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OT: NJ to offer $5k Electric Vehicle Tax Credit & Zero Sales Tax

And how much of our energy comes from nuclear? The private sector would have done it a helluva lot better.

You asked for examples of government directing energy policy by manipulating the market, and I gave you one. If you actually knew a bit of history, you would know that the private insurance market would not insure private nuclear plants - too risky - so the government stepped in to limit liability. This artificially keeps nuclear electricity costs low. The government does the same for offshore oil platforms. The taxpayer is on the hook if there is a catastrophic failure. Your free market is a myth, always has been.
 
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I found a site reporting 387,000 barrels from the Saudis for the week of January 17, 2020.
According to their stats, a pretty sharp dropoff has occurred in the past couple years.

Importation is seasonal and lumpy so I wouldn’t extrapolate off of 1 week. But, yes, Saudi oil imports are dropping as they shift supply to China. The last available full year stats (2018) were hovering around 1M barrels per day. Even if it’s dropped to 500,000 barrels per day, the point remains - the cobalt economy is not our biggest issue when it comes to propping up bad actors.
 
FOOTBALL. :eek:

Imagine if Gas Football had pre-dated Electric Football. That would have been awesome. The game would have come with a small gas can for kids to fill up a gas tank to the side of the field. I'm sure the government would have subsidized Gas Football. It's good for kids to learn strategery and fuel maintenance at an early age. Back then, it probably would have been leaded gas, but kids still would have learned a lot. Besides, they were eating lead paint anyway.
 
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I could be wrong but I think if you lease, the credit stays with the dealer which should be used to reduce the monthly lease payment.
 
Importation is seasonal and lumpy so I wouldn’t extrapolate off of 1 week. But, yes, Saudi oil imports are dropping as they shift supply to China. The last available full year stats (2018) were hovering around 1M barrels per day. Even if it’s dropped to 500,000 barrels per day, the point remains - the cobalt economy is not our biggest issue when it comes to propping up bad actors.
It was 387 K barrels a week the week of January 17, 2020.
If the data on this site is accurate, in the last year the US has never imported over 100K barrels a day.
That represents a very large drop from few years ago. The goal of “ energy independence “ is certainly a debatable one and has been a campaign season staple going back to the 1970’s.
I think the environmental benefits of Ev’s are being somewhat oversold.
 
Yeah, trying to decrease use of fossil fuels. First you’re hearing of this?

Thanks for the heads up!

Well, most electricity is made from fossil fuels. But this a way for the government to take the people's money and manipulate the market and favor whom they see fit. If they really wanted to decrease the use of fossil fuels they should put more taxes on fossil fuels.


Spin Meister, I am curious where you’ve gotten your information. As an owner of both a Tesla Model 3 and an Outback, I can say without a doubt that I prefer to road trip in the Tesla. Every Tesla owner I know feels the same and I don’t know anyone who has needed to supercharge for an hour - it’s typically 15-25 minutes.
Do you do a 100% charge each time or stop at 90% like some people do since the last 10% takes longer? And what is the range with a 90% charge?

Super chargers are faster but there are much fewer of them. And most are concentrated in Ca, the West Coast and the DC to Boston corridor. I don't know what roads trip you take with yours but much of the country has few super chargers and much has very little regular chargers.
 
Thanks for the heads up!

Well, most electricity is made from fossil fuels. But this a way for the government to take the people's money and manipulate the market and favor whom they see fit. If they really wanted to decrease the use of fossil fuels they should put more taxes on fossil fuels.



Do you do a 100% charge each time or stop at 90% like some people do since the last 10% takes longer? And what is the range with a 90% charge?

Super chargers are faster but there are much fewer of them. And most are concentrated in Ca, the West Coast and the DC to Boston corridor. I don't know what roads trip you take with yours but much of the country has few super chargers and much has very little regular chargers.

There are 16000 superchargers across the US, how many times will you have to be corrected in this thread?

edit: AND they've already started adding a new generation (V3) to the current gen. of superchargers which allow charging times to be reduced by 50%
 
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There are 16000 superchargers across the US, how many times will you have to be corrected in this thread?

edit: AND they've already started adding a new generation (V3) to the current gen. of superchargers which allow charging times to be reduced by 50%
Here's a map. They are spread out along the interstate system which is great for a cross country drive but few off such. So if I drive to visit a friend or do some site seeing in the country side I would have to limit my driving so that I have enough to get to a charger that might be a hundred miles away. Can't spend several days driving around remote areas without serious planning and worrying.

https://www.tesla.com/trips
 
Here's a map. They are spread out along the interstate system which is great for a cross country drive but few off such. So if I drive to visit a friend or do some site seeing in the country side I would have to limit my driving so that I have enough to get to a charger that might be a hundred miles away. Can't spend several days driving around remote areas without serious planning and worrying.

https://www.tesla.com/trips

Super chargers are faster but there are much fewer of them. And most are concentrated in Ca, the West Coast and the DC to Boston corridor. I don't know what roads trip you take with yours but much of the country has few super chargers and much has very little regular chargers.

I was correcting this statement and you respond with a deflection. Sure, EV's aren't a perfect solution for everyone and every situation. If that example you provided applies to you and you don't own car with an ICE then by all means don't buy an EV.
 
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Thanks for the heads up!

Well, most electricity is made from fossil fuels. But this a way for the government to take the people's money and manipulate the market and favor whom they see fit. If they really wanted to decrease the use of fossil fuels they should put more taxes on fossil fuels.

Ahhh the big bad government is trying to get me because they made it cheaper to buy a different car than the one I've always driven!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

ps- Sounds good to me, all in on more taxes on fossil fuels.
pps- you'd bitch and complain about that when it happened too
 
I was correcting this statement and you respond with a deflection. Sure, EV's aren't a perfect solution for everyone and every situation. If that example you provided applies to you and you don't own car with an ICE then by all means don't buy an EV.
Well look at the map. Most are in Ca and along the DC>Boston corridor as I stated with quite a few in Fl. Rest are along interstate highways, leaving much of the country uncovered.
 
Yep. And people without kids pay as much in property taxes as I do.

We had two kids. But we certainly didn't have the second one because of the tax credits. So I don't really consider that as my behavior being manipulated.

I have one child that goes to private school. Not one day in public school. Why am I paying any taxes toward the school system?? They refuse to even bus my child.
 
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Well look at the map. Most are in Ca and along the DC>Boston corridor as I stated with quite a few in Fl. Rest are along interstate highways, leaving much of the country uncovered.

If I was designing a charging network I'd put most of them where they are needed and where the population density is highest. What's your point again?
 
Well look at the map. Most are in Ca and along the DC>Boston corridor as I stated with quite a few in Fl. Rest are along interstate highways, leaving much of the country uncovered.
Pretty sure NJ falls in this DC-Boston corridor you speak of
 
If I was designing a charging network I'd put most of them where they are needed and where the population density is highest. What's your point again?

Tesla has made great strides in their worldwide charging network over the years. It is a big undertaking for a single company to build this network.
 
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Ahhh the big bad government is trying to get me because they made it cheaper to buy a different car than the one I've always driven!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

ps- Sounds good to me, all in on more taxes on fossil fuels.
pps- you'd bitch and complain about that when it happened too

Tax rebates make cars cheaper? Cute.
 
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A few years ago you could buy a Honda Civic that ran on natural gas, its' range was about 250 miles with virtually no ability to travel longer distances because there was no infrastructure outside of cities. It was about $8k more expensive, and it had less HP and less torque..... a wonderful recipe to generate consumer demand.

Plus half the trunk space was taken up by the ng tank. Don't know why sales never took off!
 
Sadly, there is a story as to why there are so few nat gas stations.

Chesapeake signed a deal with a huge truck stop company to build them across the interstate system. But CEO and founder Aubrey McClendon was such a crook that he committed suicide before being indicted by the SEC, Ches will be filing for bankruptcy this year, and the truck stop company was hit with massive fines and lawsuits for ripping off its customers with it loyalty and credit cards. Both were ht so bad that the buildout never happened.

There is no build out because there is not enough demand from ng powered cars.
 
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