OK ST @ Iowa - Feb 23

[jack66]

(Mod note - several posts below were moved out of the CK thread as this topic deserves it's own thread)


You have to be impressed with OkSt. The Cowboys ran away from a field that included most teams contending for second place this year.

Hawk fans were fearful that DT's boys would pass them in a few years, but that outcome could happen as soon as March 2025.

 

[Pennstate1985]

You have to be impressed with OkSt. The Cowboys ran away from a field that included most teams contending for second place this year.

Hawk fans were fearful that DT's boys would pass them in a few years, but that outcome could happen as soon as March 2025.

I still think Iowa has the horses this year, but I don't think they sniff 2nd for awhile after March 2025, even if Bob opens both of his pockets of money. DT is recruiting very well so far.

 

[Nitlion1986]

I still think Iowa has the horses this year, but I don't think they sniff 2nd for awhile after March 2025, even if Bob opens both of his pockets of money. DT is recruiting very well so far.

If they finish second this year that would be a huge accomplishment. Not because it would be a huge upset considering the outside talent they have rented. They could have four outsiders who should score substantial points for the Hawks and 2 maybe 3 of their own who should contribute.

In the 11 times Cael's PSU have finished first Iowa was second once. As well as Penn State there is almost always someone else who also finishes ahead of Iowa. OkieSt is the probable team to do that this year.

 

[Pennstate1985]

If they finish second this year that would be a huge accomplishment. Not because it would be a huge upset considering the outside talent they have rented. They could have four outsiders who should score substantial points for the Hawks and 2 maybe 3 of their own who should contribute.

In the 11 times Cael's PSU have finished first Iowa was second once. As well as Penn State there is almost always someone else who also finishes ahead of Iowa. OkieSt is the probable team to do that this year.

Willie has Iowa at 7AAs and 114 points, while he has OSU at 74 points and 4AAs.

I think he has overstated Iowa strength and understated OSU to a degree. I have the following

Iowa AAs: Ayala, Parco, Caliendo, Buchanan, Keuter. I might be able to see Arnold getting there but it depends on the draw. Not feeling Brands. Only two can't miss AAs in Buchanan and Parco.
Iowa points: 100

OSU AAs: Spratley, Hamiti, Plott, Hendrickson, and one of Surber, Amine, and Fish. I'd say Surber based on weight class quality.
OSU points: 90

To me, these two teams are much closer than Willie predicts. I can see them both getting 5 AAs, but if either team gets 6AAs, it would likely be Iowa.

 

[Pennstate1985]

You are going to tell us you visited the Japanese national wrestling training site and even the Japanese wrestlers hate the Iowa "wrestle for the stall call" style. Aren't you?

I think they have a sign in their wrestling room that says, "Bob Nicholls' wallet was here".

 

[wrestlingfan22]

Willie has Iowa at 7AAs and 114 points, while he has OSU at 74 points and 4AAs.

I think he has overstated Iowa strength and understated OSU to a degree. I have the following

Iowa AAs: Ayala, Parco, Caliendo, Buchanan, Keuter. I might be able to see Arnold getting there but it depends on the draw. Not feeling Brands. Only two can't miss AAs in Buchanan and Parco.
Iowa points: 100

OSU AAs: Spratley, Hamiti, Plott, Hendrickson, and one of Surber, Amine, and Fish. I'd say Surber based on weight class quality.
OSU points: 90

To me, these two teams are much closer than Willie predicts. I can see them both getting 5 AAs, but if either team gets 6AAs, it would likely be Iowa.

If Teemer is back that is a big boost for Iowa.

 

[Rocky_Smith]

Iowa AAs: Ayala, Parco, Caliendo, Buchanan, Keuter. I might be able to see Arnold getting there but it depends on the draw. Not feeling Brands. Only two can't miss AAs in Buchanan and Parco.
Iowa points: 100

As wrestlingfan22 says, Teemer will be a high AA. I can’t imagine he won’t be back.

Arnold won’t AA, but Kennedy has looked good. Kennedy has a great shot at AA after beating out Brands.

If all true, Iowa is well over 100. But they aren’t deep and are at risk of injury, (see for example Teemer).

 

[jack66]

With Teamer in the lineup, I see a dual going 5-5. The Cowboys favored at 125, 141, 174, 184 and 285. Without Teamer, Okie St would be favored 6-4.

 

[Pennstate1985]

Yeah, I forgot about Teemer honestly. When is he due back? By the Iowa vs PSU match?

 

[Pennstate1985]

With Teamer in the lineup, I see a dual going 5-5. The Cowboys favored at 125, 141, 174, 184 and 285. Without Teamer, Okie St would be favored 6-4.

It's crazy to me that they scheduled their dual meet on 2/23. That's late in the season.

 

[El-Jefe]

It's crazy to me that they scheduled their dual meet on 2/23. That's late in the season.

IIRC it's always been the last dual of the year for both teams, or at least in mid Feb. Except for the one year they wrestled in Iowa's football stadium, and during Covid.

Good. I hope both teams continue to respect that tradition and never learn how Cael's scheduling prepares the team for the postseason.

 

[Nitlion1986]

Willie has Iowa at 7AAs and 114 points, while he has OSU at 74 points and 4AAs.

I think he has overstated Iowa strength and understated OSU to a degree. I have the following

Iowa AAs: Ayala, Parco, Caliendo, Buchanan, Keuter. I might be able to see Arnold getting there but it depends on the draw. Not feeling Brands. Only two can't miss AAs in Buchanan and Parco.
Iowa points: 100

OSU AAs: Spratley, Hamiti, Plott, Hendrickson, and one of Surber, Amine, and Fish. I'd say Surber based on weight class quality.
OSU points: 90

To me, these two teams are much closer than Willie predicts. I can see them both getting 5 AAs, but if either team gets 6AAs, it would likely be Iowa.

I agree with you. They (OSU and Iowa) are much closer than 40 points. I can't see Iowa scoring 100 and history says they finish 3rd or worse.

 

[zzs006]

Jamison can AA as well. He just beat Hardy fairly handily which is a good win. I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t AA either but he’s definitely capable

 

[dicemen99]

Willie has Iowa at 7AAs and 114 points, while he has OSU at 74 points and 4AAs.

I think he has overstated Iowa strength and understated OSU to a degree. I have the following

Iowa AAs: Ayala, Parco, Caliendo, Buchanan, Keuter. I might be able to see Arnold getting there but it depends on the draw. Not feeling Brands. Only two can't miss AAs in Buchanan and Parco.
Iowa points: 100

OSU AAs: Spratley, Hamiti, Plott, Hendrickson, and one of Surber, Amine, and Fish. I'd say Surber based on weight class quality.
OSU points: 90

To me, these two teams are much closer than Willie predicts. I can see them both getting 5 AAs, but if either team gets 6AAs, it would likely be Iowa.

Iowa is not scoring 100 points. I'd be willing to bet serious money on that.

People always over estimate how many points the top teams are going to get. It's a big country and there are lots of potholes that show up at nationals.

We're the only team that you can count on scoring what is expected. That has been proven over and over in recent years.

 

[amattaro]

Willie has Iowa at 7AAs and 114 points

He’s talking either total match points for the weekend or using dual meet scoring.

 

[PSUwrestling]

If they finish second this year that would be a huge accomplishment. Not because it would be a huge upset considering the outside talent they have rented. They could have four outsiders who should score substantial points for the Hawks and 2 maybe 3 of their own who should contribute.

In the 11 times Cael's PSU have finished first Iowa was second once. As well as Penn State there is almost always someone else who also finishes ahead of Iowa. OkieSt is the probable team to do that this year.

Niether Iowa or Okie St will do better than their seeds in March. If you combine the teams they have a handful of real gamers but combined they don't have one MM-Levi-C-Star-or Kerk. And I would take an LL or a SVN over anything either team has. Of the two my money is on Okie St this year and in the years to come. The question is can we beat Okie St and Iowa's combined score in March?

 

[GogglesPaizano]

It's crazy to me that they scheduled their dual meet on 2/23. That's late in the season.

"Peaking is a state of mind" - Tom Brands

 

[Pennstate1985]

"Peaking is a state of mind" - Tom Brands

Peking is a type of duck - AJ Ferrari

 

[Nitlion1986]

Peking is a type of duck - AJ Ferrari

No way in the world he knows that.

 

[amattaro]

No way in the world he knows that.

Peeking is what you do in a girls locker room - AJ Ferrari

 

[Cstroke]

No way in the world he knows that.

You might be surprised at what Mr. Mensa knows about ducks and ducking.

 

[District four]

Iowa is not scoring 100 points. I'd be willing to bet serious money on that.

People always over estimate how many points the top teams are going to get. It's a big country and there are lots of potholes that show up at nationals.

We're the only team that you can count on scoring what is expected. That has been proven over and over in recent years.

 

[PSUbluTX]

Peking is a type of duck - AJ Ferrari

“A duck is something legends like me do to protect a seed.”
—AJF