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Hunters bag 1,000 pythons in Florida Everglades

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Python hunter Brian Hargrove, right, is helped by Marcos Fernandez, left, with the South Florida Water Management District, as they measure and weigh the 1,000th python caught in the Florida Everglades. (Wilfredo Lee / AP)

HOMESTEAD — Florida is marking a milestone in its attempt to control an infestation of Burmese pythons in the Everglades.

The state has been paying a select group of 25 hunters to catch and kill the invasive snakes on state lands in South Florida since March 2017. On Tuesday, the 1,000th python collected in that program was measured and weighed at the South Florida Water Management District's field office in Homestead.

Hunter Brian Hargrove collected the milestone snake just before midnight Friday. He is the program's most prolific hunter, capturing and killing more than 110 pythons over the past 15 months.

Hargrove said he was driving slowly along a canal and looking through the grass when he spotted the 11-foot-2-inch-long male snake along a levee.

The area also was habitat for American crocodiles, one of the protected native species in the Everglades that officials say are losing ground to the invasive pythons.

"Getting it out of there was a good feeling," Hargrove said.

When the program began, Hargrove said he hated having to kill the pythons, but he wanted to help save wildlife in the beleaguered Everglades. On Tuesday, he said he still tries to avoid hunting alone.

"I like to hunt with a friend because if we are successful, I don't like to have put an animal down," he said. "It's a beautiful creature. It's not their fault. But it's the job."

Half the 1,010 pythons harvested by hand as of Tuesday have been females, which can produce up to 70 eggs each year.

"We've removed potentially tens of thousands, if you consider their reproductive abilities," said Mike Kirkland, who manages the ongoing python hunt for the water management district.

The hunting program initially was limited to Miami-Dade County but has been expanded into Broward and Collier counties. The snakes brought in have averaged around 9 feet in length, though hunters also have brought in 14-inch hatchlings as well as snakes nearly 18 feet long.

"The more they eat, the bigger they get," Kirkland said.

Tens of thousands of pythons are estimated to be slithering through the Everglades. Scientists say the giant constrictor snakes, which can grow over 20 feet long, have eliminated 99 percent of the native mammals in the Everglades, decimating food sources for native predators such as panthers and alligators.

Hargrove said the pythons have had a dramatic effect on the landscape he has explored since he was a teenager.

"There's nothing," he said. "You used to drive in the Everglades and you would see, easily, 20, 30, 40 rabbits on any given morning. I've only seen one since starting this program — one, and he looked scared."
 
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Good. Pythons definitely don't belong in the Everglades. (I didn't see any pythons when I was in the Everglades this past January. That was fine by me)

All that said, 1000 isn't even 0.5% of the Python population down there. It's a perfect environment for them to thrive.
 
Good. Pythons definitely don't belong in the Everglades. (I didn't see any pythons when I was in the Everglades this past January. That was fine by me)

All that said, 1000 isn't even 0.5% of the Python population down there.
Yep - the state has botched this forever. Pay $100+/snake for anyone who wants to have at it. The guy's comment about the rabbit was striking.
 
I understand that this problem occurred when Hurricane Andrew toppled a reptile breeding facility in 1992 and all the pythons escaped. Estimates of the total number in the Glades now are as high as 100,000. There are no natural predators. This is an environmental disaster.
 
Man, I really hate invasive species... In many cases, there is no hope for the ecosystem where they are released.
Don't hate the species, blame our own species for, as per usual, starting this sort of thing in the first place. And mankind is the quintessential invasive species. Talk about no hope for the ecosystem.
 
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Don't hate the species, blame our own species for, as per usual, starting this sort of thing in the first place. And mankind is the quintessential invasive species. Talk about no hope for the ecosystem.
I didn't say I hated snakes, I said that I hated invasive species. I'm not proposing the eradication of pythons in Burma or South America, just in the US. an "invasive species" is defined as a species that is: 1) non-native (or alien) to the ecosystem under consideration and. 2) whose introduction causes or is likely to cause economic or environmental harm or harm to human health. Human's are largely, but not 100% responsible for invasive species. There are brown snakes in Guam that are invasive, but they snuck onto the island via a ship or plane I believe.
 
I didn't say I hated snakes, I said that I hated invasive species. I'm not proposing the eradication of pythons in Burma or South America, just in the US. an "invasive species" is defined as a species that is: 1) non-native (or alien) to the ecosystem under consideration and. 2) whose introduction causes or is likely to cause economic or environmental harm or harm to human health. Human's are largely, but not 100% responsible for invasive species. There are brown snakes in Guam that are invasive, but they snuck onto the island via a ship or plane I believe.
Ranger, I didn't read your post as you "hated snakes" at all. I was speaking in generalities, and I do understand the definition of invasive species. With respect to the Brown Snake, I doubt that they contemplated "sneaking" onto a plane or ship with Guam as their desired destination. Bottom line is the vast majority of invasive occurrence is due to human incompetence or dismissive negligence. Again, we fit our own definition of invasive species more than any other in the history of the planet. And yes, even the second part, when one considers the long term effects of our collective activities.
 
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Hunters bag 1,000 pythons in Florida Everglades

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Python hunter Brian Hargrove, right, is helped by Marcos Fernandez, left, with the South Florida Water Management District, as they measure and weigh the 1,000th python caught in the Florida Everglades. (Wilfredo Lee / AP)

HOMESTEAD — Florida is marking a milestone in its attempt to control an infestation of Burmese pythons in the Everglades.

The state has been paying a select group of 25 hunters to catch and kill the invasive snakes on state lands in South Florida since March 2017. On Tuesday, the 1,000th python collected in that program was measured and weighed at the South Florida Water Management District's field office in Homestead.

Hunter Brian Hargrove collected the milestone snake just before midnight Friday. He is the program's most prolific hunter, capturing and killing more than 110 pythons over the past 15 months.

Hargrove said he was driving slowly along a canal and looking through the grass when he spotted the 11-foot-2-inch-long male snake along a levee.

The area also was habitat for American crocodiles, one of the protected native species in the Everglades that officials say are losing ground to the invasive pythons.

"Getting it out of there was a good feeling," Hargrove said.

When the program began, Hargrove said he hated having to kill the pythons, but he wanted to help save wildlife in the beleaguered Everglades. On Tuesday, he said he still tries to avoid hunting alone.

"I like to hunt with a friend because if we are successful, I don't like to have put an animal down," he said. "It's a beautiful creature. It's not their fault. But it's the job."

Half the 1,010 pythons harvested by hand as of Tuesday have been females, which can produce up to 70 eggs each year.

"We've removed potentially tens of thousands, if you consider their reproductive abilities," said Mike Kirkland, who manages the ongoing python hunt for the water management district.

The hunting program initially was limited to Miami-Dade County but has been expanded into Broward and Collier counties. The snakes brought in have averaged around 9 feet in length, though hunters also have brought in 14-inch hatchlings as well as snakes nearly 18 feet long.

"The more they eat, the bigger they get," Kirkland said.

Tens of thousands of pythons are estimated to be slithering through the Everglades. Scientists say the giant constrictor snakes, which can grow over 20 feet long, have eliminated 99 percent of the native mammals in the Everglades, decimating food sources for native predators such as panthers and alligators.

Hargrove said the pythons have had a dramatic effect on the landscape he has explored since he was a teenager.

"There's nothing," he said. "You used to drive in the Everglades and you would see, easily, 20, 30, 40 rabbits on any given morning. I've only seen one since starting this program — one, and he looked scared."

In other news, Sisyphus pushed his rock a little higher today.

It's such a shame, but appears this is the new ecosystem there and there's no undoing it now.
 
They had 1,000 hunters apply and only took 25. They get paid minimum wage (max 40 hours) + $50 for any python over 4' long and an additional $25 for each foot. So a 15 footer would net you $325 + your hourly. You're allowed to just shoot them in the head, which is I guess how most of them are killed.
 
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They had 1,000 hunters apply and only took 25. They get paid minimum wage (max 40 hours) + $50 for any python over 4' long and an additional $25 for each foot. So a 15 footer would net you $325 + your hourly. You're allowed to just shoot them in the head, which is I guess how most of them are killed.

Why not take all 1000 and just make it a pure bounty program? Man has proven adept at decimating pretty much anything if motivated enough by the $$$
 
Freezing snakes is supposed to be more humane. But I guess a bullet in the head is just as painless.
 
I understand that this problem occurred when Hurricane Andrew toppled a reptile breeding facility in 1992 and all the pythons escaped. Estimates of the total number in the Glades now are as high as 100,000. There are no natural predators. This is an environmental disaster.
That is the story they tell and it makes sense as it was never a problem before hand. I lived thru Andrew and our only worry in those days were the alligators as the expansion west was rapid. Another story has always been the rise of the exotic reptile collection/trade that came in with the increase in the human population especially from the south.
 
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I was walking in a park next to Tampa Bay awhile back and an iguana sauntered by.

I was like "you're from South America what are you doing here"? And he was like "you're from PA what are you doing here"? So we just went our separate ways.
 
I was walking in a park next to Tampa Bay awhile back and an iguana sauntered by.

I was like "you're from South America what are you doing here"? And he was like "you're from PA what are you doing here"? So we just went our separate ways.
Iguanas are all over Miami, too!
 
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With 24 hour jet travel to most places on the globe, its hard to stop this.
15 years ago, I read that our nation was spending something like close to $100 billion a year related to invasive species.
 
Good. Pythons definitely don't belong in the Everglades. (I didn't see any pythons when I was in the Everglades this past January. That was fine by me)

All that said, 1000 isn't even 0.5% of the Python population down there. It's a perfect environment for them to thrive.

Pythons are always welcomed
 
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Hunters bag 1,000 pythons in Florida Everglades

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Python hunter Brian Hargrove, right, is helped by Marcos Fernandez, left, with the South Florida Water Management District, as they measure and weigh the 1,000th python caught in the Florida Everglades. (Wilfredo Lee / AP)

HOMESTEAD — Florida is marking a milestone in its attempt to control an infestation of Burmese pythons in the Everglades.

The state has been paying a select group of 25 hunters to catch and kill the invasive snakes on state lands in South Florida since March 2017. On Tuesday, the 1,000th python collected in that program was measured and weighed at the South Florida Water Management District's field office in Homestead.

Hunter Brian Hargrove collected the milestone snake just before midnight Friday. He is the program's most prolific hunter, capturing and killing more than 110 pythons over the past 15 months.

Hargrove said he was driving slowly along a canal and looking through the grass when he spotted the 11-foot-2-inch-long male snake along a levee.

The area also was habitat for American crocodiles, one of the protected native species in the Everglades that officials say are losing ground to the invasive pythons.

"Getting it out of there was a good feeling," Hargrove said.

When the program began, Hargrove said he hated having to kill the pythons, but he wanted to help save wildlife in the beleaguered Everglades. On Tuesday, he said he still tries to avoid hunting alone.

"I like to hunt with a friend because if we are successful, I don't like to have put an animal down," he said. "It's a beautiful creature. It's not their fault. But it's the job."

Half the 1,010 pythons harvested by hand as of Tuesday have been females, which can produce up to 70 eggs each year.

"We've removed potentially tens of thousands, if you consider their reproductive abilities," said Mike Kirkland, who manages the ongoing python hunt for the water management district.

The hunting program initially was limited to Miami-Dade County but has been expanded into Broward and Collier counties. The snakes brought in have averaged around 9 feet in length, though hunters also have brought in 14-inch hatchlings as well as snakes nearly 18 feet long.

"The more they eat, the bigger they get," Kirkland said.

Tens of thousands of pythons are estimated to be slithering through the Everglades. Scientists say the giant constrictor snakes, which can grow over 20 feet long, have eliminated 99 percent of the native mammals in the Everglades, decimating food sources for native predators such as panthers and alligators.

Hargrove said the pythons have had a dramatic effect on the landscape he has explored since he was a teenager.

"There's nothing," he said. "You used to drive in the Everglades and you would see, easily, 20, 30, 40 rabbits on any given morning. I've only seen one since starting this program — one, and he looked scared."

Good over visiting my grandmother near everglades city last weekend and seeing the warning of bear and panther signs gave me hope as the panthers seem to be recovering numbers wise a little... When duck hunting in the everglades my head is on a swivel standing in waist to chest deep water
 
What’s worse is I saw a story a couple of years ago in which they hypothesized that the typically tropical species could potentially adapt to survive winters as far north as the Carolinas and possibly metro DC.
 
I took a tour through the Everglades in January at Everglades National Park. I can tell you that they are REALLY concerned with the snakes. As stated 99% of the wildlife is gone. That means that the crocks have very little to eat. Yes they do eat snakes but that goes both ways. The crocks have a symbiotic relationship with the creatures in the glades. They are afraid that the crocks will start disappearing and the eco system will completely collapse.
 
What’s worse is I saw a story a couple of years ago in which they hypothesized that the typically tropical species could potentially adapt to survive winters as far north as the Carolinas and possibly metro DC.
Well, if they wait a little longer they won't have to adapt. Oops, I almost forgot, climate change is a hoax.
 
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I didn't say I hated snakes, I said that I hated invasive species. I'm not proposing the eradication of pythons in Burma or South America, just in the US. an "invasive species" is defined as a species that is: 1) non-native (or alien) to the ecosystem under consideration and. 2) whose introduction causes or is likely to cause economic or environmental harm or harm to human health. Human's are largely, but not 100% responsible for invasive species. There are brown snakes in Guam that are invasive, but they snuck onto the island via a ship or plane I believe.
You're correct,there were no brown snakes on Guam in 65-66. Not sure what year they showed up.
 
I understand that this problem occurred when Hurricane Andrew toppled a reptile breeding facility in 1992 and all the pythons escaped.

I don't think the hurricane and the invasion are related, though I've seen that cause being mentioned in a number of news articles. Hurricane Andrew made landfall in FL on Aug. 24, 1992. Per the Nature Conservancy, the 1st Burmese python discovered in the Everglades was in 1979. It was determined to be a former pet, which had either escaped or been released.
 
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I don't think the hurricane and the invasion are related, though I've seen that cause being mentioned in a number of news articles. Hurricane Andrew made landfall in FL on Aug. 24, 1992. Per the Nature Conservancy, the 1st Burmese python discovered in the Everglades was in 1979. It was determined to be a former pet, which had either escaped or been released.
Further reading leads me to agree. It suggests Andrew did not cause the problem but did contribute to it.
 
I understand that this problem occurred when Hurricane Andrew toppled a reptile breeding facility in 1992 and all the pythons escaped. Estimates of the total number in the Glades now are as high as 100,000. There are no natural predators. This is an environmental disaster.
A reptile breeding facility for invasive species in a hurricane zone. Please tell me this was an illegal facility and there’s no way fish and wildlife would have approved that plan! Regardless, they sure were slow to start reducing numbers in earnest. This was a problem from the start.

And who didnt know about the lion fish released from the acquarium in Ivan? Every dive boat in every reef should have spears and nets capturing them. And should have years ago.
 
Too late. A 1,000 a yr diebs’t Do much when the females are dropping 70 eggs. The glades are over run by them. People find them under their homes.
 
I didn't say I hated snakes, I said that I hated invasive species. I'm not proposing the eradication of pythons in Burma or South America, just in the US. an "invasive species" is defined as a species that is: 1) non-native (or alien) to the ecosystem under consideration and. 2) whose introduction causes or is likely to cause economic or environmental harm or harm to human health. Human's are largely, but not 100% responsible for invasive species. There are brown snakes in Guam that are invasive, but they snuck onto the island via a ship or plane I believe.
 
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Mammals gone. Plenty of reptiles around though.
I agree the mammal population has declined. I ride bike around a couple Everglades trails all the time and see very few small mammals. I do see wild boar, deer, bobcats (of some sort), but these arent the typical snake prey. Have yet to see a large snake but they're also not typically out in the open.
 
this article is a little misleading I think. Something I just found out (unless it had changed) is that this python hunting program does not include Everglades national park. Simply because you are not allowed to hunt on/in federal parks. If you look at a map and realize how big Everglades national park is in relation to the Everglades you'll laugh at this program. It's a joke. I've wondered why they just don't make it open season on these snakes and that's pretty much why. The Everglades national park is like 90 percent of the Everglades and that's where all the snakes are but you can't hunt them there.

On a side note. Someone asked about how they kill them. Most of these guys literal just catch them but hand and turn them in to the state. It's another reason these guys tees are upset because they claim catching them by hand wouldn't classify as hunting in national parks but they still can't do that.
 
this article is a little misleading I think. Something I just found out (unless it had changed) is that this python hunting program does not include Everglades national park. Simply because you are not allowed to hunt on/in federal parks. If you look at a map and realize how big Everglades national park is in relation to the Everglades you'll laugh at this program. It's a joke. I've wondered why they just don't make it open season on these snakes and that's pretty much why. The Everglades national park is like 90 percent of the Everglades and that's where all the snakes are but you can't hunt them there.

On a side note. Someone asked about how they kill them. Most of these guys literal just catch them but hand and turn them in to the state. It's another reason these guys tees are upset because they claim catching them by hand wouldn't classify as hunting in national parks but they still can't do that.
You can't hunt in national parks, but the federal government has paid for "professionals" to kill animals on national park lands. They do this for deer in Valley Forge and for Elk in Rocky Mountain NP.
 
To make real dent in the population hunting them by site and hand isn’t going to do anything. Would require some type of mechanical trap where hundreds of them could be caught per month by just a few people checking and resetting the traps. Traps could also hem be set in varying locations once the population is depleted in a certain area.
 
Traps are almost as labor intensive as hunting.

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If this problem will be somewhat solved it will be 1) Some sort of species ruining poisonous virus that can be passed from snake to snake 2) the temperature in the Glades drops to 25 degrees.
 
You can't hunt in national parks, but the federal government has paid for "professionals" to kill animals on national park lands. They do this for deer in Valley Forge and for Elk in Rocky Mountain NP.


I dont doubt that at all and the Everglades NP has had these python hunts but for the size of the park and number of pythons present its like trying lower sea levels by drinking the water. Not gonna happen. What Im pointing out is that they do have all these hunters taking them out but their hands are tied by the fact that there really is only a small area that they can capture them regularly. Not only are the Everglades PERFECT for pythons but we have actually created a safe haven for them too by not allowing these guys to attempt to eradicate them in the NP footprint. IF you look at a map, the Everglades NP is huge. There is only a small area really that gets the visitors.
 
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