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PSU gave up 304 Passing Yards to a well-below average Passing Game. CJF needs to do something about TA's abysmal Zone Coverages packages before the Se

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I would suggest that we go to a man assignment on all eligible receivers with a Cover 1 as our base package so we can still get pressure. But we have to dump these gawd-awful zone packages as our base package on the vast majority of our 2nd and 3rd and long situations. PSU had a busted coverage where an eligible receiver was 30 yards behind our zone "prevent" defense for f'ing Pete's sake!!!

CJF has to get ahold of this situation or were going to get shredded down the line here - just utterly unacceptable performance by Tom Allen in this game and he refused to drop his silly zone coverages that were getting burned over and over again - many via huge chunk plays... long TDs..... etc... just horrid.
 
We sold out to stop Jeanty, daring Madsen to throw it. There was always going to be one or two players open. They also ran very quick 2-second passes before our rush could materialize. He completed those passes.

But once he had to put the game one his shoulders and drop back longer than 2 seconds, he couldn’t do it. I thought the defensive game plan was near perfect.
 
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We sold out to stop Jeanty, daring Madden to throw it. There was always going to be one or two players open. They also ran very quick 2-second passes before our rush could materialize. He completed those passes.

But once he had to put the game one his shoulders and drop back longer than 2 seconds, he couldn’t do it. I thought the defensive game plan was near perfect.

Yards are irrelevant if you don't score and that's how we schemed the game up. Madsen played a lot better early on than I think many anticipated, but as the game wore on it worked out the way we wanted it to.

Jeanty breaking off long runs was the only way they could have won. They had to scheme their tails off for both scores.
 
I would suggest that we go to a man assignment on all eligible receivers with a Cover 1 as our base package so we can still get pressure. But we have to dump these gawd-awful zone packages as our base package on the vast majority of our 2nd and 3rd and long situations. PSU had a busted coverage where an eligible receiver was 30 yards behind our zone "prevent" defense for f'ing Pete's sake!!!

CJF has to get ahold of this situation or were going to get shredded down the line here - just utterly unacceptable performance by Tom Allen in this game and he refused to drop his silly zone coverages that were getting burned over and over again - many via huge chunk plays... long TDs..... etc... just horrid.
I agree about the zone defense being weak and vulnerable.
 
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I would suggest that we go to a man assignment on all eligible receivers with a Cover 1 as our base package so we can still get pressure. But we have to dump these gawd-awful zone packages as our base package on the vast majority of our 2nd and 3rd and long situations. PSU had a busted coverage where an eligible receiver was 30 yards behind our zone "prevent" defense for f'ing Pete's sake!!!

CJF has to get ahold of this situation or were going to get shredded down the line here - just utterly unacceptable performance by Tom Allen in this game and he refused to drop his silly zone coverages that were getting burned over and over again - many via huge chunk plays... long TDs..... etc... just horrid.
You should know better. When you sell out to stop the run you are going to be vulnerable to the pass. The object is to win the game. Mission accomplished.
 
We sold out to stop Jeanty, daring Madsen to throw it. There was always going to be one or two players open. They also ran very quick 2-second passes before our rush could materialize. He completed those passes.

But once he had to put the game one his shoulders and drop back longer than 2 seconds, he couldn’t do it. I thought the defensive game plan was near perfect.

Really? You must have missed an absolutely blown "match-up" zone coverage package that allowed a BSU receiver literally 30 yards behind the nearest PSU defender - completely alone allowing an utter gift TD that drew BSU within 3 points after we got out to a 14-0 lead in the 1st QTR! That is not even remotely acceptable pass defense in that situation. His horrendous zone packages gave up 1st Down Conversion after 1st down Conversion.... big play after big play.
 
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It was wither 300 yards passing or give Jeanty 200-250 yards and let Boise control the clock. Tom Allen did well. It was a very PSU-like game plan that you would see in Joe’s time.
I believe every response to him should start with STFU, in 1982 Penn State gave up something like 500+ yards to Doug FLutie and won that game by I think 35 or 40 points.

I checked , PSU 52, BC 17. FLutie had 520 yards passing.

Years ago pro football coach said statistics are like loose women. Once you get a hold of them you could do whatever you want with them. The most important statistic is scoring more points than the other team.

My concern is silly penalties, there were a few by 77 and 33 that could've been avoided and if they didn't commit those penalties I think the game would've been sewn up much quicker.

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Really? You must have missed an absolutely blown "match-up" zone coverage package that allowed a BSU receiver literally 30 yards behind the nearest PSU defender - completely alone allowing an utter gift TD that drew BSU within 3 points after we got out to a 14-0 lead in the 1st QTR! That is not even remotely acceptable pass defense in that situation. His horrendous zone packages gave up 1st Down Conversion after 1st down Conversion.... big play after big play.
Resulting in a whopping 14 points. Call out the National Guard!
 
I agree about the zone defense being weak and vulnerable.

Their QB threw for 304 yards on 23 completions (that's over 13 yards per completion! Hardly the drinking and dunking some are claiming). And their QB's success absolutely came almost exclusively against zone coverages - with most of the completions to receivers that were wide-open without a PSU defender within 5 yards (and not moving toward the open receiver because they were clueless that they were even there that open because of the confusion in their zone coverage responsibilities... the blown coverage gift TD being a perfect example - not a single PSU defender realized there was a BSU receiver 30 yards behind them all by his lonesome!!! Not a single PSU Paas Defender even realized this and was scrambling to get back - not one! That was Pop Warner esque bad!
 
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Yes that is was a blown coverage. And the opposing offense will gash us with slant after slant every freaking game no matter the opponent until we figure it our with an int or 2.
Yep , as you said we countered on they would not be able to hurt us too bad with that compared to the running game. And Penn State was right. Also if Singleton or Allar does not fumble that ball when up by 14 after getting a fumble from Boise State I think we go up by 21 nothing and it starts getting pretty ugly.
 
Their QB threw for 304 yards on 23 completions (that's over 13 yards per completion! Hardly the drinking and dunking some are claiming). And their QB's success absolutely came almost exclusively against zone coverages - with most of the completions to receivers that were wide-open without a PSU defender within 5 yards (and not moving toward the open receiver because they were clueless that they were even there that open because of the confusion in their zone coverage responsibilities... the blown coverage gift TD being a perfect example - not a single PSU defender realized there was a BSU receiver 30 yards behind them all by his lonesome!!! Not a single PSU Paas Defender even realized this and was scrambling to get back - not one! That was Pop Warner esque bad!
No matter how you try to criticize it, Bushwood, you are wrong on this one. They game planned to win the game by stopping the run. It was a success and everyone goes home happy. Except you, apparently.
 
Stats are for losers.
The OP pretty much proves that point.
Tom Allen had a very solid game plan. Held Boise State to 14 points in a final eight playoff game. Half of them came on one broken play. And he did it with his best weapon sitting out half the game.
Poll all eight coaches involved in these games and see how many would sign up for their defense giving up just 14 points.
Two minutes into the new year and the Preppie may have won the contest for stupidest post of 2025.
 
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Really? You must have missed an absolutely blown "match-up" zone coverage package that allowed a BSU receiver literally 30 yards behind the nearest PSU defender - completely alone allowing an utter gift TD that drew BSU within 3 points after we got out to a 14-0 lead in the 1st QTR! That is not even remotely acceptable pass defense in that situation. His horrendous zone packages gave up 1st Down Conversion after 1st down Conversion.... big play after big play.
We gave up a 53, a 45, and a 24, and otherwise nothing was over 18. More importantly, Jeanty looked average at best, and we had 3 interceptions and a fumble recovery.

I just wish we did a better job with penalties, including on offense, and then we might have won by 4+ TDs.

Mission accomplished.
 
I would suggest that we go to a man assignment on all eligible receivers with a Cover 1 as our base package so we can still get pressure. But we have to dump these gawd-awful zone packages as our base package on the vast majority of our 2nd and 3rd and long situations. PSU had a busted coverage where an eligible receiver was 30 yards behind our zone "prevent" defense for f'ing Pete's sake!!!

CJF has to get ahold of this situation or were going to get shredded down the line here - just utterly unacceptable performance by Tom Allen in this game and he refused to drop his silly zone coverages that were getting burned over and over again - many via huge chunk plays... long TDs..... etc... just horrid.
Yeah. We are in the final four. Our only two (close) losseshave come against teams that may be the two best teams in the country. The only acceptable performance should be a flawless one. This is horrible. We should all be irate. Cut me a break.
 
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I would suggest that we go to a man assignment on all eligible receivers with a Cover 1 as our base package so we can still get pressure. But we have to dump these gawd-awful zone packages as our base package on the vast majority of our 2nd and 3rd and long situations. PSU had a busted coverage where an eligible receiver was 30 yards behind our zone "prevent" defense for f'ing Pete's sake!!!

CJF has to get ahold of this situation or were going to get shredded down the line here - just utterly unacceptable performance by Tom Allen in this game and he refused to drop his silly zone coverages that were getting burned over and over again - many via huge chunk plays... long TDs..... etc... just horrid.
Even for you this is a really bad take.
 
I would suggest that we go to a man assignment on all eligible receivers with a Cover 1 as our base package so we can still get pressure. But we have to dump these gawd-awful zone packages as our base package on the vast majority of our 2nd and 3rd and long situations. PSU had a busted coverage where an eligible receiver was 30 yards behind our zone "prevent" defense for f'ing Pete's sake!!!

CJF has to get ahold of this situation or were going to get shredded down the line here - just utterly unacceptable performance by Tom Allen in this game and he refused to drop his silly zone coverages that were getting burned over and over again - many via huge chunk plays... long TDs..... etc... just horrid.
They scored 14 points there lowest of the year. AJ had 104 his lowest of the year. I would suggest you sit on your couch and cheer.
 
It was wither 300 yards passing or give Jeanty 200-250 yards and let Boise control the clock. Tom Allen did well. It was a very PSU-like game plan that you would see in Joe’s time.
Yeah I remember someone complaining years ago about some ungodly number of yards Flutie threw in a game and my response was but Penn State won by 4 TDs. Some people love to complain.
 
We sold out to stop Jeanty, daring Madsen to throw it. There was always going to be one or two players open. They also ran very quick 2-second passes before our rush could materialize. He completed those passes.

But once he had to put the game one his shoulders and drop back longer than 2 seconds, he couldn’t do it. I thought the defensive game plan was near perfect.
I think we played a lot of zone so defenders could keep their eyes on the line of scrimmage in case they needed to come back to help on jeunty. But I agree that we need to do something about our zone defense, it's been soft all year
 
One busted coverage for 50+ and then about 60 yards in garbage time at the end. Take those away and then tell me what you’ve got, especially with three interceptions and forcing two fumbles. Not to mention holding the best running back in the country to about half of his normal game performance, both yardage wise and in yards per carry.
 
Aside from the fact that PSU knew that they would be somewhat vulnerable to the pass and didn't believe that Boise State could beat them that way (they couldn't/didn't), anyone who doesn't recognize that with Carter that's an entirely different game and that they (BS) would have stumbled and looked really bad just isn't being completely honest. Injuries happen and you have to be prepared to play without a player or two at times, but PSU also knew that their linebacker play at times hasn't been great this year and the linebackers have been looking better in the two playoff games. There was nothing terribly noteworthy, shocking or troubling about that game from PSU's perspective. It would be nice if we can expect to see Abdul Carter in the semi-finals and it would be nicer yet if we could get one or two guys healthy who have been injured for much or most of the year though.

The penalties are getting old though, although in fairness, I didn't really see anything over the top from the PSU players last night. Got called for an offensive hold or two that they've likely been guilty of all season and it hasn't been called. They got called for one or two pass interference penalties that were legit and may have been intentional when the PSU defender knew that he was beaten. Finally, Dennis-Sutton got hit with two personal fouls and I thought that both were ticky-tacky. Could #33 have held up and NOT committed those penalties? Probably, but on the replay of the interception, you really couldn't hear the whistle and Dennis-Sutton had his back to the play. It wasn't like he made a dirty hit on a defenseless player 5 seconds after the whistle blew (it was a completely clean hit for what it's worth, albeit after the ball was dead). Same for the roughing the passer call. Madsen literally got rid of the ball when Dennis-Sutton was one step away and he pushed him (albeit pretty hard), it's not as if he lowered his helmet and leveled Madsen after the whistle. I'm not defending penalties because I think PSU has played some undisciplined football for much of the last half of the season, but I didn't think it was too bad last night.

Win and move on and that's what PSU has done.....twice. I've been as critical of Franklin (and some of the other coaches) as much as anyone, but the PSU coaches have done a reasonably good job this season and PSU is in the final four. I'll take that every time.
 
I think we played a lot of zone so defenders could keep their eyes on the line of scrimmage in case they needed to come back to help on jeunty. But I agree that we need to do something about our zone defense, it's been soft all year

Our defenders do not get their spacing and responsibilities correct in these zone coverages - not sure if it is the design or the players just not understanding their assignments correctly, but there were multiple times BSU receivers floated into huge empty pockets in our zone coverages and no defender moved toward them and they remained wide-open by huge amounts separation to nearest PSU defender (and again, no defender was showing any awareness, or doing anything about, a BSU Receiver literally standing by himself wide open! This would include the BSU TD pass where the BSU RECEIVER was running by himself 30 yards behind the defense and not a single PSU defender even knew he was there or attempted to do anything about right through the QB throwing the ball (at which point there was nothing that could be done! It was Pop Warner-esque defense and not remotely how Zone Coverages are supposed to work!).

Cover 1 and Cover 0 (especially Cover 0) provide the same amount of run-support and make d-backs, FS and LBs coverage assignments much clearer. If their assignment doesn't go out and is run blocking.... etc.....

Remotely accurate QBs with a decently quick release have eaten our zone coverage packages up for breakfast, lunch, dinner and dessert! The BGSU QB threw for 375 yards against our ridiculously poor zone coverage packages and converted long 3rd Down after long 3rd Down. It is going to bite us in the ass down the line here and CJF needs to address it with TA post-haste.
 
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Really? You must have missed an absolutely blown "match-up" zone coverage package that allowed a BSU receiver literally 30 yards behind the nearest PSU defender - completely alone allowing an utter gift TD that drew BSU within 3 points after we got out to a 14-0 lead in the 1st QTR! That is not even remotely acceptable pass defense in that situation. His horrendous zone packages gave up 1st Down Conversion after 1st down Conversion.... big play after big play.
You don't think that kind of mistake can be made in man coverage?
 
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I would suggest that we go to a man assignment on all eligible receivers with a Cover 1 as our base package so we can still get pressure. But we have to dump these gawd-awful zone packages as our base package on the vast majority of our 2nd and 3rd and long situations. PSU had a busted coverage where an eligible receiver was 30 yards behind our zone "prevent" defense for f'ing Pete's sake!!!

CJF has to get ahold of this situation or were going to get shredded down the line here - just utterly unacceptable performance by Tom Allen in this game and he refused to drop his silly zone coverages that were getting burned over and over again - many via huge chunk plays... long TDs..... etc... just horrid.
Could Not Agree More....If we see it, Franklin cannot find this acceptable.....Georgia or ND Will shred us with this Zone Pkg!
 
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