Penn State's best weight since 2011

[liex26]

I have always thought 184 was the best weight for us since 2011, but after I threw it on a spreadsheet I'm not so sure.
174 looks like king with the lowest place 5th in all those years.
165 being third maybe.


149 - 2,1,x,5,x,1,1,1

157 - 2,3,x,x,x,2,1,1

165 - x,1,2,1,x,x,1,1

174 - 3,1,2,5,1,2,1,2

184 - 1,2,1,1,x,x,1,1

197 - x,x,1,7,3,2,x,7

There's probably another way to do this list by points scored, but that would take longer.

 

[matter7172]

I have always thought 184 was the best weight for us since 2011, but after I threw it on a spreadsheet I'm not so sure.
174 looks like king with the lowest place 5th in all those years.
165 being third maybe.


149 - 2,1,x,5,x,1,1,1

157 - 2,3,x,x,x,2,1,1

165 - x,1,2,1,x,x,1,1

174 - 3,1,2,5,1,2,1,2

184 - 1,2,1,1,x,x,1,1

197 - x,x,1,7,3,2,x,7

There's probably another way to do this list by points scored, but that would take longer.

Pretty sure it would be pretty close for 174/184 no matter how you did it but with 3 1st, 3 2nd, one 3d and one 5th, 174 would most likely get the nod due to the two missed years at 184. 149 gets the edge over 165 because of the added 5th place finish. Then 157 and 197.

All in all, a very impressive set of results.

 

[nerfstate]

Best middle-weight room in the country? Yep, all 6 of 'em.

 

[GogglesPaizano]

Crystal ball after this year

149 - 2,1,x,5,x,1,1,1 4-5

157 - 2,3,x,x,x,2,1,1 1

165 - x,1,2,1,x,x,1,1 1

174 - 3,1,2,5,1,2,1,2 2

184 - 1,2,1,1,x,x,1,1 2-3

197 - x,x,1,7,3,2,x,7 1

 

[CholleyVandine]

Here they are by team points scored at NCAAs since 2011:

174: 160.0 points
184: 148.5 points
149: 133.5 points
165: 127.0 points
157: 113.5 points
197: 80.5 points

 

[dmm53]

How much do results change if one uses a broader lens: 10 years or even 15 or 20? My guess is that 133 and 285 have been relatively weaker over the last 10 years or more. A mitigating (or at least relevant) factor in the analysis is when you find one elite wrestler (e.g., Retherford at 149 or Nolf at 157 or Taylor at 165) performing really well in consecutive years.

It would also be interesting to see how PSU results compare with other programs: Iowa, tOSU, Oklahoma State, Minnesota, etc. Minnesota, for example, is traditionally strong at 285 while Iowa has ruled 125.

 

[jack66]

By comparison

125 - x,2,2,3,8,1,x,x
133 - 3,x,x,x,5,6,x,x
141 - x,x,x,5,x,x,x,5
285 - 5,x,x,x,6,x,5,7

Pretty sure we've always qualified a wrestler at 141, not always the case at the other 3 weights.

 

[matter7172]

Here they are by team points scored at NCAAs since 2011:

174: 160.0 points
184: 148.5 points
149: 133.5 points
165: 127.0 points
157: 113.5 points
197: 80.5 points

I did ok with my projections.

 

[lookleft goright]

Dear Lord, tonight I would like to be thankful for posters on wrestling boards who have too much spare time. They provide such fascinating information. Seriously though, it was a good read. Thanks for doing it.

 

[Dogwelder]

I have always thought 184 was the best weight for us since 2011, but after I threw it on a spreadsheet I'm not so sure.
174 looks like king with the lowest place 5th in all those years.
165 being third maybe.


149 - 2,1,x,5,x,1,1,1

157 - 2,3,x,x,x,2,1,1

165 - x,1,2,1,x,x,1,1

174 - 3,1,2,5,1,2,1,2

184 - 1,2,1,1,x,x,1,1

197 - x,x,1,7,3,2,x,7

There's probably another way to do this list by points scored, but that would take longer.

Is there a webpage with the same placement information but also with the names of the placers? I can't quite remember all the names that go with the placements. If the information is not on one page, please point me to the multiple pages, and I'd be happy to type it into one page like liex26's.

 

[ZepGraffiti]

Is there a webpage with the same placement information but also with the names of the placers? I can't quite remember all the names that go with the placements. If the information is not on one page, please point me to the multiple pages, and I'd be happy to type it into one page like liex26's.

I believe PSWC site would have all the info. Not on 1 page [that I'm aware of?], but surfing around several pages will find it all.

174 is 3,1,2,5,1,2,1,2:
Ruth, Ruth, MB, MB, MB, Bo, Hall, Hall
This one I'm pretty sure of because of a recent convo w/friend about this kind of subject. Only weight w/4 different AA's in Cael era.
**Side note FWIW: Ortega was 2010 [dnq], but 2009 was QW -6th [year before CS obviously]. So PSU has 5 diff AA in last 10yrs @174.

 

[liex26]

I believe PSWC site would have all the info. Not on 1 page [that I'm aware of?], but surfing around several pages will find it all.

174 is 3,1,2,5,1,2,1,2:
Ruth, Ruth, MB, MB, MB, Bo, Hall, Hall
This one I'm pretty sure of because of a recent convo w/friend about this kind of subject. Only weight w/4 different AA's in Cael era.
**Side note FWIW: Ortega was 2010 [dnq], but 2009 was QW -6th [year before CS obviously]. So PSU has 5 diff AA in last 10yrs @174.

I used NCAA site, forgot to even try PSWC site. Like you said, it's not available on a single page that I'm aware of.

I'll try to do some more math here, even though it's a weak area for me.
% win(make finals){top3}
149: 50(62.5){62.5}

157: 25(50){62.5}

165: 50(62.5){62.5}

174: 37.5(75){87.5}

184: 62.5(75){75}

197: 12.5(25){37.5}

Combined: 39.5(58.3){64.5}

At these weights when they go to the finals they win 68% of the time.

 

[y2jriden]

I have always thought 184 was the best weight for us since 2011, but after I threw it on a spreadsheet I'm not so sure.
174 looks like king with the lowest place 5th in all those years.
165 being third maybe.


149 - 2,1,x,5,x,1,1,1

157 - 2,3,x,x,x,2,1,1

165 - x,1,2,1,x,x,1,1

174 - 3,1,2,5,1,2,1,2

184 - 1,2,1,1,x,x,1,1

197 - x,x,1,7,3,2,x,7

There's probably another way to do this list by points scored, but that would take longer.

Is there a webpage with the same placement information but also with the names of the placers? I can't quite remember all the names that go with the placements. If the information is not on one page, please point me to the multiple pages, and I'd be happy to type it into one page like liex26's.

I'll take my best shot.

149 - Frank,Frank,x,English(7),x,Zain,Zain,Zain
157 - DT, DAlton,x,x,x,Nolf,Nolf,Nolf
165 - x,DT,DT,DT,x,x,Cenzo,Cenzo
174 - Ed,Ed,Brown,Brown,Brown,Bo,Mark,Mark
184 - Q,Q,Ed,Ed,x,x,Bo,Bo
197 - x,x,Q,Morgan,Morgan,Morgan,x,Shak

 

[y2jriden]

By comparison

125 - x,2,2,3,8,1,x,x
133 - 3,x,x,x,5,6,x,x
141 - x,x,x,5,x,x,x,5
285 - 5,x,x,x,6,x,5,7

This is more difficult

125 - x,Nico,Nico,Nico,Conaway,Nico,x,x
133 - Long, x,x,x,Gulibon,Conaway,x,x
141 - x,x,x,Zain,x,x,x,Lee
285 - Wade?,x,x,x,Lawson,x,Nevills,Nevills

I don't remember Wade being an AA but I thought he was our HWT in 2011.

Edit - I don't think we had a 285 AA in 2011

 

[liex26]

This is more difficult

125 - x,Nico,Nico,Nico,Conaway,Nico,x,x
133 - Long, x,x,x,Gulibon,Conaway,x,x
141 - x,x,x,Zain,x,x,x,Lee
285 - Wade?,x,x,x,Lawson,x,Nevills,Nevills

I don't remember Wade being an AA but I thought he was our HWT in 2011.

Edit - I don't think we had a 285 AA in 2011

You are correct.
I remember this different than some others as this has been discussed before, and I haven't been able to find B1G brackets to research it but Cam Wade was our 285.
I went to B1Gs that year at NW. I remember it was very close with Iowa in the lead. We needed Wade to win for a tie or bonus for a win. Wade turn his guy and got back points for a major to win the team tournament.
He started well at NCAAs but finished outside AA.

 

[jack66]

This is more difficult

125 - x,Nico,Nico,Nico,Conaway,Nico,x,x
133 - Long, x,x,x,Gulibon,Conaway,x,x
141 - x,x,x,Zain,x,x,x,Lee
285 - Wade?,x,x,x,Lawson,x,Nevills,Nevills

I don't remember Wade being an AA but I thought he was our HWT in 2011.

Edit - I don't think we had a 285 AA in 2011

You're right, I was thinking of Wade's 5th place finish at Bigs, Through some sort of mental gymnastics I transposed it to NCAAs.

 

[RoarLions1]

On the PSWC Website, click History/Records (left-side), then click "All-Americans".

From 2009 on;
2009 Quentin Wright 174 6th
2009 Frank Molinaro 141 8th
2010 Dan Vallimont 165 2nd
2010 Frank Molinaro 149 5th
2010 Cyler Sanderson 157 6th
2011 Quentin Wright 184 1st
2011 Frank Molinaro 149 2nd
2011 David Taylor 157 2nd
2011 Andrew Long 133 3rd
2011 Ed Ruth 174 3rd
2012 Frank Molinaro 149 1st
2012 Ed Ruth 174 1st
2012 David Taylor 165 1st
2012 Nico Megaludis 125 2nd
2012 Quentin Wright 184 2nd
2012 Dylan Alton 157 3rd
2013 Ed Ruth 184 1st
2013 Quentin Wright 197 1st
2013 Nico Megaludis 125 2nd
2013 David Taylor 165 2nd
2013 Matt Brown 174 2nd
2014 David Taylor 165 1st
2014 Ed Ruth 184 1st
2014 Nico Megaludis 125 3rd
2014 Zain Retherford 141 5th
2014 Matt Brown 174 5th
2014 James English 149 7th
2014 Morgan McIntosh 197 7th
2015 Jordan Conaway 125 8th
2015 Jimmy Gulibon 133 5th
2015 Matt Brown 174 1st
2015 Morgan McIntosh 197 3rd
2015 Jimmy Lawson Hwt. 6th
2016 Nico Megaludis 125 1st
2016 Jordan Conaway 133 6th
2016 Zain Retherford 149 1st
2016 Jason Nolf 157 2nd
2016 Bo Nickal 174 2nd
2016 Morgan McIntosh 197 2nd
2017 Zain Retherford 149 1st
2017 Jason Nolf 157 1st
2017 Vincenzo Joseph 165 1st
2017 Mark Hall 174 1st
2017 Bo Nickal 184 1st
2017 Nick Nevills Hwt. 5th
2018 Nick Lee 141 5th
2018 Zain Retherford 149 1st
2018 Jason Nolf 157 1st
2018 Vincenzo Joseph 165 1st
2018 Mark Hall 174 2nd
2018 Bo Nickal 184 1st
2018 Shakur Rasheed 197 5th
2018 Nick Nevills Hwt. 7th

Or copy/paste into Excel, then you can manipulate however you want. Sort by weight, then year will give you what you want, if I understand correctly.

 

[RoarLions1]

Here it is, sorted...weight first, then year.

2012 Nico Megaludis 125 2nd
2013 Nico Megaludis 125 2nd
2014 Nico Megaludis 125 3rd
2015 Jordan Conaway 125 8th
2016 Nico Megaludis 125 1st
2011 Andrew Long 133 3rd
2015 Jimmy Gulibon 133 5th
2016 Jordan Conaway 133 6th
2009 Frank Molinaro 141 8th
2014 Zain Retherford 141 5th
2018 Nick Lee 141 5th
2010 Frank Molinaro 149 5th
2011 Frank Molinaro 149 2nd
2012 Frank Molinaro 149 1st
2014 James English 149 7th
2016 Zain Retherford 149 1st
2017 Zain Retherford 149 1st
2018 Zain Retherford 149 1st
2010 Cyler Sanderson 157 6th
2011 David Taylor 157 2nd
2012 Dylan Alton 157 3rd
2016 Jason Nolf 157 2nd
2017 Jason Nolf 157 1st
2018 Jason Nolf 157 1st
2010 Dan Vallimont 165 2nd
2012 David Taylor 165 1st
2013 David Taylor 165 2nd
2014 David Taylor 165 1st
2017 Vincenzo Joseph 165 1st
2018 Vincenzo Joseph 165 1st
2009 Quentin Wright 174 6th
2011 Ed Ruth 174 3rd
2012 Ed Ruth 174 1st
2013 Matt Brown 174 2nd
2014 Matt Brown 174 5th
2015 Matt Brown 174 1st
2016 Bo Nickal 174 2nd
2017 Mark Hall 174 1st
2018 Mark Hall 174 2nd
2011 Quentin Wright 184 1st
2012 Quentin Wright 184 2nd
2013 Ed Ruth 184 1st
2014 Ed Ruth 184 1st
2017 Bo Nickal 184 1st
2018 Bo Nickal 184 1st
2013 Quentin Wright 197 1st
2014 Morgan McIntosh 197 7th
2015 Morgan McIntosh 197 3rd
2016 Morgan McIntosh 197 2nd
2018 Shakur Rasheed 197 5th
2015 Jimmy Lawson Hwt. 6th
2017 Nick Nevills Hwt. 5th
2018 Nick Nevills Hwt. 7th

By Weight;
125 x,x,x,2,2,3,8,1,x,x
133 x,x,3,x,x,x,5,6,x,x
141 8,x,x,x,x,5,x,x,x,5
149 x,5,2,1,x,7,x,1,1,1
157 x,6,2,1,x,x,x,2,1,1
165 x,2,x,1,2,1,x,x,1,1
174 6,x,3,1,2,5,1,2,1,1,2
184 x,x,1,2,1,1,x,x,1,1
197 x,x,x,x,1,7,3,2,x,5
285 x,x,x,x,x,x,6,x,5,7