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Yea I saw that. Sounds like Penn State is going to give him a 10 year extension along with upgrades to the facilities. Franklin has not been asking for more money. Franklin was using other schools recently for leverage in order to negotiate this extension. Going to be announced soon.
I think that is an emotional issue. If you ask "OK, you want to get rid of CJF. Who do you want who is available and better given the current conditions of the program?" That is the rational, unemotional question. You know what you get? Either "crickets" or "there has to be SOMEBODY better!" Neither answer is acceptable to a rational person.
While I agree, he has had two very difficult years. Not quite sure why they gave a ten year extension.
There is ZERO ZERO reason why we shouldn't be in the hunt. The talent we have and this was the product. Again we are now hearing 23-24 should be our year with recruits. Well that depends how many stay versus de commit and that negative wave is NOT over, and also if Franklin is still the coach. He could have NFL talent equal to any of the top 5 NFL teams and he would destroy it as he has and always will!!
At an alumni meeting the other night, I had a friendly agrument with a few members. Their three chioices that was suggested was Schiano, Fickel and O'brien.
My opinion is at best it's not even a lateral improvement with them and the program would take two steps back. Are they preparred for a string of 8-4 seasons if we're luckily. It's be carefull what you ask for in case it comes true. Just look at what has become of some of the traditional powers and where they are now after chasing off head coaches every 2-3 years.
And faciliites. Is the university prepared to spend like Alabama, Clemson, GA, LSU, etc. It's now a full arms race in CFB.
My opinion is at best it's not even a lateral improvement with them and the program would take two steps back. Are they preparred for a string of 8-4 seasons if we're luckily. It's be carefull what you ask for in case it comes true. Just look at what has become of some of the traditional powers and where they are now after chasing off head coaches every 2-3 years.
And faciliites. Is the university prepared to spend like Alabama, Clemson, GA, LSU, etc. It's now a full arms race in CFB.
Wonder how much the 2022 class factored into the negotiations? We will have to wait 2/3 years to see how good they are. But this class could very special. I’m interested to see what Franklin does with Trautwein.
interesting conversation and a great point. I seems to me that none of those three candidates is worth the "fixed cost" of the change.
I know a lot of people on the board don't like him, but I would be willing to give BO'b another shot.
I thought the argument that 2016 and 2017 were only good because he had NFL talent? Now he can't even win if he has it? Go root for OSU/Alabama/Clemson or OU (but only until they join the SEC). Any other program is assuredly going to disappoint you repeatedly.
O'Brien belongs at USC. His style of football meshes perfectly with how USC envisions itself.
honestly, I am not sure CJF's coaching style is good for the defensive minded, hard-nosed B1G. BO'B seems to be a better fit.
Don't get me wrong, I like Franklin. He recruits well, his players go to class or they face consequences. They stay out of trouble, and conduct themselves in a positive manner. He also does not hesitate to make changes when he thinks they are needed.
That said, these last two years have been brutal. This year even more so IMO. They lost four games that they could have won, two that they defiantly should have won. At some point, the recruiting is going to go south as well. It will be interesting if he can hold this current class together.
And neither is the idea that there isn’t someone better, or the idea one automatically suffers the fate of Texas or FSU or Nebraska which..Texas gives no one the opportunity to be good with that fast moving 2 year window.
There are quality candidates. If someone doesn’t have a list as an answer that’s their problem. 100% of all candidates may or may not be better. Who knows? You only have data on today’s coach and data on the previous ones to decide if a program is where it should be. Is it?
If not, how does that weigh against a 25m firing buyout clause?
You can’t really say only fire someone if “Coach A” is available. If someone is that hot, by the time your firing occurs Coach A is likely gone.
I can make a list of people I think would succeed, and so can others and we will probably be as right as someone else’s list. Never know until they are in the job. You just get to make a guess.
The same names keep circling at tailgates and this board: Rhule, Leipold (34-1 record in D-3 playoffs. I wanna see him with legit D1 talent), Fickell, Brady, Moorehead. These are all good names. But the names don’t matter today. CJF is the coach today and isn’t getting fired with that buyout and likely other reasons like Sandy’s retirement and peoples satisfaction with the job he’s done. Those names only matter if he’s not here.
Based on what? Since 2016 PSU has the third highest winning % in the conference and second highest in the division. If Frankin's style is a bad fit so is everyone else who isnt Urban Meyer or Ryan Day.
| w | l | % | |
| Ohio State | 46 | 3 | 0.939 |
| Wisconsin | 36 | 13 | 0.735 |
| Penn State | 35 | 17 | 0.673 |
| Michigan | 34 | 15 | 0.694 |
| Iowa | 32 | 19 | 0.627 |
| Northwestern | 28 | 23 | 0.549 |
| Michigan State | 25 | 25 | 0.500 |
| Minnesota | 24 | 26 | 0.480 |
| Indiana | 19 | 31 | 0.380 |
| Nebraska | 19 | 32 | 0.373 |
| Purdue | 19 | 30 | 0.388 |
| Illinois | 13 | 38 | 0.255 |
| Maryland | 13 | 35 | 0.271 |
| Rutgers | 8 | 44 | 0.154 |
maybe....wait, John Moorhead? Not even close. He was gifted with a generation RB and carried that into a HC position where he failed. The rest are all crap shoots. Fickell crapped the bed at tOSU. Leipold? Just a different league managing the media and egos. They are all gambles to the highest degree that could put the program closer to Indiana status than tOSU.
With the program as it was inherited, I expected nothing less than that (third). If you want to get to the next level, that is a different conversation.
The sanctioned program that he inherited in the middle of scholarship reductions and a bowl ban? If anyone is a bad fit based on resources (the program) its Harbaugh.
As far as the next level. Agree, would love to see it. The only programs that fit that description are Bama, OSU, OU and Clemson. UGA probably enters the discussion after this season but the SEC has slanted the playing field to their benefit with how they schedule across divisions. Maybe the big ten should put us or Michigan out west and schedule that program to play OSU and psu/Michigan once every 10 or 15 seasons. That team would likely see a CFP appearance or two over the next 5 years.
There is far more space to move down than up.
well, I agree except when you look at trajectory. We had a losing season in 2020 and decided to not even participate in a bowl. this year, we will be fortunate to get away with five losses despite having a very mature and experienced team (especially at QB).
As is noted, I'd extend and keep him for a lot of reasons (one plays St. Edwards tonight here in CLE). But it is clear that we have a TON of work to do to catch tOSU and have sunk below UM and others in the B1G based on last and this year. Next year will NOT be an improvement, especially if SC doesn't come back. So that will be three down years in a row.
so the defense of CJF is we could have lost 6 (and potentially 8) instead of 4 and 6?
2020 is a wash in my book. Weird season, originally cancelled. If you want to hold it against him fine, I wont. Michigan also had 2 wins during it. This year he has two ranked wins including one where he was the underdog, 3 very close losses to at the time top ten teams with an injured qb. Sucks, not having the backup ready also sucks but there were two injuries we couldnt afford and they happened. The Illinois game is inexcusable, but there aren't any other losses on that level since the sanctions lifted. Predicting upcoming seasons is a fools errand with the portal. Never know who will popup to fill holes. No one knew who AK was at this point last season.
It is what it is. next year will not be better. As bill belichek says "I can only go on what I see."
You just made my point. All could succeed or fail. You don’t actually know. It’s just a list. The list only matters when you don’t have a coach. The list will be different when that happens.
Leipold though…is already in the different league. Watched his undermanned Buffalo team work us until they ran out of players. Now at Kansas, the Rutgers of the Midwest, nearly take out Oklahoma until overwhelmed by talent and finally do it to Texas last week. It would be very interesting to see him with real talent. Coaches who can manage undefeated seasons are very rare indeed. Regardless of the level.
I love Leipold. In fact, I told people that when Buffalo hired him. But he doesn't get 1/10th of the media, egos and other distractions at this level. I love his grasp of Xs and O's but his handling of that is a complete wild card.
Yup. Is is. But against the backdrop of other candidates….one guy has a shit ton of hardware. Lol.
Still doesn’t matter. Lmk when the job is open.
Considering a new QB, probably a true Freshman, (if they both stay committed), the loss of our best play maker, absense of an above average RB, big losses in the secondary, LB and Dline, and the schedule next year, I would say that 6-6 is not out of the question. Its not out of the question this year.
I hear about the looming wave of decommits every year after a loss. Never happens. We might have one more like any other year
So if 6-6 is expected, would an 8 win season would be considered exceeding expectations or is an 8 win season still Franklin sucks and couldn't coach peewee?
I never said he sucked and could not coach peewee. I simply pointed out that the last two seasons have been brutal, we lost games we could have and in some cases should have won, and I questioned the wisdom of a 10 year extension.
Why would we want to hire someone that seems to hate the CEO aspects of the job? That's a huge part of being a college coach... alumni relations, fundraising, etc. OB just wants to be a coach, and he seems like a decent one at that, but I don't think being a college head coach suits him.
I'm also tired of generally only seeing names for those with PSU ties listed as candidates. That's small-minded thinking. FWIW, neither of our last 2 coaching hires had PSU ties and both were (in CJF's case still are) solid, above average coaches. If we dump Franklin, the risk of becoming Nebraska or Texas is higher than finding the next Meyer or Saban.
@ Purdue
vs Ohio
@ Auburn
vs tOSU
@ UM
vs ILL
vs MSU
@ Indy
vs MD
vs Minny
@ Rutgers
I am looking at losses vs Auburn, tOSU, MSU, UM and one more (Purdue/Minny).
I'm OK with Franklin staying, I do however, question the wisdom of a 10 year extension.
a long way to go yet. We haven't finished 2022, we don't know who is not coming back due to graduation and the portal is a big issue. But I honestly don't see a 4 loss season being much of an improvement. I see a two loss season being an improvement. We'll see.
again let me point to the fact that Coach Franklin happened to have the bad luck to run into a historic run by Ohio State
if that doesn't happen everything looks different probably
if that doesn't happen everything looks different probably
right....assuming we are starting a new QB...the first game at Purdue, then having @ Auburn, tOSU and @ UM after Ohio is certainly a task. And, again, we start the B1G on the road.
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