Yeah, the only real point of my posting is to serve as a heads-up to watch for Rose defenders (not necessarily on this board) trying to talk their hero out of this one.
I love the guy who said he was "taken aback"
I love the guy who said he "taken aback" when he found the notebook. Reminds me of another bureaucrat named Capt. Louie Renault, who famously said, "“I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on here!” (The croupier hands him his money.) “…Your winnings, sir.” “Oh, thank you very much!”
The response to this is: every time Rose didn't bet on his team, he's indicating to the bookies that betting against his team might be a good idea. That's aside from your answers to your own question, well thought out.
what is new and inconsistent to me, is, he said he never bet on baseball while he was a player. Clearly he was a player (as well as manager) , and he bet on games. I don't believe he should be a HOF er despite the fact I give him 90% of the credit for 80 Phillies WS win, as well as giving him a lot of credit for making Mike Schmidt the player he became, I think Pete got into his head in a positive way. Peter Rose bet on baseball, baseball has a zero tolerance policy relative to this, therefore no HOF for Pete
He's specifically said that he made bets ONLY as manager, not as a player, and not as a player-manager. The Dowd Report could only show evidence of betting after his retirement as a player after the 1986 season, and Rose had always insisted that his betting was limited to the period after his retirement as a player. Like you said, what's new is that evidence has come to light which has him betting in 1986, i.e., while he was still an active player.
What's more is that Jackson was never convicted, and I believe never even charged, with fixing games. The authorities had nothing on him, yet the Commissioner at the time wanted to make an example out of him so he banned him for life anyway. Such an injustice that Shoeless Joe is not in the Hall. Much worse than Rose not being there, even though I believe Rose belongs there, too.
Yes, he was charged, all eight players were charged, all got off, all were eventually banned. Since the Black Sox definitely conspired to throw the World Series, the fact that Jackson and Weaver were not convicted doesn't mean anything by itself. I tend to believe that Jackson and Weaver were not involved in the fix, but only because I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. The other six of the eight men out were definitely involved in the fix.
Well, that and the fact that betting on games was illegal. He exposed himself to blackmail in that a bookie could entice him to throw a game in exchange for not ratting on him
