My take from the OSU is they were gassed before they hit the mat. Not completely, but they were hitting the wall too early. Curious if Ryan had them too fired up? McKenna has been dominating this year. Yet, he could hardly move at the end. Same with Jordon. If you watch the teams warm up before the match, PSU is always relaxed. Goofing around actually. I'm beginning to think this is the right strategy. Nerves are a big part of any match. Ohio State seemed like they didn't have theirs under control.
Ohio State too Hyped?
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Even Tom looked very nervous pre match!
1. Tanning bed malfunction.
2. Nickal stole their pin chain.
3. Robes were lost by the dry cleaner.
4. Negative infinity.
2. Nickal stole their pin chain.
3. Robes were lost by the dry cleaner.
4. Negative infinity.
Watch/Listen to Tom's long long pep talk before they got on the bus to head for PSU. A lot of your questions will be answered.
I agree and I believe Chickenman Testa made a prediction along those same lines prior to Friday. Kudos to him.
Tan Tom only had them prepared to get to 18 points.
1. To bad we scored more.
2. Wonder if Tom took the 1st flight to aruba?
1. To bad we scored more.
2. Wonder if Tom took the 1st flight to aruba?
I feel an opportunity was lost for the joke of the year.
In reply, Penn State should have donned robes that were some putrid green color with some ugly logo....that were too small. Perhaps Blaisealexander.com on the back.
Maybe that’s staying too loose.
In reply, Penn State should have donned robes that were some putrid green color with some ugly logo....that were too small. Perhaps Blaisealexander.com on the back.
Maybe that’s staying too loose.
5. With Kyle gone they weren't bringing hell with them.
6. They read all the nervous concern on BWI, and came in overconfident.
All hail the gray-haired lady everyone asks about on the bench. #plan
Too hyped? Hard to say. On the one hand, they very well could've won at 133 and 141 making it closer. On the other hand, Jerod nearly took out M. Jordan and we didn't have Shak go, so the matches could've gone 9-1 and been even more of a trip to the woodshed for Tan Tom.
Too hyped? I'll use this standard: Ohio State is often mentioned in the same sentence as we are. So yes; yes they are.
I believe the OP meant to hyped up (lacked up) for the match, but your final point is also true.
Speaking of that...is it even a thing anymore? I might not be paying attention that closely, but the only time i see it, or hear of it was pictures of Capt America....from ...last...year.
losing 133 and 141 took the wind out of their sails.
RBY wrestled a very smart match..
Nick did what Nick does--he just keeps coming after you.
Mckenna was obviously not ready to return after 2 weeks off--that falls in Tan tom lap.
RBY wrestled a very smart match..
Nick did what Nick does--he just keeps coming after you.
Mckenna was obviously not ready to return after 2 weeks off--that falls in Tan tom lap.
I'm sure some nervous energy played a part, but IMO I thinking they are cutting too much weight and it is effecting their stamina in the third. McKenna looked huge for 141. He should be up at 149 competing against Ashnault instead of making the hard cut down to 141. At least AA had the good sense to move up a weight class in a post Zain World. OSU wanted to accommodate Jordan at his chosen weight in their lineup as well. Its pretty clear why 157 wasn't that choice.
In McKenna's case, I believe he was returning from an injury, which may have impacted his training and gas tank. (Not to take away anything from Nick, who wrestled an inspired match.) McKenna's effort reminded me a little of Rasheed's match against Embree -- something was a little off.
My take on Jordan: he thought he could major Verk and expended a lot of effort in the beginning of the match. When it became clear that wasn't going to happen, he let down mentally and physically. To his credit, Verk (almost) took advantage of the opportunity.
Maybe. It's an interesting take. PSU looked sluggish a couple weeks ago, surely related to the team's training at the time. Could be the same for the Buckeyes.
Maybe the guys are crocheting toaster cozies on the way over
I agree. Flo had a piece last year where they followed Ohio State out to introductions at Rec Hall and Tom Ryan was yelling something like “This is what you wanted, this is what you wanted. What are you going to do with it?” Contrast that with Cael’s always calm composure. He’s the proverbial Zen Master.
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Other than McKenna, who really gassed more than usual though? Hayes?, he seems to always fade when pushed for more than 5 minutes. Same with Campbell. Moore, well, we never really got a chance to gauge his gas tank. Lol. I think PSU is just better conditioned overall, not to mention better at wrestling.
Funny how many opponents gas against PSU. It's as if our guys push pace hard until the final whistle, and force opponents to expend more energy.
did you see the dude with long hair and huge beard sitting to Cael's right. Pretty sure an OSU fan, but wondering who that dude may have been. Looked very unkempt, like worse than Matt Patricia unkempt
I had the same thought too. But, as much as tOSU wants to overtake PSU, it would seem a bit strange that they would hyper-train prior to the PSU dual. But, who knows?
I'm not sure that Cael would like to be compared to a Zen master.
No freaking way.
Monkeys will fly out of Ryan’s butt before he starts “training through” the PSU dual.
To name two - Ethan Smith and Chase Singletary imo. McKenna took home the trophy though. Nick broke him at the end.
I could not figure out why all the people on this board thought that OSU would beat us. OSU loses to Michigan and we beat the pretty good.
I gotta agree. In Columbus, after what happened last year, and a "probable" 5-5 split in the bouts? Ryan flat out said that he would have never predicted that result. I think he wanted this one bad. He was gracious and complimentary after the dual though, which I give him props for.
We don't have much of a history on Smith, especially while wrestling a National Champion this early in his career. And Singletary, well, not too many Frosh heavies can withstand that kind of horsepower and attack rate. But yeah, McKenna definitely hit the wall.
Yes it was possible but it was suicide. Dumb move if you want to beat PSU.
I apparently disagree with almost everybody about McKenna. I think McKenna looked like McKenna, he was prepared and he wrestled a good match for 6.5 minutes. Did he tank after Nick's final takedown? Yeah, but that likely would have happened 2 weeks ago too. Nick Lee has a deep, deep tank and even well-conditioned wrestlers can shut down when something like that happens. Even had McKenna continued to fight for those final 20 or 25 seconds, it's my belief that Lee keeps control and wins the bout. Don't take anything away from Nick Lee and don't give McKenna more credit than he deserves (or an excuse). I suspect McKenna and Lee will wrestle at least one more time this year and I expect a similar outcome again.....
The 2 weeks off for injury didn't seem to bother RBY too much.
To be fair, Lee is probably the last person you wanna see when your lungs aren't there. There's pace, then there's Nick pace. He's already a bad matchup for McKenna to begin with (I think McKenna likes to be the aggressor but he can't be that guy against Lee).
People like to talk about being prepared for 7 minutes but there's just no way to simulate that in practice.
Or as Coach Ryan said,referring to Lee.."when you wrestle someone who makes you fight for every morsel".
There is a way to simulate that in practice.
(No Bucks reading this thread, right?)
Wrestle full matches in practice and trade practice partners after every period. (Optional: no top wrestling for the target, only feet and bottom.)
It's hell physically and mentally, and you can't do it all the time, but it does work.
We'll just agree to disagree. I just don't think the mental and physical grind of the spotlight can be simulated in practice. It's just not the same IMO. But I respect yours as well!
Sure. Anything is possible.
It’s possible I could walk into the room tomorrow & beat David Taylor with one arm tied behind my back.
Maybe.
Maybe not.
Not likely, but possible.
You always take the PC stance, and that’s fine.
But (1) using a moderate amount of deduction, your stance here is obviously incorrect and (2) your theory of tOSU being tired takes away from the effort + performance of the PSU wrestlers.
You don’t have to fight every PC argument. You can sit out a PC argument once in awhile.
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