OSU Just Beat Maryland...

[lazydave841]

By 20 points, but:

Ohio State squeaked out a win against Maryland, but Ryan Day should be on the hot seat

The Buckeye head coach’s obsession with toughness is going to cost his team big time.

www.landgrantholyland.com

You would think that the wheels fell off reading this. We'd probably love to trade '17-'22 with them, but even that isn't enough. I'm sure some will come here and proclaim "well it's right", but it just goes to show that outside of perfection nobody is ever happy.

 

[LandoComando]

I think this points to the goal is to win a title and right now if you're an Ohio State fan you have concerns about your ability to do so.

 

[bcspsu]

By 20 points, but:

Ohio State squeaked out a win against Maryland, but Ryan Day should be on the hot seat

The Buckeye head coach’s obsession with toughness is going to cost his team big time.

www.landgrantholyland.com

You would think that the wheels fell off reading this. We'd probably love to trade '17-'22 with them, but even that isn't enough. I'm sure some will come here and proclaim "well it's right", but it just goes to show that outside of perfection nobody is ever happy.

Wait until they go through a relative "down" cycle, which every program does, like USC did after the Pete Carroll era, Michigan did after the Lloyd Carr era, Texas did after the Mack Brown era, and FSU did after the Bowden/Fisher era. It will happen to Bama soon too.

 

[lazydave841]

I think this points to the goal is to win a title and right now if you're an Ohio State fan you have concerns about your ability to do so.

Understood.

Right now, who doesn't have concerns? UGA struggled with Auburn and pulled it out late. Yes, they throttled Kentucky, but Kentucky is the SEC equivalent of Iowa without actually ever upsetting a top tier team in their recent history under Stoops. Kentucky probably loses to Auburn and has benefit greatly from the 8 game SEC schedule with a fixed West opponent (Miss St).

Michigan probably has the least warts of anybody, but they are clearly not running the ball as strong as last year and won't play anybody of note until November.

Heck, I guess Oklahoma might jump into the conversation now, but how much credit can they be given for winning a universally maligned Big 12?

I think this is the fun of CFB. Enjoyable discussion.

 

[LandoComando]

Understood.

Right now, who doesn't have concerns? UGA struggled with Auburn and pulled it out late. Yes, they throttled Kentucky, but Kentucky is the SEC equivalent of Iowa without actually ever upsetting a top tier team in their recent history under Stoops. Kentucky probably loses to Auburn and has benefit greatly from the 8 game SEC schedule with a fixed West opponent (Miss St).

Michigan probably has the least warts of anybody, but they are clearly not running the ball as strong as last year and won't play anybody of note until November.

Heck, I guess Oklahoma might jump into the conversation now, but how much credit can they be given for winning a universally maligned Big 12?

I think this is the fun of CFB. Enjoyable discussion.

Agreed with all of this. Georgia fans are probably feeling better after last week but I agree with your assessment. This year as the most parity in a long time at the top. Probably legitimately a dozen teams that could make a run

 

[OaktonDave]

By 20 points, but:

Ohio State squeaked out a win against Maryland, but Ryan Day should be on the hot seat

The Buckeye head coach’s obsession with toughness is going to cost his team big time.

www.landgrantholyland.com

You would think that the wheels fell off reading this. We'd probably love to trade '17-'22 with them, but even that isn't enough. I'm sure some will come here and proclaim "well it's right", but it just goes to show that outside of perfection nobody is ever happy.

Everybody is convinced that the net guy will be the answer until he isn't and they fire him to chase the next shiny ball. Alabama's history between Bear and Saban was ugly. Stallings won and still got run off. Nebraska got sick of Bo Pelini only winning 9 or 10 games and haven't broken .500 since. Texas has been playing the game since Darrell Royal retired in 1976. It wouldn't upset me if tOSU goes on a quest for the next Urbs and refuses to accept anything less.

 

[ryoder1]

If OSU beats us they will shut up about Day until he gets boatraced in AA.

 

[bcspsu]

If OSU beats us they will shut up about Day until he gets boatraced in AA.

He appears to be a bit unhinged this season because he probably knows deep in his heart that he's going to lose for the third consecutive time to Michigan this season.

 

[LandoComando]

He appears to be a bit unhinged this season because he probably knows deep in his heart that he's going to lose for the third consecutive time to Michigan this season.

There's no doubt he's feeling the pressure and it's getting the best of him. Hopefully we beat them. Watching him go into full meltdown mode after the game would just make it that much better.

Although I do worry if they fire him they'll get a better coach

 

[lazydave841]

Ohio State Football: OSU run game is officially concerning

The Ohio State football team beat Maryland 37-17 yesterday afternoon in Ohio Stadium. The lack of a run game is officially concerning. The Ohio State footb...

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You can replace OSU with PSU in this article and it's generally the same. Kind of crazy really.

 

[northernbuck]

There's no doubt he's feeling the pressure and it's getting the best of him. Hopefully we beat them. Watching him go into full meltdown mode after the game would just make it that much better.

Although I do worry if they fire him they'll get a better coach

Day is fine, OSU is not getting a 'better" coach any time soon. That said I think both OSU and PSU have a shot against UM. OSU because the defense is much improved this year. It sucked last year.

 

[OaktonDave]

Day is fine, OSU is not getting a 'better" coach any time soon. That said I think both OSU and PSU have a shot against UM. OSU because the defense is much improved this year. It sucked last year.

The search for the "better coach" is often a lot like the big foot hunting shows - lots of effort, lots of possible evidence, and lots of confidence, but no actual big foot.

 

[northernbuck]

The search for the "better coach" is often a lot like the big foot hunting shows - lots effort, lots of possible evidence, and lots of confidence, but no actual big foot.

Bigfoot shows all have 1 thing in common. Lots of BS.

 

[LandoComando]

Day is fine, OSU is not getting a 'better" coach any time soon. That said I think both OSU and PSU have a shot against UM. OSU because the defense is much improved this year. It sucked last year.

His demeanor and comments following ND weren't something a coach who doesn't feel hid seat it hot would make.

Day's a good coach but if they move on they have basically their pick of coaches. It's a top 3 job in the country.

 

[africamurphy]

I think the ideal for us is that we can beat OSU in the Shoe (a home debacle for him) and then he loses his third straight to Michigan. I think there'd be serious pressure for Gene Smith to fire him and hire someone new before he retires. If the new guy works out, the next AD can enjoy the fruits of Smith's decision. If not, the next AD can fire him in 2 years and pick his own guy. But it could really spiral into a downturn for the Bucks...

OSU is that crazy that they'd fire a 10-2 coach.

 

[lazydave841]

Who could OSU hire that would be better than Day currently? You can't get Saban and he's probably on his way out soon. Smart isn't leaving UGA. Riley was Day before Day became Day (OC on a successful team who replaced a coach with a title). Harbaugh sure as hell isn't swapping jobs and he has zero title success.

Who else? It's all a gamble. There is no home run out there. There never is.

 

[northernbuck]

I think the ideal for us is that we can beat OSU in the Shoe (a home debacle for him) and then he loses his third straight to Michigan. I think there'd be serious pressure for Gene Smith to fire him and hire someone new before he retires. If the new guy works out, the next AD can enjoy the fruits of Smith's decision. If not, the next AD can fire him in 2 years and pick his own guy. But it could really spiral into a downturn for the Bucks...

OSU is that crazy that they'd fire a 10-2 coach.

Day has 2 more years to get a win against UM. A big thing that you are forgetting is the fact that Day has kept his program largely free of scandal. That is huge in the eyes of any college AD.

 

[LandoComando]

Who could OSU hire that would be better than Day currently? You can't get Saban and he's probably on his way out soon. Smart isn't leaving UGA. Riley was Day before Day became Day (OC on a successful team who replaced a coach with a title). Harbaugh sure as hell isn't swapping jobs and he has zero title success.

Who else? It's all a gamble. There is no home run out there. There never is.

True there's risk. There's also risk in keeping a guy that isn't winning titles. But they'd have their choice basically. That's a good spot to be in

 

[LandoComando]

Day has 2 more years to get a win against UM. A big thing that you are forgetting is the fact that Day has kept his program largely free of scandal. That is huge in the eyes of any college AD.

Ehhh...do you think Michigan cares about Harbaugh's suspension?

 

[northernbuck]

Ehhh...do you think Michigan cares about Harbaugh's suspension?

The last 2 OSU coaches did not leave because of a lack of success. Each won a NC.

 

[lazydave841]

True there's risk. There's also risk in keeping a guy that isn't winning titles. But they'd have their choice basically. That's a good spot to be in

What choices? I can't think of anybody worth going to. I wouldn't have hired Day myself if I had it to do over. He's kept the machine at status quo. If anything, he fixed a lot of what was wrong with Meyer's run post '14 (scandals, losing one head scratcher per year) and truly neither of them have had a bad run. They just haven't won all the titles.

 

[LandoComando]

The last 2 OSU coaches did not leave because of a lack of success. Each won a NC.

That's true but that still should be expected not rewarded

 

[LandoComando]

What choices? I can't think of anybody worth going to. I wouldn't have hired Day myself if I had it to do over. He's kept the machine at status quo. If anything, he fixed a lot of what was wrong with Meyer's run post '14 (scandals, losing one head scratcher per year) and truly neither of them have had a bad run. They just haven't won all the titles.

Dabo Swinney? Lance Leipold? Dan Lenning? Josh Heupel?
I mean--there's no guarantee they'd win more but they have their pick of whatever coach they'd want for the most part.
Maybe they bring Urban back? lol

 

[JR4PSU]

His demeanor and comments following ND weren't something a coach who doesn't feel hid seat it hot would make.

Day's a good coach but if they move on they have basically their pick of coaches. It's a top 3 job in the country.

Yeah, but who is that top 3 coach to go with that top 3 job? That's the rub. You really don't know how someone is going to do in the new environment until they are in that new environment. It's also hard to project future success at the head coach position based on success at the coordinator position. It's a bit of a crap shoot. There are no guarantees you get a top 3 coach for that top 3 job.

 

[LandoComando]

Yeah, but who is that top 3 coach to go with that top 3 job? That's the rub. You really don't know how someone is going to do in the new environment until they are in that new environment. It's also hard to project future success at the head coach position based on success at the coordinator position. It's a bit of a crap shoot. There are no guarantees you get a top 3 coach for that top 3 job.

That's all true. There's absolute risk in making the move.
Nebraska's the perfect example of how things can go wrong
Georgia's the perfect example of how things can go right

 

[northernbuck]

That's all true. There's absolute risk in making the move.
Nebraska's the perfect example of how things can go wrong
Georgia's the perfect example of how things can go right

OSU would be crazy to get rid of Day. People don't seem to realize how hard it is to beat the top teams. GA, Alabama etc. and now UM.

 

[Jerry]

Who could OSU hire that would be better than Day currently? You can't get Saban and he's probably on his way out soon. Smart isn't leaving UGA. Riley was Day before Day became Day (OC on a successful team who replaced a coach with a title). Harbaugh sure as hell isn't swapping jobs and he has zero title success.

Who else? It's all a gamble. There is no home run out there. There never is.

Jeff Brohm appears to be the Flavor of the Month. They might make a play for him.

But it's an academic question because Ryan Day is not on the hot seat and won't be unless his team were to totally collapse, which isn't going to happen. In fact, losses to Penn State and Michigan would not get Day fired. The people running things at OSU aren't that dumb.

Now Marcus Freeman, on the other hand: different story. Classic example of a guy who was thrust into a high-profile job for which neither experience nor credentials prepared him.

The people running things at Notre Dame are indeed that dumb. They promoted Freeman due to media buzz and his popularity with the players. Never let the latter factor enter into the equation of picking a coach.

 

[LandoComando]

OSU would be crazy to get rid of Day. People don't seem to realize how hard it is to beat the top teams. GA, Alabama etc. and now UM.

I think people realize that but I don't think Ohio State will be as patient as you believe. I could be wrong--time will tell. Whether or not his seat is truly hot (or warm) I think he's feeling pressure.

And I guess my question for you is are you okay being second to Michigan? With Oregon Washington and USC joining the conference and Penn State improving is there risk of dropping to 3rd, 4th, 5th or 6th?

 

[ryoder1]

He appears to be a bit unhinged this season because he probably knows deep in his heart that he's going to lose for the third consecutive time to Michigan this season.

Yeah there seems to be a bit of circling the drain going on with him. Kind of a modern day Larry Coker without a natty. His best days could be behind him and he will be Bama's OC in 2025. The one caveat to that is he seemingly recruits lights out so the talent pipeline is there unlike Coker who I think just succeeded with the previous coach's players then when that dried up he was lost. With Day, recruiting guru or not, if he can't beat the team up north he gone.

 

[ryoder1]

I think people realize that but I don't think Ohio State will be as patient as you believe. I could be wrong--time will tell. Whether or not his seat is truly hot (or warm) I think he's feeling pressure.

And I guess my question for you is are you okay being second to Michigan? With Oregon Washington and USC joining the conference and Penn State improving is there risk of dropping to 3rd, 4th, 5th or 6th?

4 straight losses to scUM, I think he gone (and not by his choice).

 

[JWB389]

I’ll say it first….Franklin to OSU.

 

[LandoComando]

I’ll say it first….Franklin to OSU.

They'd want someone who could beat Michigan so maybe if we beat them this year

 

[rrdd2021]

That's all true. There's absolute risk in making the move.
Nebraska's the perfect example of how things can go wrong
Georgia's the perfect example of how things can go right

Nebraska is fool's gold as they have NO decent HS football within a 500 mile radius. The population of the whole state is only 1.9 million.