Penn State wrestling tidbits

[amalone]

Per TOS and a poster on their site: This is his information... not mine. I merely wanted to share his information which may be of value to The Wrestling Room regulars.

Per this poster: Take the information he supplied as you want.

McCutcheon was a full-go today and may be ready for Nebraska. Cassar was back in the wrestling room today, but not in school yet. Phipps is thinking heavyweight and this is possible in the near future.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

I'd rather Matt sit one more week, but good news obviously

 

[manmythlegend1]

Phipps at heavy...wow...isn't he a 184 when he cuts to his "go" weight....anyone know what Phipps walks around at?

 

[RoarLions1]

I'm curious...why? And seriously...just asking. (EDIT: Sorry, mml snuck in a post...this one is related to Chickenman's...thanks).

I've read comments from several posters here and on Scout that Jimmy, or Matt, or ____ (fill in the blank with any dinged-up guy), that our wrestler should be kept out another match, or another week, or another couple weeks, whatever. I'm also around our wrestling fans ALOT, very few that post or even read these forums, and they make similar comments.

Dan Monthly is absolutely the best there is, I'll put him up against anyone in the country. Do we not trust him and the coaches to make the best decision possible?

And CT, this isn't about your post. I'm trying to paint a broader picture, wondering why the comments are made. I get the "this is a message board" thing, looking for something a little deeper.

 

[BruceK-PSU83]

I'm curious...why? And seriously...just asking. (EDIT: Sorry, mml snuck in a post...this one is related to Chickenman's...thanks).

I've read comments from several posters here and on Scout that Jimmy, or Matt, or ____ (fill in the blank with any dinged-up guy), that our wrestler should be kept out another match, or another week, or another couple weeks, whatever. I'm also around our wrestling fans ALOT, very few that post or even read these forums, and they make similar comments.

Dan Monthly is absolutely the best there is, I'll put him up against anyone in the country. Do we not trust him and the coaches to make the best decision possible?

And CT, this isn't about your post. I'm trying to paint a broader picture, wondering why the comments are made. I get the "this is a message board" thing, looking for something a little deeper.

It's rather obvious, isn't it? Such comments/questions are a natural reaction to situations such as:

• Gullibon wrestles poorly at the Scuffle, and Sanderson subsequently states that he (Gullibon) is still clearly favoring his ankle.
• Cutch injures his back and sits out a couple weeks to recover. He then wrestles at the Scuffle and is force to MFF, apparently due to re-aggravating the same injury.

 

[PSUAllTheWay]

If Cutch (or anybody) is going full bore in the room, there is no reason for him not to wrestle in matches. Competition in the room is as strong as anywhere and is a good first test. Could he re-injure himself in a match? Sure but could do it in the room just as easily.

 

[PSU22]

Heck of a lot riding on Matt being able to complete two intense tournaments at the end of the season, that's all. TJ Dudley isn't exactly an easy out either as David Taylor knows from Midlands finals.

 

[manmythlegend1]

If Cutch (or anybody) is going full bore in the room, there is no reason for him not to wrestle in matches. Competition in the room is as strong as anywhere and is a good first test. Could he re-injure himself in a match? Sure but could do it in the room just as easily.

I agree with 95% of what you say, the Penn State Practice room has got to be a meat grinder for any wrestler...but Practice is practice...I do not think in any sport it is equal to the intensity of the real thing. This is definitely debatable but the intensity of a real match in my opinion can only be duplicated in the wrestling room with a wrestle off....and even then the familiarity with the opponent can make it not really the same as a real match....only opinion...not saying I am right

 

[Chickenman Testa]

I'm curious...why? And seriously...just asking. (EDIT: Sorry, mml snuck in a post...this one is related to Chickenman's...thanks).

I've read comments from several posters here and on Scout that Jimmy, or Matt, or ____ (fill in the blank with any dinged-up guy), that our wrestler should be kept out another match, or another week, or another couple weeks, whatever. I'm also around our wrestling fans ALOT, very few that post or even read these forums, and they make similar comments.

Dan Monthly is absolutely the best there is, I'll put him up against anyone in the country. Do we not trust him and the coaches to make the best decision possible?

And CT, this isn't about your post. I'm trying to paint a broader picture, wondering why the comments are made. I get the "this is a message board" thing, looking for something a little deeper.

Sorry for the delay - pesky work got in the way. I think Bruce and the other guys touched on some of the concerns. I know with a sport like this that no one is completely "healthy" at the end of the season or wrestles without being dinged up. In addition, I'm not (or try not to be) the "I told you so guy" who always questions coaches and others who know a hell of a lot more about a given situation than your typical fan - you can find about 50 of those on the football board, but back injuries are goofy and I'd prefer he just get a little extra rest.

I haven't said this about Jimmy because I sprained my ankles about 15 times from the age of 15-25 (my most active years) - the majority of these Grade 1 and 2, but some grade 3 sprains), and the ankle joint just seems to feel more stable even when dinged up than the knee for example. I felt way more comfortable getting back to an activity after an ankle injury than a similar knee injury.

Getting back to Matt's situation, I had similar episodes of back spasms and they lay you the hell out - they scare me to be honest so that's why I'm saying what I'm saying. Believe me, I think the news about Matt is good news.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Per TOS and a poster on their site: This is his information... not mine. I merely wanted to share his information which may be of value to The Wrestling Room regulars.

Per this poster: Take the information he supplied as you want.

McCutcheon was a full-go today and may be ready for Nebraska. Cassar was back in the wrestling room today, but not in school yet. Phipps is thinking heavyweight and this is possible in the near future.

I have no idea how the poster represented his info, but it's basically what was posted online by Penn Live in their article which went up on their site last night. I thought of posting a link to the article then, but decided to hold off for today's Articles For post.

I would hope that the poster gave appropriate credit for his info to the source.

 

[Hartzie]

I have no idea how the poster represented his info, but it's basically what was posted online by Penn Live in their article which went up on their site last night. I thought of posting a link to the article then, but decided to hold off for today's Articles For post.

I would hope that the poster gave appropriate credit for his info to the source.

Why did you decide not to post it as an "article for Wednesday"?

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Why did you decide not to post it as an "article for Wednesday"?

LOL, I'm having a tough morning. I've edited by Articles For post from today from Tuesday to Wednesday. Thanks

 

[PSUAllTheWay]

I agree with 95% of what you say, the Penn State Practice room has got to be a meat grinder for any wrestler...but Practice is practice...I do not think in any sport it is equal to the intensity of the real thing. This is definitely debatable but the intensity of a real match in my opinion can only be duplicated in the wrestling room with a wrestle off....and even then the familiarity with the opponent can make it not really the same as a real match....only opinion...not saying I am right

I agree. But I think this supports the notion that if you're fine in the room, the next step is to get out for a real match as that's your next test. Time for a match for Cutch.

 

[lionlover]

I agree with 95% of what you say, the Penn State Practice room has got to be a meat grinder for any wrestler...but Practice is practice...I do not think in any sport it is equal to the intensity of the real thing. This is definitely debatable but the intensity of a real match in my opinion can only be duplicated in the wrestling room with a wrestle off....and even then the familiarity with the opponent can make it not really the same as a real match....only opinion...not saying I am right

Iverson and I feel you bro!

 

[jack66]

It also sounds a lot like what Cael said at the Coaches show Wednesday.

Other tidbits.
Phipps is at about 210.
Nevills is eligible for a Med RS, but Cael has not given up on his return. Said probably wouldn't put Nevills in the Big Tens cold if he can't wrestle a few duals before hand.

Sorry if this has already been discussed.

 

[NittanyChris]

Of course the team doctors and coaches know far more about Cutch's injury and rehab than us mere message board posters.
The general thought behind proceeding with ultra caution is the possibility that a healthy Cutch may be the difference between winning another title and coming in second.
If one believes that, then the proper course would be to be very cautious in choosing a return date and then push it back a week after that.

 

[Lattner]

Thanks.

 

[RoarLions1]

Of course the team doctors and coaches know far more about Cutch's injury and rehab than us mere message board posters.
The general thought behind proceeding with ultra caution is the possibility that a healthy Cutch may be the difference between winning another title and coming in second.
If one believes that, then the proper course would be to be very cautious in choosing a return date and then push it back a week after that.

The doctors, athletic trainers and coaches are already proceeding with caution. Not sure why folks that know nothing about McCutcheon's situation would question them. Just my thinking.

 

[NittanyChris]

Just to play Devil's Advocate for a moment. Cutch injured his back and he came back and reinjured his back. Were they not cautious enough in his first return? Or are back injuries just really tricky and susceptible to
reinjury?
There's inherent risk no matter when he returns. I don't think it's a personal attack on the skill of trainers/docs to simply express being in favor of erring on the side of being ULTRA cautious.
A few matches in mid January mean pretty much zilch for the national title hunt.

 

[tikk10]

The doctors, athletic trainers and coaches are already proceeding with caution. Not sure why folks that know nothing about McCutcheon's situation would question them. Just my thinking.

Not defending anyone insinuating anything about this staff, but I think the comments come from a place that more than occasionally sees team doctors of (mostly pro) teams clear players before they're ready, which incidents you hear about months or years later. There's an inherent medical-ethical conflict between the player's and team's interests (safety vs winning) exacerbated by the doctor being paid by the team. That conflict doesn't really rear its head as much at the college level, likely because it's far more regulated than pros and with wrestling in particular, big-money isn't creating pressure of its own. That said, so long as I've been paying attention I can't think of any obvious examples of a wrestler being rushed back. Team doctors don't deserve to be second-guessed until they provide a reason they should be.

 

[tikk10]

Just to play Devil's Advocate for a moment. Cutch injured his back and he came back and reinjured his back. Were they not cautious enough in his first return? Or are back injuries just really tricky and susceptible to
reinjury?
There's inherent risk no matter when he returns. I don't think it's a personal attack on the skill of trainers/docs to simply express being in favor of erring on the side of being ULTRA cautious.
A few matches in mid January mean pretty much zilch for the national title hunt.

Just speaking for myself as someone who's gone through minor back pain, where most injuries gradually get better over time, back pain can appear and disappear just as quickly. You can feel like you're in traction for a week and wake up fine one day with practically no memory of the pain you went through. And chiropractors are usually only guessing why it started and/or how it stopped.

 

[lionlover]

Per TOS and a poster on their site: This is his information... not mine. I merely wanted to share his information which may be of value to The Wrestling Room regulars.

Per this poster: Take the information he supplied as you want.

McCutcheon was a full-go today and may be ready for Nebraska. Cassar was back in the wrestling room today, but not in school yet. Phipps is thinking heavyweight and this is possible in the near future.

Obviously pretty accurate tid bits. THANKS for posting them!