Can’t speak for the other EV makers, but Tesla recycles end-of-life batteries at its Nevada factory. Raw materials are too valuable to dump.
OT: NJ to offer $5k Electric Vehicle Tax Credit & Zero Sales Tax
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Can’t speak for the other EV makers, but Tesla recycles end-of-life batteries at its Nevada factory. Raw materials are too valuable to dump.
...like I said - NJ will need more coal and natural gas. They certainly aren't going to build any nuclear plants. That would make too much sense.
Wouldn't it make sense to make more natural gas powered vehicles and cut out the middle man?
Because the infrastructure for electrical distribution is in place and CNG passenger vehicles aren’t available? And an EV fleet can be transitioned to renewables as costs drop below NG.
And you skipped over NJs stated generation growth plan; solar and offshore wind coupled with battery storage. Coal is dead. Much more likely NJ will add nuclear plants than new coal plants.
Like getting an abortion if you are woman in Alabama.
I assume that is TIC. Been going on forever.
Fox News doesn’t care, it’s too hippie and coastal and uncomfortable, so they’ll all just lazily spout false oil company talking points given to them by their media masters, and the people actually doing and making stuff will drag their lazy asses into the 21st century kicking and screaming anyway. This tech is an incredible opportunity, but some people have no vision whatsoever. Their insecurity is boundless.
Don’t worry- once we unplug all the useless gas stations from the grid we’ll need significantly less energy
Thermal coal is in terminal decline. Metallurgical coal, used in steel making, will be around for awhile.
Natural gas is the reason coal is in decline. Coal isn’t being replaced because of environmental concerns or regulations. It’s being replaced because a cheaper fossil fuel is displacing it. Nat gas had made it possible to build renewable plants because it provides a lower cost backup when wind and solar aren’t producing. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...e-a-secret-friend-natural-gas/?outputType=amp
Ironically, this is why Germany hasn’t realized green house gas reduction despite adding more renewable than most countries. Germany doesn’t have low cost nat gas. Their low cost backup is lignite, which is the dirtiest form of coal.
The only real, industrial scale alternative to fossil fuels is nuclear. Any plan to decarbonize the economy without using nuclear is laughable and naive. Wind and solar are intermittent and geographically uneven. Hydro is a great renewable, but the appetite for it is low. Plus, environmental regs make it difficult to build new dams. Hydro also has the benefit of being the only proven large-scale energy storage (pumped hydro).
A few years ago you could buy a Honda Civic that ran on natural gas, its' range was about 250 miles with virtually no ability to travel longer distances because there was no infrastructure outside of cities. It was about $8k more expensive, and it had less HP and less torque..... a wonderful recipe to generate consumer demand.
Sadly, there is a story as to why there are so few nat gas stations.
Chesapeake signed a deal with a huge truck stop company to build them across the interstate system. But CEO and founder Aubrey McClendon was such a crook that he committed suicide before being indicted by the SEC, Ches will be filing for bankruptcy this year, and the truck stop company was hit with massive fines and lawsuits for ripping off its customers with it loyalty and credit cards. Both were ht so bad that the buildout never happened.
Yep. And people without kids pay as much in property taxes as I do.
We had two kids. But we certainly didn't have the second one because of the tax credits. So I don't really consider that as my behavior being manipulated.
My pet peeve is government picking winners and losers. When it's economically advantageous to drive an electric vehicle, people will switch because it will be in their best interest to do so. Government should stay out of it. Period.
What really gets me is government being financially dependent on our vices. Sin taxes create an unhealthy relationship between man and government.
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But to get a large market penetration EVs need to have the ability to take long trips. People buying Teslas use them as commuters because it is too difficult to take long trips. If you use the AC or heater the range drops considerably.....and just about everyone uses those.
Plus the recharge times are too long, even at the fast charge units. No one wants to stop for an hr or so every three or four hrs.
Spin Meister, I am curious where you’ve gotten your information. As an owner of both a Tesla Model 3 and an Outback, I can say without a doubt that I prefer to road trip in the Tesla. Every Tesla owner I know feels the same and I don’t know anyone who has needed to supercharge for an hour - it’s typically 15-25 minutes.
This begs the question, though, as to why the state government of NJ should be subsidizing them ?
Well, not according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration:
Natural gas: 35%
Coal: 27%
Nuclear: 19%
Renewables: 17%
Petroleum: 1%
That's still 63% from fossil fuels.
If you have kids you have no right to complain about the government creating loopholes for lifestyle decisions.
Shut your moth and simply say thank you to me and others who fund your life choices.
This is a real head scratcher...maybe cleaner air, lower dependency on imported energy and more economical use of natural resources?
Just another example of the few that believe they are smarter than the rest being able to push their agenda's through our government and have the rest pay for it.
We are fortunate that the U.S. economy is so resilient....
1) Teslas essentially run on coal.
2) The US is a net energy exporter.
3) If it was a more economical use of natural resources, it wouldn't need to be subsidized.
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The stats shown in this very thread show that your #1 is false.
Cleaner air, maybe. The Cobalt in the Tesla batteries is relatively scarce and is sourced from a very badly governed place. Hopefully, this element will eventually be replaced in all EV batteries with safer and more abundant alternatives.
No. I am saying I am responsible and don’t foist my choices on society. Unlike your ilk who wants others to pay the freight for their life choices.
Just say “thank you” and be on your way.
And I don’t smoke or gamble.
It’s subsidized because unfortunately the majority of the population is too stupid to realize it’s a better option for themselves and the environment
1) False.
2) I am sorry you are too stupid to understand how fungible global resources work.
3) False. There is a cost of change and responsible governments throughout history have offset those cost for the betterment of society.
Should we try to clean up the cobalt supply chain? Sure! But we still import 1 million barrels of crude from the Saudis PER DAY. If we’re going to talk about badly governed places...
Tesla has reduced the amount of cobalt in their batteries by 60% over the last 6 years. Out of the ~1000 lb battery pack, cobalt makes up about 9 lbs.
https://www.benchmarkminerals.com/panasonic-reduces-teslas-cobalt-consumption-by-60-in-6-years/
I found a site reporting 387,000 barrels from the Saudis for the week of January 17, 2020.
According to their stats, a pretty sharp dropoff has occurred in the past couple years.
The US Government has subsidized the cost to insure nuclear power plants since 1957. That’s one.
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