, aggressive defenders play with an edge that gets them close to late hit penalties and that is just part of playing a punishing defensive style that is necessary to field a top 5 defense and eventually get into the 4 team playoff. Remember that last year Parsons got called for some of those same type of plays, and I would like to see a couple more defenders with that same punishing mentality out on the field for PSU.........

I didnt say I didn't like his play....I said I hold my breath when I see him come flying in and think we should all prepare that one of these times he will land a hit that hurts the team.
 
Except for the 40ish yards you gain from the punt:confused:

It's not much different because either way it gasses the D which IMHO is what happened sat night and that is what allowed them to get back into the game. The offense needed to pound the ball and give the D a break...they couldn't..Clifford missing a wide freaking open Friermuth for a 1st down was a killer.
 
It's not much different because either way it gasses the D which IMHO is what happened sat night and that is what allowed them to get back into the game. The offense needed to pound the ball and give the D a break...they couldn't..Clifford missing a wide freaking open Friermuth for a 1st down was a killer.
With a 3 and out....the defense is gassed.

With a turnover .....
Huge momentum swing
Most likely a lot of yardage difference unless the turnover was a really long throw with no return.
The defense is gassed.

Sorry....the two are not close to the same impact.
 
LMFAO, I'm sure your demands as to what "you'd like" are at the top of the Staff's priorities. :rolleyes:

Well, in Loco's defense half the so-called experts here are demanding perfection of 18-22 year-old kids. Newsflash: they aren't even men yet. So LMFAO at you.

Look, I understand some of you are both emotionally and financially invested in the product but you need to get a grip. Other than that have a great day!
 
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I think we should try and get a rush this weekend with our front 4. Our blitz packages aren't getting it done and it is leaving little holes in our defense and the other qb no matter who it is is hitting those holes.

Id put YGM on the inside with windsor and let Toney and oweh try and get to the qb....leave or backers in coverage.

Good posts.

It's uncanny how as the game progressed our blitz packages backfired on us. Is it due to the Gattis factor; i.e., he being familiar with Pry? I don't know. All I know is on Michigan's 2nd TD Pry's blitz vacated an entire side of the freaking field save for one CB. I was almost glad they started hitting those short 'out' routes in order to make Pry back off.

Funny thing about this game, and everyone one here knows it. We were 2-3 plays away from blowing this thing out and demoralizing Meatchicken completely. Then that 'ruby scrum' TD would've been nothing more than a moral victory.
 
By the way did Bell drop the ball as a result of a hit by Wade? I am wishing this but I think it had nothing to do with Wade and just a pure drop by Bell.
I've read that he thinks he knocked it out. At first I thought no way, pure drop. Then after watching closely I think it's possible that after letting the ball go through his hands Bell was trying to gather it in against his chest and then Wade sticks his left hand in. Can't tell for sure if he stopped Bell from gathering the ball but it's possible.
 
Well, in Loco's defense half the so-called experts here are demanding perfection of 18-22 year-old kids. Newsflash: they aren't even men yet. So LMFAO at you.

Look, I understand some of you are both emotionally and financially invested in the product but you need to get a grip. Other than that have a great day!

No. Provided they go to class and give it their best effort, we do not hold 18-22 year-old kids to perfection.

We demand that from their highly paid adult coaches.

Give me their pay and I will take all of this board's criticism, and then some.
 
I've read that he thinks he knocked it out. At first I thought no way, pure drop. Then after watching closely I think it's possible that after letting the ball go through his hands Bell was trying to gather it in against his chest and then Wade sticks his left hand in. Can't tell for sure if he stopped Bell from gathering the ball but it's possible.
I think it was mostly a drop but Wade's presence disrupted any juggling or regathering. Bell knew Wade was there also and was worried about the contact. It was a big break for us and hopefully we have not run out of those.
 
Good posts.

It's uncanny how as the game progressed our blitz packages backfired on us. Is it due to the Gattis factor; i.e., he being familiar with Pry? I don't know. All I know is on Michigan's 2nd TD Pry's blitz vacated an entire side of the freaking field save for one CB. I was almost glad they started hitting those short 'out' routes in order to make Pry back off.

Funny thing about this game, and everyone one here knows it. We were 2-3 plays away from blowing this thing out and demoralizing Meatchicken completely. Then that 'ruby scrum' TD would've been nothing more than a moral victory.
Yeah. Those blitz packages were totally ineffective. I am no x and o expert but you would think we could get home with the blitz on occasion or at least get some pressure. How was scUM able to block our blitzers? What did they do? Was it their back and their TE helping or the O line just is stout? As it was and what you point out, it was the worst scenario, no pressure and then leaving holes in our back 7 D. I hope Sparty isn't able to cook something up like this to thwart us. And yes if we are not getting home with a blitz then don't do it and make Lewerke beat you with a good read and pass.
 
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