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OT: Which car to get? 2011 Ford Fusion SEL or 2012 Volkswagen Jetta SE

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NedFromYork

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Here's the situation. Two days before Thanksgiving my 2007 Infiniti G35X was totaled when a driver on a suspended license heading in the opposite direction entered our lane and came at us head on. I was able to jerk over enough to take the impact on the driver rear of the car, but airbags went off and the insurance company totaled the car. No one was hurt. Btw, Safety Insurance was great and very satisfied by the payout $12,600 and service.

The Infiniti was paid off. I am close to paying off our house and don't want to add debt, just looking for something to get me through the next 3-4 years and then will treat myself to a luxury car again. Here are the two choices:

2011 Ford Fusion SEL, $9150 out the door
74,000 miles, Good Condition, 10/32 on Tires
Leather Seats, Power Seats, Heated Seats, Sync/Bluetooth Phone and Audio, Satellite Radio
http://www.rochestertoyota.net/car/519938/Used_2011_Ford_Fusion_SEL?lpid=97

2012 Volkswagen Jetta SE, $9899 out the door
89,000 Miles, Very Good Condition, Brand New Tires
Leather Seats, Heated Seats, Bluetooth Phone, Satellite Radio, Sunroof
http://www.vwofrochesternh.com/vehi...nv-and-sunroof-sedan-rochester-nh-id-11004841

Which would you go with?
 
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Fusion. My buddy has one as a company car. His personal car is a Meecedes and he talks about what a good solid car the Fusion has been. Not Mercedes nice but good and solid.
 
NedFromYork said:
Here's the situation. Two days before Thanksgiving my 2007 Infiniti G35X was totaled when a driver on a suspended license heading in the opposite direction entered our lane and came at us head on. I was able to jerk over enough to take the impact on the driver rear of the car, but airbags went off and the insurance company totaled the car. No one was hurt. Btw, Safety Insurance was great and very satisfied by the payout $12,600 and service.

The Infiniti was paid off. I am close to paying off our house and don't want to add debt, just looking for something to get me through the next 3-4 years and then will treat myself to a luxury car again. Here are the two choices:

2011 Ford Fusion SEL, $9150 out the door
74,000 miles, Good Condition, 10/32 on Tires
Leather Seats, Power Seats, Heated Seats, Sync/Bluetooth Phone and Audio, Satellite Radio

2012 Volkswagen Jetta SE, $9899 out the door
89,000 Miles, Very Good Condition, Brand New Tires
Leather Seats, Heated Seats, Bluetooth Phone, Satellite Radio, Sunroof

Which would you go with?
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Glad to hear you are doing well! Went thru a similar thing before Thanksgiving of 2014. My 05 Impala was totalled. I replaced it with a 10 Fusion SE. Sporty low profile wheels makes it fun to drive, though the 2.5 liter 4 cyl. engine isn't going to get you there fast. SEL I believe is 3.0 6Cyl. It's perfect for what I need and has a good crash test results! The SELs that I test drove were very peppy.

Good luck and keep us posted what you get.
 
NedFromYork said:
Here's the situation. Two days before Thanksgiving my 2007 Infiniti G35X was totaled when a driver on a suspended license heading in the opposite direction entered our lane and came at us head on. I was able to jerk over enough to take the impact on the driver rear of the car, but airbags went off and the insurance company totaled the car. No one was hurt. Btw, Safety Insurance was great and very satisfied by the payout $12,600 and service.

The Infiniti was paid off. I am close to paying off our house and don't want to add debt, just looking for something to get me through the next 3-4 years and then will treat myself to a luxury car again. Here are the two choices:

2011 Ford Fusion SEL, $9150 out the door
74,000 miles, Good Condition, 10/32 on Tires
Leather Seats, Power Seats, Heated Seats, Sync/Bluetooth Phone and Audio, Satellite Radio
http://www.rochestertoyota.net/car/519938/Used_2011_Ford_Fusion_SEL?lpid=97

2012 Volkswagen Jetta SE, $9899 out the door
89,000 Miles, Very Good Condition, Brand New Tires
Leather Seats, Heated Seats, Bluetooth Phone, Satellite Radio, Sunroof
http://www.vwofrochesternh.com/vehi...nv-and-sunroof-sedan-rochester-nh-id-11004841

Which would you go with?
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Fusion. My wife has one. It is 2012 with less than 20,000 miles, that we will be replacing in the spring. Ford makes the best vehicles. I have a 2013 Escape and I love it.
 
Called and went with the Fusion. Pick it up today. The Jetta was very nice, but they are pretty small, the Fusion a little bigger. I was also looking at a 2011 Taurus SEL, man they have come a long way with the Taurus, thing was like a luxury car, but priced at $11,700 and had 93,000 miles. The Fusion SEL had a "step down from Taurus" feel but a lot of similarities so a good compromise, plus the lowest mileage of the three and a GREAT price out the door.
 
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NedFromYork said:
Here's the situation. Two days before Thanksgiving my 2007 Infiniti G35X was totaled when a driver on a suspended license heading in the opposite direction entered our lane and came at us head on. I was able to jerk over enough to take the impact on the driver rear of the car, but airbags went off and the insurance company totaled the car. No one was hurt. Btw, Safety Insurance was great and very satisfied by the payout $12,600 and service.

The Infiniti was paid off. I am close to paying off our house and don't want to add debt, just looking for something to get me through the next 3-4 years and then will treat myself to a luxury car again. Here are the two choices:

2011 Ford Fusion SEL, $9150 out the door
74,000 miles, Good Condition, 10/32 on Tires
Leather Seats, Power Seats, Heated Seats, Sync/Bluetooth Phone and Audio, Satellite Radio
http://www.rochestertoyota.net/car/519938/Used_2011_Ford_Fusion_SEL?lpid=97

2012 Volkswagen Jetta SE, $9899 out the door
89,000 Miles, Very Good Condition, Brand New Tires
Leather Seats, Heated Seats, Bluetooth Phone, Satellite Radio, Sunroof
http://www.vwofrochesternh.com/vehi...nv-and-sunroof-sedan-rochester-nh-id-11004841

Which would you go with?
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It wasn't Zeke Elliott was it? A good 15 years ago I said I would NEVER by a Ford/Mercury product after having problems with our Sable, but I understand there has been a lot of improvement in reliability since then. I also know someone with a Passat who says he can never come out of inspection under $800, so you most likely made the better choice.
 
NedFromYork said:
Here's the situation. Two days before Thanksgiving my 2007 Infiniti G35X was totaled when a driver on a suspended license heading in the opposite direction entered our lane and came at us head on. I was able to jerk over enough to take the impact on the driver rear of the car, but airbags went off and the insurance company totaled the car. No one was hurt. Btw, Safety Insurance was great and very satisfied by the payout $12,600 and service.

The Infiniti was paid off. I am close to paying off our house and don't want to add debt, just looking for something to get me through the next 3-4 years and then will treat myself to a luxury car again. Here are the two choices:

2011 Ford Fusion SEL, $9150 out the door
74,000 miles, Good Condition, 10/32 on Tires
Leather Seats, Power Seats, Heated Seats, Sync/Bluetooth Phone and Audio, Satellite Radio
http://www.rochestertoyota.net/car/519938/Used_2011_Ford_Fusion_SEL?lpid=97

2012 Volkswagen Jetta SE, $9899 out the door
89,000 Miles, Very Good Condition, Brand New Tires
Leather Seats, Heated Seats, Bluetooth Phone, Satellite Radio, Sunroof
http://www.vwofrochesternh.com/vehi...nv-and-sunroof-sedan-rochester-nh-id-11004841

Which would you go with?
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I would go with the Fusion.
I have an 04 turbo Jetta with 130,000 miles on it. The engine is a champ but
I think the inside and attatchments are pretty chinzy and cheaply made.
I am the only driver and it has way more wear and tear than it should.
Also repair and general Maint. on VW's is pretty expensive.
Am glad everyone was ok. Sounds like the Infinity is pretty well made car.
Thats one thing I will say about the Jetta its has a lot of airbags and is a pretty solid car and
it does well in the snow.
 
NedFromYork said:
Here's the situation. Two days before Thanksgiving my 2007 Infiniti G35X was totaled when a driver on a suspended license heading in the opposite direction entered our lane and came at us head on. I was able to jerk over enough to take the impact on the driver rear of the car, but airbags went off and the insurance company totaled the car. No one was hurt. Btw, Safety Insurance was great and very satisfied by the payout $12,600 and service.

The Infiniti was paid off. I am close to paying off our house and don't want to add debt, just looking for something to get me through the next 3-4 years and then will treat myself to a luxury car again. Here are the two choices:

2011 Ford Fusion SEL, $9150 out the door
74,000 miles, Good Condition, 10/32 on Tires
Leather Seats, Power Seats, Heated Seats, Sync/Bluetooth Phone and Audio, Satellite Radio
http://www.rochestertoyota.net/car/519938/Used_2011_Ford_Fusion_SEL?lpid=97

2012 Volkswagen Jetta SE, $9899 out the door
89,000 Miles, Very Good Condition, Brand New Tires
Leather Seats, Heated Seats, Bluetooth Phone, Satellite Radio, Sunroof
http://www.vwofrochesternh.com/vehi...nv-and-sunroof-sedan-rochester-nh-id-11004841

Which would you go with?
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Both options are pretty solid, though that red Jetta has an accident lurking in its past, so were it me i'd be up-n-down that thang looking to determine the severity of the accident(s) and how well the repair was done. ...the VW 2.5 5cyl is , along with the sweet VR6, the only VW power-plants I'd consider (always leery of their 1.8t and 2.0t, no longer much an advocate of the TDI, still love the VR6 ) it's a boat-anchor and no screamer - but like demlion it's throaty, old and dirt-simple.

Fusion is solid, i put 170k on a FoMoCo Duratec V6 and while it is a design from the early nineties (Porsche-developed, in fact!) it's a great mill... Mine was running perfect when i sold it, no timing belt to worry about! Be mindful that this particular fusion soldiered its first 30k as a rental/fleet unit in OK, something that might have me leaning toward the Jetter...

It would really come down to testdrives and going over each vehicle with a microscope... I always crossreference the VIN with the bar-coded labels on the doors/bonnet/boot to evaluate the integrity of the vehicle... I look all four tires to make certain they are matched and the DOT / mfr date codes are decent... Look for tell-tale signs of structural repairs (Many accidents never make it onto Carfax, do not pin all of your hopes on it), ask for ALL documentation... That Jetta has been rotting on their lot since September from what I see in those pics... Be aggressive accordingly... No one else wants it!
 
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GregInPitt said:
If I were you I would get on Craig's List and find a car with lower mileage.
I spen 2 minutes on CR and found this Jetta SE / leather, with under 36k miles for $9K asking price. Take $8500 and go get it!

https://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/cto/5389818324.html
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Ummmm. That's called FSBO vs. a dealer sale, likewise 500mi from NH.... No sunroof, Naturally it's going to be a better price (though, that's exactly what I'd do!)
 
massimoManca II said:
Ummmm. That's called FSBO vs. a dealer sale, likewise 500mi from NH.... No sunroof, Naturally it's going to be a better price (though, that's exactly what I'd do!)
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When I look for a car (from Pittsburgh) I usually look on the CL sites for other cities such as DC, Columbus.... I believe I could find one with a sunroof if that's what he wants. But low mileage is what I look for in an every day car I plan to keep. I would also consider buying the example I found and then just have a sunroof installed. There are after market sunroof installers in every city, just like having leather interior put in which I have done a number of times (and you get to pick the color of the leather from 100's of choices - I put 2 tone red/graphite in a red Vibe in 2005).

Yes it dealer vs private party, but the 35.5K vehicle may have dealer warranty left, and I'd bet I could get it for $8500 which is 1500 less for a car with 60K less miles.... Not much choice for me. Start with 80 $100 bills. Cash is king....
 
Nashville Lion said:
I would say Fusion...have not heard good things about reliability of VW cars.
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How many Fusions are on the road with 150K miles? I believe you have a better chance with the VW. But if I was considering cars with 75-90K miles that I planned to keep for 3-4 years, I'd be looking for a Honda (Accord) or Toyota (Camry) as Honda's and Toyota's have proven that if maintained they go to 200K+.
 
NedFromYork said:
Here's the situation. Two days before Thanksgiving my 2007 Infiniti G35X was totaled when a driver on a suspended license heading in the opposite direction entered our lane and came at us head on. I was able to jerk over enough to take the impact on the driver rear of the car, but airbags went off and the insurance company totaled the car. No one was hurt. Btw, Safety Insurance was great and very satisfied by the payout $12,600 and service.

The Infiniti was paid off. I am close to paying off our house and don't want to add debt, just looking for something to get me through the next 3-4 years and then will treat myself to a luxury car again. Here are the two choices:

2011 Ford Fusion SEL, $9150 out the door
74,000 miles, Good Condition, 10/32 on Tires
Leather Seats, Power Seats, Heated Seats, Sync/Bluetooth Phone and Audio, Satellite Radio
http://www.rochestertoyota.net/car/519938/Used_2011_Ford_Fusion_SEL?lpid=97

2012 Volkswagen Jetta SE, $9899 out the door
89,000 Miles, Very Good Condition, Brand New Tires
Leather Seats, Heated Seats, Bluetooth Phone, Satellite Radio, Sunroof
http://www.vwofrochesternh.com/vehi...nv-and-sunroof-sedan-rochester-nh-id-11004841

Which would you go with?
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Fusion, had one good car
 
GregInPitt said:
How many Fusions are on the road with 150K miles? I believe you have a better chance with the VW. But if I was considering cars with 75-90K miles that I planned to keep for 3-4 years, I'd be looking for a Honda (Accord) or Toyota (Camry) as Honda's and Toyota's have proven that if maintained they go to 200K+.
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I'd say there are TONS of Fusions wth 150k+ , just like there were (are) tons of old Taurus' racking up high miles... Just like there are tons of Impalas and Malibus with 150+... Though of any (non-TDI) VW that will reliably tickle 150k it's that old 2.5 5cyl. Btw, it's not 1990 anymore - no way would I be taking a contemporary sedan down to Ziebart and have some shithead sawzall a hole in my roof. EnnEffDubbya
 
Know nothing about the fusion but not impressed with more recent Jettas. I had a 2003 Jetta and loved it. Almost no maintenance and lasted 11 years before engine died. When I took it to a mechanic who specialized in foreign cars he said to not buy a new Jetta as a replacement. VW replaced a lot of the metal with plastic and are pretty cheaply made now. Noticed that the Jetta ratings online had really dropped for that class of car.

Ended up buying a Mazda 3. Love it.
 
rutgersal said:
Smart choice. I commend you for avoiding debt.
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Couldn't agree more. So many people get in way over their heads with cars they can't afford. In regard to the interior of the Fusion being a step down from the Taurus ... no doubt. Within the past year I've had to replace two interior door handles on mine. Made of cheap plastic and have to be careful not to yank on em. Easy to replace yourself however and only cost $40. But it serves my needs very nicely. I will be looking at used Taurus in years to come when shopping for my next used car.
 
massimoManca II said:
I'd say there are TONS of Fusions wth 150k+ , just like there were (are) tons of old Taurus' racking up high miles... Just like there are tons of Impalas and Malibus with 150+... Though of any (non-TDI) VW that will reliably tickle 150k it's that old 2.5 5cyl. Btw, it's not 1990 anymore - no way would I be taking a contemporary sedan down to Ziebart and have some shithead sawzall a hole in my roof. EnnEffDubbya
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Nice try with the "I'd say...." which tells me that you don't have experience but are just talking to defend your love of Fords. I have actually owned a number of Honda products that eclipsed 150K miles, and in one case had an Acura that I bought used with 26K and ran it until 226K without any issues excect normal mtc - oil, brakes, and a timing belt replacement.

You are right that it's not 1990 any longer. FYI, dealers that sell new cars to their customers in many cases take these new cars to the specialty shops I was referring to, to have sunroofs installed. Just like they do leather interiors. They are not shitheads, but professionals that do the installations every day and are good at it and stand behind their work.
 
GregInPitt said:
Nice try with the "I'd say...." which tells me that you don't have experience but are just talking to defend your love of Fords. I have actually owned a number of Honda products that eclipsed 150K miles, and in one case had an Acura that I bought used with 26K and ran it until 226K without any issues excect normal mtc - oil, brakes, and a timing belt replacement.

You are right that it's not 1990 any longer. FYI, dealers that sell new cars to their customers in many cases take these new cars to the specialty shops I was referring to, to have sunroofs installed. Just like they do leather interiors. They are not shitheads, but professionals that do the installations every day and are good at it and stand behind their work.
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I research both the new and secondary markets constantly and have represented many in their private-party car-purchase quests... I am astonished by the number of used cars, domestics in particular, that sport crazy odometer readings while looking so relatively fresh... Something hardly ever seen ten years ago. I know what to look for and what to stay away from, particularly when I can put my hands on it and look under it. I am not a wrench-turner, so I do not pretend to offer expert mechanical advice, but i enjoy helping friends and family make the best decisions possible. I am HARDLY a Ford fan-boy, in fact I've never owned a Ford, but it'd be foolish to dismiss the Fusion as anything less-than-competitive... Earth to Gregg - These are not Tempos and Windstars they are producing now ... Yippee, you are one among millions of us who have racked up bookoo miles on a Honda (welcome to the century club!) but if you think Honda & Toyota remain light-years ahead of the domestics like they were in the 80s/90s/00s - you're deluded. Look no further at interiors, I've watched the domestics surpass the Japs in interior design and material and switchgear tactile-quality in the past eight years, and it's great. I have owned Honda, Toyota, Subaru and Mazda, and enjoyed the experience, but HoA (inc. Acura) has been infected with the bean-counter bug in the last 15yrs (read Bob Lutz's book, if you haven't already) ...

One of the watchouts I look for is aftermarket alterations and I hold third-party sunroofs on the same low-shelf as aero body-kits, faux carriage tops, cold air intakes and Altezza taillights. Yeah, i know how to spot them, and I'm not talking about the $275 same day pop up / pop out sunroofs in a '88 Civic. There are some models (albeit fewer now than in the 00's) with roof-stampings that were never enginereed to be cut-out for a sunroof (GD01 and GE 08 Honda Fit, for example) and i would not recommend a vehicle altered as such. Otherwise these mods are relatively few and far between in the car segments i typically prowl. I am certainly aware of the features added by specialty shops, friends of mine are in the business, but they make their living not on an occasional aftermarket sunroof, but primarily on bolt-on accessories on light-duty trucks these days.
 
Fusion is terrible car. Front wheels spin in rain and snow. Car has trouble getting traction even with brand new tires. They are also fire hazards. A friend had one catch on fire while driving on highway. Car had less than 5,000 miles. There have been recalls for various issues.

The touch screen radio/climate control system is unreliable. Don't expect to easily switch stations or adjust temp while driving. The screen requires repeated touches before it responds. This causes distraction and frustration. Unsafe. I would NEVER encourage anyone to buy this piece of garbage.
 
massimoManca II said:
I research both the new and secondary markets constantly and have represented many in their private-party car-purchase quests... I am astonished by the number of used cars, domestics in particular, that sport crazy odometer readings while looking so relatively fresh... Something hardly ever seen ten years ago. I know what to look for and what to stay away from, particularly when I can put my hands on it and look under it. I am not a wrench-turner, so I do not pretend to offer expert mechanical advice, but i enjoy helping friends and family make the best decisions possible. I am HARDLY a Ford fan-boy, in fact I've never owned a Ford, but it'd be foolish to dismiss the Fusion as anything less-than-competitive... Earth to Gregg - These are not Tempos and Windstars they are producing now ... Yippee, you are one among millions of us who have racked up bookoo miles on a Honda (welcome to the century club!) but if you think Honda & Toyota remain light-years ahead of the domestics like they were in the 80s/90s/00s - you're deluded. Look no further at interiors, I've watched the domestics surpass the Japs in interior design and material and switchgear tactile-quality in the past eight years, and it's great. I have owned Honda, Toyota, Subaru and Mazda, and enjoyed the experience, but HoA (inc. Acura) has been infected with the bean-counter bug in the last 15yrs (read Bob Lutz's book, if you haven't already) ...

One of the watchouts I look for is aftermarket alterations and I hold third-party sunroofs on the same low-shelf as aero body-kits, faux carriage tops, cold air intakes and Altezza taillights. Yeah, i know how to spot them, and I'm not talking about the $275 same day pop up / pop out sunroofs in a '88 Civic. There are some models (albeit fewer now than in the 00's) with roof-stampings that were never enginereed to be cut-out for a sunroof (GD01 and GE 08 Honda Fit, for example) and i would not recommend a vehicle altered as such. Otherwise these mods are relatively few and far between in the car segments i typically prowl. I am certainly aware of the features added by specialty shops, friends of mine are in the business, but they make their living not on an occasional aftermarket sunroof, but primarily on bolt-on accessories on light-duty trucks these days.
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Earth to MM: I realize you are a self proclaimed know-it-all regarding used cars, but there are actually other people that have had practical experience. And as you likely know but failed to mention, there are professional installers that dealers use and stand behind as well as "Ziebart"... as "dealer installed" leather interiors are also not actually installed by the dealers, but instead installed by qualified professional installers. I have not owned a car with dealer installed sunroof, but did go to a "dealer qualified" installer and had leather installed with which I was very satisfied. This installer was a big company, multi-city, and also installed sun roofs. You can write a book and make inferences with "if you think" statements that do not have anything to do with what I actually said (for example, I did not say Honda's were light years ahead...) , ... have fun.
 
GregInPitt said:
Earth to MM: I realize you are a self proclaimed know-it-all regarding used cars, but there are actually other people that have had practical experience. And as you likely know but failed to mention, there are professional installers that dealers use and stand behind as well as "Ziebart"... as "dealer installed" leather interiors are also not actually installed by the dealers, but instead installed by qualified professional installers. I have not owned a car with dealer installed sunroof, but did go to a "dealer qualified" installer and had leather installed with which I was very satisfied. This installer was a big company, multi-city, and also installed sun roofs. You can write a book and make inferences with "if you think" statements that do not have anything to do with what I actually said (for example, I did not say Honda's were light years ahead...) , ... have fun.
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I'm an internet auto-know-it-all in the same vein that everyone else on this board has an opinion with regard to PSU athletics and CFB.

You were the one who asked me how many Fusions are out the with 150+ k , "i'd say" means I do not have access to exact numbers.... though for giggles I just ran a quick Autotrader query and whuddyaknow? there are as many 150k+ Fusions as there are Jettas within 100mi radis of Pittsburgh PA... Is that better? Still not sure where you're reading my man-crush for Fords...

Thanks for the condescending explanation of how "dealer-installed options" work.... Just sayin' that when I'm looking at a PRE-OWNED vehicle for someone and i see a leather interior in , let's say, an LX Accord, LX Civic (or anything other than a EX-L or Touring) or a Mazda 3i, i need to determine WHY. And that's a red flag to me, first thing I think is "potential flood car" .. Call me aspergery but I typically know, by mfr, which trim-levels we packaged with OEM sunroofs and OEM hides...
 
GregInPitt said:
Nice try with the "I'd say...." which tells me that you don't have experience but are just talking to defend your love of Fords. I have actually owned a number of Honda products that eclipsed 150K miles, and in one case had an Acura that I bought used with 26K and ran it until 226K without any issues excect normal mtc - oil, brakes, and a timing belt replacement.

You are right that it's not 1990 any longer. FYI, dealers that sell new cars to their customers in many cases take these new cars to the specialty shops I was referring to, to have sunroofs installed. Just like they do leather interiors. They are not shitheads, but professionals that do the installations every day and are good at it and stand behind their work.
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Let me give you some knowledge from someone close to the industry:

There are a metric shit ton more Fusions on the road with 150k+ than VWs made since 2009-2010.

How's that?
 
massimoManca II said:
I'm an internet auto-know-it-all in the same vein that everyone else on this board has an opinion with regard to PSU athletics and CFB.

You were the one who asked me how many Fusions are out the with 150+ k , "i'd say" means I do not have access to exact numbers.... though for giggles I just ran a quick Autotrader query and whuddyaknow? there are as many 150k+ Fusions as there are Jettas within 100mi radis of Pittsburgh PA... Is that better? Still not sure where you're reading my man-crush for Fords...

Thanks for the condescending explanation of how "dealer-installed options" work.... Just sayin' that when I'm looking at a PRE-OWNED vehicle for someone and i see a leather interior in , let's say, an LX Accord, LX Civic (or anything other than a EX-L or Touring) or a Mazda 3i, i need to determine WHY. And that's a red flag to me, first thing I think is "potential flood car" .. Call me aspergery but I typically know, by mfr, which trim-levels we packaged with OEM sunroofs and OEM hides...
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"I'd say" is what you say when you should not say.....

Just sayin' is another condescending comment that causes those that use it to lose credibility....

I don't buy from small dealers, the type that may be potential re-sellers of flood vehicles. My experience is with private parties where it can be verified that they are the original owners and the service records and vehicle history is sound.

Your crush on Fords was evident by the way you defended when there was nothing to defend.

Have a nice day!!
 
GregInPitt said:
"I'd say" is what you say when you should not say.....

Just sayin' is another condescending comment that causes those that use it to lose credibility....

I don't buy from small dealers, the type that may be potential re-sellers of flood vehicles. My experience is with private parties where it can be verified that they are the original owners and the service records and vehicle history is sound.

Your crush on Fords was evident by the way you defended when there was nothing to defend.

Have a nice day!!
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You don't buy from small dealers.......yet you buy from private parties (Craigslist from hudnreds of miles away) and (I assume) large dealerships.

Good luck with that, bro. It's going to catch up with you.
 
ThePennsyOracle said:
Let me give you some knowledge from someone close to the industry:

There are a metric shit ton more Fusions on the road with 150k+ than VWs made since 2009-2010.

How's that?
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Thanks, but my experience and recommendation was towards Honda products, as I have multiple vehicle experiences with them going 150k-230k with no mechanical issues. I did not recommend VW's.

What I did recommend was going for a car (any make) with less mileage, and since the OP was looking at VW's I found one with lower mileage and recommended that if he liked VW's that he could find one with lower mileage.

Do you have a man crush on Fords as well? Defending something that was not under attack.....

Wouldn't it be natural to have more Fusions with 150K since there were many more sold to begin with? If you are doing a research paper it may be more enlightening to look at it on a percentage basis. But then again, I advocated a car with less mileage to start with.
 
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GregInPitt said:
Thanks, but my experience and recommendation was towards Honda products, as I have multiple vehicle experiences with them going 150k-230k with no mechanical issues. I did not recommend VW's.

What I did recommend was going for a car (any make) with less mileage, and since the OP was looking at VW's I found one with lower mileage and recommended that if he liked VW's that he could find one with lower mileage.

Do you have a man crush on Fords as well? Defending something that was not under attach.....

Wouldn't it be natural to have more Fusions with 150K since there were many more sold to begin with? If you are doing a research paper it may be more enlightening to look at it on a percentage basis. But then again, I advocated a car with less mileage to start with.
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I own a Hyundai, thank you.

You're arguing with someone who has spent 30 years in and around the business.

VW has been churning out shit for quite some time--end of story, you're wrong, deal with it.
 
GregInPitt said:
Thanks, but my experience and recommendation was towards Honda products, as I have multiple vehicle experiences with them going 150k-230k with no mechanical issues. I did not recommend VW's.

What I did recommend was going for a car (any make) with less mileage, and since the OP was looking at VW's I found one with lower mileage and recommended that if he liked VW's that he could find one with lower

Do you have a man crush on Fords as well? Defending something that was not under attach.....

Wouldn't it be natural to have more Fusions with 150K since there were many more sold to begin with?
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Fusion has Been in production since ummm '06 or so? Jetta has been in VW stable here in NA since '78 iirc.
I suspect there are probably as many or more Jettas ... Keep blindly believing that Honda is far above their competition, that's what they've been living on (and this is from me, a "Honda guy") ... By the looks of the snoozer product they've given us in the past ten years (I'm lookin at you Crosstour, 2011 Civic, dreadfully average Acura sedans, failure prone a/c. units, noisy chain-driven L series engines, CR-Z that nobody wants, Insight that they botched ... De-contented interiors and cheaper interior bits) , the fact that they have lost their huge edge is clear. Again, this is coming from a guy who still recommends Certain honda models, but I am aware enough to know that not every crap they push out is made of pure gold.
 
ThePennsyOracle said:
I own a Hyundai, thank you.

You're arguing with someone who has spent 30 years in and around the business.

VW has been churning out shit for quite some time--end of story, you're wrong, deal with it.
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Read what I said, not what you would like to argue with. I don't won VW's! The OP seemed to like them.

Deal with it.
 
GregInPitt said:
Thanks, but my experience and recommendation was towards Honda products, as I have multiple vehicle experiences with them going 150k-230k with no mechanical issues. I did not recommend VW's.

What I did recommend was going for a car (any make) with less mileage, and since the OP was looking at VW's I found one with lower mileage and recommended that if he liked VW's that he could find one with lower mileage.

Do you have a man crush on Fords as well? Defending something that was not under attack.....

Wouldn't it be natural to have more Fusions with 150K since there were many more sold to begin with? If you are doing a research paper it may be more enlightening to look at it on a percentage basis. But then again, I advocated a car with less mileage to start with.
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indeed - Gregg found a Jetta for less money and mileage... 600mi away... from a private seller, no less Wow, huge help ;)
 
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indeed - Gregg found a Jetta for less money and mileage... 600mi away... from a private seller, no less Wow, huge help ;)
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U seem to have a comprehension problem, but I'll flail away once again. My point was that I would go for a lower mileage car, whatever make and model he decides on. And that they are available on CL for the prices he was quoting.

I'm sure the OP has about as much appreciation and respect for you that I do. None.

Maybe he'll even "ignore" you like I'm going to.....o_O
 
OP Had so much appreciation and respect for you and your brilliant suggestion - you know, the one where you tell him to act fast and grab that cheaper VW Jetta 600mi away in Pittsburgh - that he immediately decided to go with the Ford. Nice work :)

FYI: just Found a CHEAPER, LOWER MI. Jetta on Craigslist.... Did I mention it was conveniently located in Orem, Utah? "Go get it!" (Bring a Sawzall!)

https://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/cto/5392878039.html






GregInPitt said:
U seem to have a comprehension problem, but I'll flail away once again. My point was that I would go for a lower mileage car, whatever make and model he decides on. And that they are available on CL for the prices he was quoting.

I'm sure the OP has about as much appreciation and respect for you that I do. None.

Maybe he'll even "ignore" you like I'm going to.....o_O
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