OT: Russians busted for PEDs in ... curling?
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Have you seen his wife? He wasn’t taking it to help his performance on the ice!
Do they award a medal for the Curler that can lift the most stones at one time? What’s the point, for this sport? I know they all have to be in shape, but cheating in this sport doesn’t make any sense.
They cheat at everything and seem to think they have the right to do so and get indignant when caught. The ban for this Olympiad did not go far enough.
The entire sports program for this country should get the equivalent of the "death penalty'
I hate Russia and what they have done to things that I love.
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Russia was banned from the 2018 Paralympics for doping. Seriously.
So I figure PEDs must be some sort of national mandate. Because why else would you have widespread usage for the Paralympics of all things?
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I thought this was more fake news, but I guess not....
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ames-suspected-of-doping-source-idUSKCN1G20GX
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ames-suspected-of-doping-source-idUSKCN1G20GX
If you haven't seen it, I encourage everyone to go watch Icarus on netflix. It's a documentary by Bryan Fogel, which exploits Russia's state sponsored doping and so much more. It's very well made and definitely worth the watch.
Crazy good film. And extraordinary dumb luck. What started out as a supersize me exercise accidentally turned into a real time behind the scenes story of one of the top 3 doping scandals of all time.
Btw it may make you second guess whether you like watching the Olympics.
He could be a deliberate test candidate for Russia.......to verify if the masking agent given to him works against current testing methods. Summer Olympics are coming....and lots of sports ( ie...wrestling & Field events ) that would benefit from juicing. I imagine he isn't the only Guinea Pig out there. It isn't a question of "If" they cheat....it is "How" they cheat.
Testing and detection methods are about 10 years behind the dopers.
Is state sponsored worse than individual initiative?
Without a whistle blower they may not have been caught as a group. And.....there are always the glass houses to be considered. I’ll say this, we sometimes produce atheletes with eye popping performances that if the athlete was representing another country, we’d be screaming to have that athlete tested.
Is state sponsored worse than individual initiative?
Without a whistle blower they may not have been caught as a group. And.....there are always the glass houses to be considered. I’ll say this, we sometimes produce atheletes with eye popping performances that if the athlete was representing another country, we’d be screaming to have that athlete tested.
My question remains, really. We look the other way when ours choose to but they haven’t been caught...by pretending their performance must be natural.
It would shock most people who is in USADA’s sights but the tests can’t match the current masking or other techniques. They would love to have sample retains for 10 years.
But to your point, Jefe. It is the “mandated” part that got the whistle blowing. Without the mandate, we still wouldn’t know who is and isn’t.
I imagine they didn't figure they would test all Paralympians or curlers. What's next.....Chess?
Sometimes things aren't so black and white. Seems like this year's legal supplements turn into next year's PEDs (or masking agents). From time immemorial athletes have looked for ways to elevate their game. I have a feeling that we would have to burn down every sport's hall of fame if we exhumed and tested the remains of past legends and discovered some of the stuff they were taking.
Is there something about paralympians that suggests they want to win less?
Anyway....all I’m really saying is we point fingers where we shouldn’t be. We do it too and it isn’t just with today’s supplements that get banned in 10’years.
Anyway....all I’m really saying is we point fingers where we shouldn’t be. We do it too and it isn’t just with today’s supplements that get banned in 10’years.
I generally do not stereotype, but this quick story, is a stereotype but true nonetheless. My brother in law lives across the street from a Russian family new to the US. Very very nice people. He gets a knock on his door one morning and it is the Russian guy from across the street holding his 55 inch flat screen tv. My BIL asks what's up. The Russian says "we are going out of town for a few days can you hold on to my TV while we are gone?" My BIL leaks why. Answer - "My family knows we will be out of town and while we are gone they will come and steal it". I kid you not, this is apparently very common behavior. What kind of world must it be when you can't trust your own family? This is what a century of secularism gets you, just basic morality is out the window. The Russian cheating is "State sponsored" which is the most shocking part. Here we have individual athletes, Barry Bonds or Lance Armstrong, or maybe a trainer trying to get ahead. A cautionary tale for our country in the future.
I think many American sports fans would be surprised to know how prevalent the use of PEDs has been throughout history, at the collegiate, professional, and every other competitive level. I knew a guy years ago who played in the AFL and NFL back in the 1960's and 70's. He told me about how players were not only encouraged but were required by their teams to take speed (amphetamine) and other drugs that would not just been deemed PEDs now, but would trigger criminal liability.
There's a pretty good write up at the linked article below about the history of PED use in American sports. Here's one snippet:
https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/xyjkez/a-brief-history-of-performance-enhancing-drugs
There's a pretty good write up at the linked article below about the history of PED use in American sports. Here's one snippet:
In the case of baseball and football, the drugs weren't always introduced by fellow players but rather by teams and their doctors. I.C. Middleman, the hilariously named doctor of baseball's St. Louis Cardinals, told Sports Illustrated's Bil Gilbert in 1969 about the veritable pharmacy he used to treat the club:
"We occasionally use Dexamyl and Dexedrine [amphetamines]. . . . We also use barbiturates, Seconal, Tuinal, Nembutal. . . . We also use some anti-depressants, Triavil, Tofranil, Valium. . . . But I don't think the use of drugs is as prevalent in the Midwest as it is on the East and West coasts."
https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/xyjkez/a-brief-history-of-performance-enhancing-drugs
The individuals? Of course not.
But when an entire country gets banned, that's more than individuals.
Russia puts insane emphasis on sports results to boost national pride, pardon the pun, like Texas HS football on steroids. For the regular athletes, that's bad enough. But to have to brag about having the best disabled athletes -- that's pathological. Not nearly as funny as the South Park episode.
That's more of the normal condition of life in many parts of the world, especially the most corrupt countries, countries where private property rights are culturally dismissed, and/or the police are useless or worse.
Our driver at Iguazu Falls told us her family has to hire a house sitter when they're gone for more than a couple hours, for the same reasons. Argentina, very Catholic country. Also very corrupt and socialist.
Have heard similar things from visiting other countries and from friends/family who visited other countries.
A fellow southern transplant from the Midwest told me a story of a guy moving his family here. He was retiring and wanted to start enjoying life. The neighbors invited him over for bbq. During the night he showed interest in the local football college powerhouse. They gave him tickets to next Saturdays game. He went and they showed him and his wife a good time and came home to an empty house.
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Hell yes. Not only is it diametrically opposed to the whole purpose of international sport, it is also at the root of the kind of jingoistic that leads to thinks like Crimea.
Except that in general, is is the presence of others pointing the finger that allows the detection....which is what happened in the Russia situation. A whistleblower. Bonds still isn’t caught since he didn’t test. Armstrong pointed out by teammates because he required it (never mind that his Tour de France wins couldn’t be awarded to anyone on the podium in his 7 years because all 21 were implicated st some point).
I get it. We are angry about the state sponsored forced PEDs. I’m just saying while many athletes are not taking them....there’s a good bet that many of the winners are and testing isn’t going to get them. Including winners in winter. If for injury recovery alone....
If the Russians had been in way way serious about salvaging this gold medal, they would have simply directed the guy to cop to taking the meldonium for ED. Given his wife/teammate and the fact that the IOC is literally providing 110,000 condoms for use in the athlete's village (an average of 37 per competitor), I'm sure everyone would understand perfectly well.
Except that it was a bronze, not gold, so yeah, he appears to have some performance issues to resolve.
I have no doubt about that. ...But I am guessing not steroids ....even though those Triple-Weighted sets are pretty heavy
"I don't do doping, I am doping."
OTOH, she might be a mail order future ex Mrs. Crop.
IMO, the idea that non-doped russian athletes can perform while the government is engaged in massive corruption breaks the responsibility of all of us for the actions of our government to one degree or another.
All russian athletes should have been banned.
individual versus collective an age old debate.
All russian athletes should have been banned.
individual versus collective an age old debate.
For anyone who has Netflix.. watch IcaRus. Story about amateur cyclist who decides he wants to dope and get away with it. Subsequent events lead to a interesting tale..
