What if we lose out and go 0-3 from here out? You people would still keep chambers? That would be 5-16 with OOC losses to DePaul and Bradley etc. you people don’t have any standards. Not you directly...pat defenders in general
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But 5-5 in our last 10...should .500 ball over 10 games at the end of a season save a coach?
You ask what we would do, but it’s based upon what Sandy would do or not do to replace Chambers. If someone could guarantee that a proven winner or hot, young up and comer type coach would be brought in then virtually all of us defending Pat would be on board with letting him go. Right now it’s the devil we know being better than the devil we don’t.
It’s a really simple question. Don’t overthink it. You don’t get the answers to the exam before you take the exam.
If it were me, I’d be figuring out what budget I have available, working the back channels to see what type of interest I’d have, and go from there.
I wouldn’t fire Pat this month to hire John Becker or Tim Cluess. I would to hire Nate Oats or Bo Ryan.
Not that I have ever heard, but he's a Philly boy. I would love bringing Thad Matta out of "retirement" (he never retired, but he's currently not coaching)
He’s been quiet as of late, but about a year ago, he said that he’s not sure if he’s done coaching. If he’s ever going to give it one more run, it’ll have to be in the next year or two. He’s 71, but didn’t get to go out on his own terms at Wisconsin.
Why did he go out in Wisconsin? Was it something like a masseuse or something bob Kraft situation I remember hearing vaguely? I would love Bo Ryan or Thad Matta patrolling our sidelines.
Sandy “status quo” Barber doesn’t like to hire coaches. No way she shakes up both b-ball programs because she can’t change coaches in one without changing the other....
Oats rejected $2,000,000 overture from Pitt. Would Sandy go more than that and would he every consider a crap Big Ten job with virtually no commitment from Admin? Doubt both.
Supposedly had a several year affair with a woman claiming he spent university money on her while taking her on recruiting trips among other disparaging things including his character.
Update (3:32 p.m.): Bo Ryan provided a statement to ESPN’s Andy Katz, calling his affair a “mistake” that was unrelated to his retirement, which was timed “intentionally to assure that Greg Gard got his hard-earned opportunity to coach the University of Wisconsin basketball team.” Ryan also said that after he informed the university about his affair, he “encouraged them to review any activity to assure them that no University resources were misused.”
https://deadspin.com/wisconsin-investigated-bo-ryan-after-extramarital-affai-1762792798
I think you have to evaluate it after the season is over. Whether he wins or loses these last couple are just a couple final data points to determine what should happen. Up to this point the last 6-8 games has saved his job for now, in my opinion, but the season isn't complete. The improvement with this team is pretty impressive and Chambers deserves a large amount of credit for that. There were large periods of time where PSU looked better than Wisconsin, Purdue (at home) and Ohio State. They weren't just hanging in there, they looked like the better team. Why they are not good enough to start each season is another topic. The finish of games is still atrocious. Some bad breaks, some youthfulness, some bad coaching. If feels like the program is stuck where the football team was in the first half of 2016 and they can't make that breakthrough into being a great.. not elite.. team.
I've read a lot of Pat's defenders (I'm kinda agnostic on the subject) say that he should be kept because of the disaster he inherited, the lack of administrative support, the lack of fan support, can't get players to want to play in Central PA, the sun is in his eyes, his shoe lace is untied, and on and on and on, and any replacement would be hard pressed to do better. And they go on to say that he's done a great job in light of those "facts."
Okay, if all that is true, I have this question: Since Pat has done so much with so little, he must have a bunch of other schools knocking on his door with big paychecks to come and coach their school's team, right?
Ponder that.
Okay, if all that is true, I have this question: Since Pat has done so much with so little, he must have a bunch of other schools knocking on his door with big paychecks to come and coach their school's team, right?
Ponder that.
Care to point us to all of those posts in the past few months that said that Pat has done a “great” job? (Or a least a few of them)
C'mon they're there. If you want to change great to good, go ahead. Same question.
I believe that it had something to do with rumors that he was dating a cheerleader. I may be way off, though.
Rumor has it she's willing to spend/the amount of money earmarked is about $2.5 mil on the next coach
Honestly I feel like the ability to pay assistants a high salary is a much bigger deal than the HC salary.
I look at the assistants Pat has and I am not so sure he’s able to pay his staff a competitive wage.
The buyout is standard. Not even Barbour is stupid enough to fu.........well, maybe she is.
The $2.5 mil is just for the HC .... the assistants would be paid accordingly as well and wouldn't be on the cheap. The funds are there ... just a matter of if she wants to make the move this year or next since she'll probably already be replacing Coquese shortly now that their season is done.
My feelings are similar. Thought that Chambers would be gone if he went 0 fer the Big Ten. Now it could go either way. His record is poor enough to justify a firing, but I'm not sure that it's so bad that Barbour is willing to eat his buyout and pay a new coach more than double what he makes.
Any competent AD should be able to handle replacing two basketball coaches at the same time (and would already have things in the works for weeks if that were the intent), but then it's Barbour. You'd think she'd have learned from being on the verge of a debacle when she replaced Ben Braun.
Pitt managed to find the money last off-season to buy out both their MBB and WBB coaches, and was able to find what looks like an upgrade in both departments. No reason to think that an athletic department with the additional resources that ours has wouldn’t be able to do the same if Sandy so desires.
My guess is that Coquese is gone and Pat is back with a spot on the hottest seat in the country next year. But that’s just a guess.
Pitt found the money in a little place called "Tuition."
But you're right. PSU has the financial resources to buy out Chambers and pay a new coach considerably more. I just think that there's something in Barbour's makeup that causes her to be gun shy, otherwise she would have fired Chambers before last year.
Oh, and I agree. Washington is gone (that's an easy one) and Chambers stays.
Disagree completely. With the team coming back last year and our recruiting momentum, it would have been a very questionable move to fire him at that time.
I’d see this off-season as the first logical time to think about firing him (unless of course you’ve got a Pegula ready to come in and transform the program).
The rumor I’ve heard here in Pittsburgh is that a not small amount of Stallings’ buyout may have been financed by the new owner of the Carolina Panthers who apparently is a long-time basketball booster.
And even still, isn’t their tuition lower than Penn State’s? That’s a whole new revenue pot Sandy’s missing out on!
There were opportunities before the beginning of last season and if, as psualum10 suggests, Barbour wants to put her imprint on basketball a returning team and recruiting momentum would have amounted to spit.
