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Pennstate1985

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Saw a thread on the mat that the last time at least one defending champion did not repeat was 1985. This year we will have seven guys defending a title. Heil, Retherford, IMAR, Martin, Dean, Cox, and Snyder. Put them in order of most likely to least likely to defend, and name the actual number that will defend.

1. Retherford (most likely to defend)
2. Cox
3. Snyder
4. IMAR
5. Heil
6. Dean
7. Martin (least likely to defend)

I'll say my top 4 repeat as champions.
 
Pennstate1985 said:
Saw a thread on the mat that the last time at least one defending champion did not repeat was 1985. This year we will have seven guys defending a title. Heil, Retherford, IMAR, Martin, Dean, Cox, and Snyder. Put them in order of most likely to least likely to defend, and name the actual number that will defend.

1. Retherford (most likely to defend)
2. Cox
3. Snyder
4. IMAR
5. Heil
6. Dean
7. Martin (least likely to defend)

I'll say my top 4 repeat as champions.
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I'd have to put Dean in front of Heil at this point. Heil has to improve with his head hands defense, lets to many guys in on his legs but gets away with it cuz he's a dirty scrambler. Dean on the other hand has great head hands defense and is stitchy at all times. Outside of Valencia possibly going 84, who beats him?
 
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Wrassler223 said:
I'd have to put Dean in front of Heil at this point. Heil has to improve with his head hands defense, lets to many guys in on his legs but gets away with it cuz he's a dirty scrambler. Dean on the other hand has great head hands defense and is stitchy at all times. Outside of Valencia possibly going 84, who beats him?
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Honestly, those two were my toughest decision, so I don't fault you for going that way. I chose Heil because I think his weight is weaker. I agree Dean is the better wrestler. Close call.
 
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"He knows how to get his hand raised"--Tim Johnson on Heil.

On the other hand, live by the sword, die by the sword, Heil gets in enough close matches, he might lose one when it matters most. Just watched the replay of his match with Meredith, and he was fortunate to win. Heil goes down come March, very good chance.
 
Pennstate1985 said:
Saw a thread on the mat that the last time at least one defending champion did not repeat was 1985. This year we will have seven guys defending a title. Heil, Retherford, IMAR, Martin, Dean, Cox, and Snyder. Put them in order of most likely to least likely to defend, and name the actual number that will defend.

1. Retherford (most likely to defend)
2. Cox
3. Snyder
4. IMAR
5. Heil
6. Dean
7. Martin (least likely to defend)

I'll say my top 4 repeat as champions.
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I'm a little confused. The last time at least one defending champ didn't repeat was 1985? That's wrong. There have been plenty of times a defending champ has not repeated in the last couple of years.

Just to name a few, Jason Tsirtsis didn't repeat, Cody Brewer didn't repeat, and both Quentin Wright and David Taylor failed to repeat the year after their first championship.

Maybe I'm not reading that correctly or maybe you didn't explain it correctly, but like I said, it reads that since 1985 every champ has repeated the next season.
 
jrd23psu said:
I'm a little confused. The last time at least one defending champ didn't repeat was 1985? That's wrong. There have been plenty of times a defending champ has not repeated in the last couple of years.

Just to name a few, Jason Tsirtsis didn't repeat, Cody Brewer didn't repeat, and both Quentin Wright and David Taylor failed to repeat the year after their first championship.

Maybe I'm not reading that correctly or maybe you didn't explain it correctly, but like I said, it reads that since 1985 every champ has repeated the next season.
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No, you're not reading it correctly. Seems pretty self explanatory to me. It has been over 30 years since at least one defending champ out of the group of champs couldn't defend their title the following year. That means that next year, 7 guys will be trying to repeat. To keep the streak alive, at least one of them has to repeat. Not all of them have to though.
 
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Pennstate1985 said:
No, you're not reading it correctly. Seems pretty self explanatory to me. It has been over 30 years since at least one defending champ out of the group of champs couldn't defend their title the following year. That means that next year, 7 guys will be trying to repeat. To keep the streak alive, at least one of them has to repeat. Not all of them have to though.
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I agree. Don't understand where the confusion was. seemed pretty well stated to me. IMO Retherford, Cox, Snyder and Dean repeat. Hopeful for Heil but gonna be tough to repeat with his style of wrestling. I agree with what JB said in a recent talk with Willie and CP. He said something along the lines of "If you don't improve in the the sport of wrestling, then it comes down to get better or get beat". I think this is currently where IMAR is, or where he was last year but I blame a lot of that on spending a lot of his energy on weight control and feeling good and just trusting what tools he had to win. This year he is going to have to take advantage of this weight increase to improve on opening his offense on his weight and getting a bigger gas tank or one of these hungry young studs (ala Vincezo) will have something to say about his journey to number 3.
 
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Wrassler223 said:
I agree. Don't understand where the confusion was. seemed pretty well stated to me. IMO Retherford, Cox, Snyder and Dean repeat. Hopeful for Heil but gonna be tough to repeat with his style of wrestling. I agree with what JB said in a recent talk with Willie and CP. He said something along the lines of "If you don't improve in the the sport of wrestling, then it comes down to get better or get beat". I think this is currently where IMAR is, or where he was last year but I blame a lot of that on spending a lot of his energy on weight control and feeling good and just trusting what tools he had to win. This year he is going to have to take advantage of this weight increase to improve on opening his offense on his weight and getting a bigger gas tank or one of these hungry young studs (ala Vincezo) will have something to say about his journey to number 3.
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You believe Cenzo can be as close to IMAR as Nolf was?
 
Idk that's tough to say because you can't get much closer than Nolf was but I think Cenzo has the best shot out of both Jordan's, that is if Bojo stays down. Has enough offense to be a threat and seems strong enough as well but that's tough to say because IMAR is a bull. Time will tell
 
Pennstate1985 said:
No, you're not reading it correctly. Seems pretty self explanatory to me. It has been over 30 years since at least one defending champ out of the group of champs couldn't defend their title the following year. That means that next year, 7 guys will be trying to repeat. To keep the streak alive, at least one of them has to repeat. Not all of them have to though.
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I understand what you're saying now. The problem was that I was misunderstanding. I couldn't figure out why I was the only one not getting it this morning. I don't know if it was the way the sentence read that my brain just didn't like it, but I understand. To re-phrase, since 1985 there has not been a year where nobody defended their title. As long as one person repeats as champ the streak remains.

It seems like it might be a long Friday for this guy.

TL;DR - I'm the problem!
 
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jrd23psu said:
I understand what you're saying now. The problem was that I was misunderstanding. I couldn't figure out why I was the only one not getting it this morning. I don't know if it was the way the sentence read that my brain just didn't like it, but I understand. To re-phrase, since 1985 there has not been a year where nobody defended their title. As long as one person repeats as champ the streak remains.

It seems like it might be a long Friday for this guy.

TL;DR - I'm the problem!
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Hey, if this is the worst misunderstanding any of us have today, it will be a successful day.
 
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Went to my 1st Ncaa championship in 1984. I believe every champ was a senior (2 psu, 1 iowa). So it would be hard to have anyone repeat as champ in 1985
 
Nathan Tomasello won a title in 2015. He was not able to defend the title in 2016. So "at least one defending champion did not repeat" in 2016. Isn't that right?

I think the point of the thread on The Mat was that 1985 was the last time none of the champions had been a champion in the preceding year.

I'm pretty sure that horraybeer is correct that all of the 1984 champs were seniors. So that would explain that.
 
horraybeer said:
Went to my 1st Ncaa championship in 1984. I believe every champ was a senior (2 psu, 1 iowa). So it would be hard to have anyone repeat as champ in 1985
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I heard that as well. Still, makes for an interesting conversation on who will or will not repeat.
 
CholleyVandine said:
Nathan Tomasello won a title in 2015. He was not able to defend the title in 2016. So "at least one defending champion did not repeat" in 2016. Isn't that right?

I think the point of the thread on The Mat was that 1985 was the last time none of the champions had been a champion in the preceding year.

I'm pretty sure that horraybeer is correct that all of the 1984 champs were seniors. So that would explain that.
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This thread is saying the same thing as TheMat. The last time NONE of the defending champs repeated the following year was 1985. Easier to understand? And yes I know they happened to all be seniors in 1984. That is another curious fact.
 
Pennstate1985 said:
You believe Cenzo can be as close to IMAR as Nolf was?
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I think Cenzo has a decent chance against IMar, though I'd still consider him a big underdog. His best chance would seem to arise in the third period of a quarter or semi where IMar has to weigh in again the following day. Brian Murphy came pretty close to pulling it off under those conditions and I think Cenzo is a notch above Murphy. I think Nolf would've beaten IMar last year in either tournament if they'd faced in the semis. Obvious counter to that is that IMar solved his gas tank problems by bumping up but maybe not.
 
My curiosity got the best of me...

-- Prior to 1985, no repeat champions happened last in 1975.
-- There was a "repeat" champ in 1985, but it was Barry Davis (Iowa), who won the 126 lb Weight Class after winning it in 1983. He repeated, but not in consecutive years
-- The highest number of repeat Champs in consecutive years, since 1970, is 4 (hopefully didn't miss any, as my review was done quickly)...in 1972, 1982, 1983, 1986, 1992.

The next 2 are quiz questions;

1) Name the 2 wrestlers (trick question, sorry :(, there was only 1), since 1970, to win a National title in consecutive years while wrestling up 2 weight classes?

2) Name the only wrestler, since 1970, to win a National title in consecutive years while wrestling DOWN a weight class?

Hopefully I have these right...
 
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RoarLions1 said:
My curiosity got the best of me...

-- Prior to 1985, no repeat champions happened last in 1975.
-- There was a "repeat" champ in 1985, but it was Barry Davis (Iowa), who won the 126 lb Weight Class after winning it in 1983. He repeated, but not in consecutive years

The next 2 are quiz questions;

1) Name the 2 wrestlers, since 1970, to win a National title in consecutive years while wrestling up 2 weight classes?

2) Name the only wrestler, since 1970, to win a National title in consecutive years while wrestling DOWN a weight class?

Hopefully I have these right...
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Total shot in the dark, zero research: The names that first popped into the head were Jordan Oliver & a Banach brother (1). And Daryl Burley (2)?? I don't know that DB even won 2 tho?
 
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Total shot in the dark, zero research: The names that first popped into the head were Jordan Oliver & a Banach brother (1). And Daryl Burley (2)?? I don't know that DB even won 2 tho?
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Oliver's two were not consecutive.
 
RoarLions1 said:
The next 2 are quiz questions;

1) Name the 2 wrestlers, since 1970, to win a National title in consecutive years while wrestling up 2 weight classes?
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Mark Churella 1978 (150) > 1979 (167) is one.
 
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Roar, a question back at you. Did you notice any trend that more underclassmen are becoming champs over time? I can't imagine a repeat of 1984 these days given the skill level of kids coming out of high school.
 
Some perspective ...

Between 2007 and 2016, 55 NCAA champions had eligibility remaining the year after they won a title.

Four of them did not compete the year after their titles because of an Olympic redshirt (Dustin Kilgore, Jake Herbert) or injury (Jordan Burroughs, Darrion Caldwell).

Of the remaining 51, 23 repeated as champions in the following season and 28 did not.

Repeated: Matt Valentia ('07), Ben Askren ('07), Cole Konrad ('07), Mark Perry ('08), J Jaggers ('09), Jake Varner ('10), Kyle Dake ('11, '12, '13), Kellen Russell ('12), Tony Nelson ('13), Ed Ruth ('13 and '14), Logan Stieber ('13, '14 and '15), Chris Perry ('14), Jesse Delgado ('14), Gwiz ('15), Alex Dieringer ('15 and '16), Gabe Dean ('16) and IMar ('16).

Did not repeat: Dustin Schlatter ('07), Johnny Hendricks ('07), Paul Donohue ('08), Gregor Gillespie ('08), Josh Glenn ('08), Mike Pucillo ('09), Jordan Leen ('09), Brent Metcalf ('09), Angel Escobedo ('09), Mark Ellis ('10), Jarrod King ('10), Franklin Gomez ('10), Troy Nickerson ('10), Andrew Howe ('11), Matt McDonough ('11 and '13), Zack Rey ('12), Q ('12), Jordan Oliver ('12), David Taylor ('13), Tony Nelson ('14), Derek St. John ('14), Kendrick Maple ('14), J'Den Cox ('15), Jason Tsirtsis ('15), Jesse Delgado ('15), Gwiz ('16) and Nato ('16).
 
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RoarLions1 said:
-- The highest number of repeat Champs in consecutive years, since 1970, is 4 (hopefully didn't miss any, as my review was done quickly)...in 1972, 1982, 1983, 1986, 1992.
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Add 2014 to that. (Delgado, Stieber, Perry, Ruth)
 
I do not count Owings win over Gable. 1. In my mind the match was horribly officiated. 2. Owings cut two weight classes to do it.
 
Pennstate1985 said:
Roar's starting to lose it in his advancing years. :(
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Wow, tough crowd, lol!! Keep looking guys, may have missed others...I did it in 15 minutes after all ;). Oh, and I am advancing in age...start a new decade on Sunday!!
 
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Some perspective ...

Exactly half of the NCAA titles in the past 10 years have been won by underclassmen.

Four of the 50 underclassmen champions did not compete the following year because of Olympic redshirt (Dustin Kilgore, Jake Herbert) or injury (Jordan Burroughs, Darrion Caldwell).

Of the remaining 46, 20 successfully defended their title in the following season and 26 did not.

Defended their title: Mark Perry ('08), J Jaggers ('09), Jake Varner ('10), Kyle Dake ('11, '12, '13), Kellen Russell ('12), Tony Nelson ('13), Ed Ruth ('13 and '14), Logan Stieber ('13, '14 and '15), Chris Perry ('14), Jesse Delgado ('14), Gwiz ('15), Alex Dieringer ('15 and '16), Gabe Dean ('16) and IMar ('16).

Failed to defend their title: Paul Donohue ('08), Gregor Gillespie ('08), Josh Glenn ('08), Mike Pucillo ('09), Jordan Leen ('09), Brent Metcalf ('09), Angel Escobedo ('09), Mark Ellis ('10), Jarrod King ('10), Franklin Gomez ('10), Troy Nickerson ('10), Andrew Howe ('11), Matt McDonough ('11 and '13), Zack Rey ('12), Q ('12), Jordan Oliver ('12), David Taylor ('13), Tony Nelson ('14), Derek St. John ('14), Kendrick Maple ('14), J'Den Cox ('15), Jason Tsirtsis ('15), Jesse Delgado ('15), Gwiz ('16) and Nato ('16).
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Technically, the guys who changed weights repeated but did not defend their titles. For example, Stieber did not defend his 133 title while wrestling 141.
 
RoarLions1 said:
Wow, tough crowd, lol!! Keep looking guys, may have missed others...I did it in 15 minutes after all ;).
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Pretty sure that's the only one. Over the same 1970+ span, there were four years where there were 6 repeat champions (regardless of whether consecutive), 1983, 1992, 2005, 2013, and three years where there were 5: 1989, 1997, 2014.

Still can't find the other repeater up two weight classes.

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tikk10 said:
Pretty sure that's the only one. Over the same 1970+ span, there were four years where there were 6 repeat champions (regardless of whether consecutive), 1983, 1992, 2005, 2013, and three years where there were 5: 1989, 1987, 2014.

Still can't find the other repeater up two weight classes.
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How about 2013? Stieber, Dake, Ruth and Nelson all repeated as champs that year.
 
tikk10 said:
Mark Churella 1978 (150) > 1979 (167) is one.
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It's the only one...the other I found was not consecutive years.

And Geoff Baum (Ok St) won at 177 in 1971, after winning at 190 in 1970...for what I believe is the only guy to go down a weight class and win in consecutive years since 1970.
 
tikk10 said:
Pretty sure that's the only one. Over the same 1970+ span, there were four years where there were 6 repeat champions (regardless of whether consecutive), 1983, 1992, 2005, 2013, and three years where there were 5: 1989, 1987, 2014.
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Looks like 7 in 1983 and 2005. And 1997 (looks like you typed 1987, but meant 1997) and 2001 also had 5. Check me on it, though...I'm getting older, you know!
 
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