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OT: Clint Hurdle

The thing that happened in between was Garrett repeatedly calling Josh Bell a POS. That’s when Williams started chirping. Again if Garrett doesn’t get tortured by Osuna, the whole thing was over. Kela was the main offender, but Hughes took care of it. Garrett got his feelings hurt and reignited it.
This is exactly why the Reds in general and David Bell and Garrett in particular - are lunatics. What the hell did Josh Bell ever do to them that he's a POS? Bell is the most non-controversial guy in the National League.

If Garrett had rabbit ears before, he's really going to have a hard time after this.
 
I'm fine with Hurdle, because why waste a 95 win Manager (not Hurdle), on 75 win talent. If they start getting/retaining big-time players then I'm all for a Manager upgrade.
One thing lost in all of this is that Marte got a ball up high by his head also. It looked similar to the pitch Dietrich got up high. What's the difference? One could argue Marte is the more valuable player, and I don't think there's any argument Diethrich vs Marte on the douchebaggery meter. No contest.
David Bell - Whiny little bitch describes him perfectly.
Votto - He tries to come off as Mr. good guy, but has had his moments. Own being a dickhead, at least you'll be respected. His game is turning into a bad Wade Boggs impersonation which calls for a lower profile.
Pirates vs Reds - This ain't the 70s. Stick to baseball. That's plenty to focus on for both teams.
Overall silliness. Next baseball player I see who could fight will be the first.
 
I'm fine with Hurdle, because why waste a 95 win Manager (not Hurdle), on 75 win talent. If they start getting/retaining big-time players then I'm all for a Manager upgrade.
One thing lost in all of this is that Marte got a ball up high by his head also. It looked similar to the pitch Dietrich got up high. What's the difference? One could argue Marte is the more valuable player, and I don't think there's any argument Diethrich vs Marte on the douchebaggery meter. No contest.
David Bell - Whiny little bitch describes him perfectly.
Votto - He tries to come off as Mr. good guy, but has had his moments. Own being a dickhead, at least you'll be respected. His game is turning into a bad Wade Boggs impersonation which calls for a lower profile.
Pirates vs Reds - This ain't the 70s. Stick to baseball. That's plenty to focus on for both teams.
Overall silliness. Next baseball player I see who could fight will be the first.

Votto is a fun dude to follow on what have been some absolutely unbearable Reds teams. I don’t know that he really tries to come off as anything. Seems pretty true to who he is.
Overall, every team has its share of good guys and it’s share of douchebags. How you feel about them personally usually has more to do with the uniform they are wearing then their particular style. As a Reds fan, I don’t really have any issue with a Pirates pitcher throwing at Dietrich. He begs opponents to do that with his style (which for the last two months has meant not hitting the ball anywhere with any authority at all). Throwing at his head is an entirely different level.
 
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Agree on Votto. I like how he constantly BS's with runners on 1B. Seems like an OK guy.
 
MLB should take both these teams, ship their sorry collection of Triple-A talent to some little league field in the middle of Kentucky, and let them play each other 162 times every summer. Nobody would miss them.
 
MLB should take both these teams, ship their sorry collection of Triple-A talent to some little league field in the middle of Kentucky, and let them play each other 162 times every summer. Nobody would miss them.

I would love that! Preferably, my back yard!
 
Kela started it (most likely on his own given his reputation) and should have been tossed. It was over when Hughes hit Marte in the ass. If Garrett doesn’t give up a 3 run bomb and instead gets Osuna out, he goes back to the dugout and the whole melee never happens. I have never seen a guy sprint on his own to the other team’s dugout. He must be really courageous (stupid). And David Bell is a whiny little incompetent bitch.
Crazy brawl in Reds @ Pirates tonight.

5 years of the Pirates leading MLB in hits batsman. I enjoyed seeing the Reds not put up with Hurdle's crap tonight, I enjoyed Amir Garrett not putting up with the Pirates trash-talking nonsense, and I enjoyed the already-ejected David Bell coming back out on the field to try to maim Hurdle.

NOBODY in MLB likes Hurdle. I honestly don't know how Pirates fans can defend him.

The Pirates are also usually among the league leaders in getting hit; and do you know what they do when they get hit? They take their damn base. The Reds threw a ball up around Marte's head in the 6th inning and nobody from the Pirates said a word. What did you think when Aroldis Chapman was constantly buzzing Andrew McCuthen's tower almost every time the Pirates and Reds played when Dusty Baker was managing the Reds? You were probably defending it. Chris Archer didn't even hit Dietrich when he threw the ball behind his ass in the game that got all this started. The Pirates work the inside part of the plate; so they do hit a lot of guys. They have never shied away from the fact they do throw inside; but they are not head hunters.
 
The Pirates are also usually among the league leaders in getting hit; and do you know what they do when they get hit? They take their damn base. The Reds threw a ball up around Marte's head in the 6th inning and nobody from the Pirates said a word. What did you think when Aroldis Chapman was constantly buzzing Andrew McCutchen's tower almost every time the Pirates and Reds played when Dusty Baker was managing the Reds? You were probably defending it. Chris Archer didn't even hit Dietrich when he threw the ball behind his ass in the game that got all this started. The Pirates work the inside part of the plate; so they do hit a lot of guys. They have never shied away from the fact they do throw inside; but they are not head hunters.
Upon reading this thread I recalled all the times Cutch was hit by the Reds in particular, seemingly once each game and often multiple times. I watched several games in that era and always wondered why the Pirates didn't retaliate? I did not see a Reds player consistently dusted off much less hit.

Fast forward to today, the brouhaha of last evening. Craziness all around. I'm no Clint Hurdle fan and often, in the past, shouted at the TV screen over his perceived incompetence while my wife wondered, out loud, what the current disaster happened to be. Yet, Mr. Bell exceeds Hurdle. Bell is a can of gasoline actively looking for a match. His demeanor appears to incite his proteges which brings us entertainment as we all witnessed. It's funny in a manner but it is really, really stupid. Yet it has a root and that root is a rivalry, feud and/or disgust for each other that these two teams, long time rivals, have developed to a fine edge that is crossed too easily.

I'll admit I'm a casual, long time Pirate fan but don't allow the sun to rise or set on their performance. I don't become entrenched in discussions about them but for an irregular, odd instance such as yesterday. That said, I do remember a long term history of brewing animosity between the two teams, managerial to player level feud.

MLB has to sort it out. Most of what happened does, at times, happen elsewhere. Bell's sprint from the dog house (after his league leading eights ejection this season) to engage Hurdle (hardly a formidable adversary for a fist fight) was beyond the pale for me. He should be summoned to MLB HQ, have his fingers slapped and then sit out for a long time and empty his cash account into MLB charities at a high level. That was inexcusable as was the Kela pitch, while quite a bit over the head of the Reds batter, still out of line and certainly fanned the flames of the near riot.

The teams will only escalate this as we witnessed. The league will have to step in and fix this in a draconian manner most likely due to the videos making the circuit on today's sports shows fanning the embers. I was surprised at the civility apparently covering today's game. The Reds starter kept this game in check, quite a performance too!

Thank goodness college football is only weeks away and as I type, August is only 30 mins. away. Bring it on.
 
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It’s been posted before, but always worth another look. Freakin’ hilarious...

NSFW!!!!

Tommy Lasorda was a dickhead for sure ~ old school, successful manager, but definitely a little prick. He played 2 years in the majors as a pitcher and had a lifetime 0-4 record, with a 6.48 era. Kurt Bevacqua would have torn him to pieces had he leveled him with a pitch as he claimed he would have. Kurt was 6’1”, 185 lean and mean, while Tommy was a big talking, hot headed, pot bellied, 5’10” jackass who had little business ever playing in the major leagues. Nuff said about a completely different era in MLB.
 
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Tommy Lasorda was a dickhead for sure ~ old school, successful manager, but definitely a little prick. He played 2 years in the majors as a pitcher and had a lifetime 0-4 record, with a 6.48 era. Kurt Bevacqua would have torn him to pieces had he leveled him with a pitch as he claimed he would have. Kurt was 6’1”, 185 lean and mean, while Tommy was a big talking, hot headed, pot bellied, 5’10” jackass who had little business ever playing in the major leagues. Nuff said about a completely different era in MLB.

And he attended my mom and dad's church in Florida back in the day!!!
 
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Votto has a fairly long wrap sheet. Which is fine, but the "Protector of the game, moral authority act" rubs me the wrong way. Examples: Trying to lecture Bryce Harper and the other night Kela. STFU and see if you can get to 50 RBIs this year.

 
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Votto has a fairly long wrap sheet. Which is fine, but the "Protector of the game, moral authority act" rubs me the wrong way. Examples: Trying to lecture Bryce Harper and the other night Kela. STFU and see if you can get to 50 RBIs this year.


In case anyone needs more evidence of what a douche Votto is. Great player. Douche.
 
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And just to show I'm not being a total homer (I actually rooted for the Big Red Machine as a kid when they weren't playing the Pirates and can still recite their lineup.), Williams needs to STFU too. Not a fan of Pitchers, not in the game, escalating things. Leave it to the guys on the field who have to step in the batter's box (which is why I'm against the DH, but that's for another day). And Archer! I'm sure the Pirates have done worse trades, but I can't think of any off-hand. This started with Archer and Dietrich back in April. Archer blows. Again, keep a lower profile.
 
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And just to show I'm not being a total homer (I actually rooted for the Big Red Machine as a kid when they weren't playing the Pirates and can still recite their lineup.), Williams needs to STFU too. Not a fan of Pitchers, not in the game, escalating things. Leave it to the guys on the field who have to step in the batter's box (which is why I'm against the DH, but that's for another day). And Archer! I'm sure the Pirates have done worse trades, but I can't think of any off-hand. This started with Archer and Dietrich back in April. Archer blows. Again, keep a lower profile.

I am not at all sure that the Pirates have ever done a worse trade. I hated it from day 1. Archer being an “ace” was a total myth. It could end being one of the worst trades ever in MLB. We shall see.

Williams should have kept quiet, but by all accounts became engaged when Garrett said “FU” to Josh Bell and called him a POS as soon as he entered the game.
 
p.s. Dietrich is starting to grow on me. He's not going to stop posing, and he doesn't go all apeshit or get whiny (as far as I know), when he gets brushed back. I think he takes it as getting in a pitchers head. I can respect that.
 
Suspensions see mostly fair, though I am really surprised Bell didn’t get more than he did.
I have to disagree. Effectively Bell gets four games more than Hurdle. It makes no sense. When Garrett charges the dugout, after Hughes effectively ended it with drilling Marte, and gets less than Kela I just don’t see it.

I should also add I don’t see where Hughes is fair either.
 
I have to disagree. Effectively Bell gets four games more than Hurdle. It makes no sense. When Garrett charges the dugout, after Hughes effectively ended it with drilling Marte, and gets less than Kela I just don’t see it.

Bell was already ejected from the game, came back into the field and went right after Hurdle. I though that would be 15 games or so.
Kela three a pitch at somebody’s head and admitted to doing it. That’s where he gets that suspension.
And honestly, I thought Garrett would get more than he did as well.
 
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Fortunately, neither of the teams involved are anywhere near being in a pennant race.

If either had been, the absolute f^cking douchetard running the MLB “suspension system” - Joe Torre - woulda’ really f^cked things up.
Well, actually, I guess he did royally screw things up - as he usually does - it’s just that no one will really have a reason to care.

It’s hard to imagine shitting the bed any worse than he did on this one though.
This may be his “Mona Lisa” of douchetard f-ups.

So dramatic.
 
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