PSU WR Cam Sullivan-Brown...

[psuro]

withdrawing from the transfer portal?

Just got a text from a friend stating as such - but did not do an internet search for same.

Confirmed?

 

[buck110]

Is that pic Pryanka Choprah

 

[psuro]

Is that pic Pryanka Choprah

Irina Shayk.

 

[ALion4Life]

withdrawing from the transfer portal?

Just got a text from a friend stating as such - but did not do an internet search for same.

Confirmed?

yes, it's announced on the BWI home page

 

[daveM.]

Will help the WR depth! great news.

 

[GregInPitt]

Will help the WR depth! great news.

Yep, I agree it is great news. CSB looks very physical and he has caught the ball pretty much every time he has been given a chance. I'm hoping he makes a move this Spring to solidify a place in the WR rotation.

https://247sports.com/college/penn-...ithdraws-from-NCAA-Transfer-Portal-129541608/

Penn State receiver withdraws from NCAA Portal
BySEAN FITZ 83 minutes ago

Penn State wide receiver Cam Sullivan-Brown has withdrawn from the NCAA’s Transfer Portal, a source confirmed to Lions247. The redshirt sophomore put his name into the mix for a potential transfer on Feb. 10.

Sullivan-Brown played in all 13 games last season and started a game against Rutgers in November. He caught four passes for 49 yards last season, a total that featured a two-catch, 33-yard effort against Indiana. He used a redshirt year in 2017 and was not a graduate transfer candidate.

The 6-foot, 188-pound Sullivan-Brown was the third Nittany Lions wide receiver to enter the NCAA Transfer Portal, joining graduate transfers Juwan Johnson and Brandon Polk. Johnson has since announced that he will play his final season at Oregon and Polk has yet to announce his intentions publicly.

Sullivan-Brown will be part of a young and fairly inexperienced group of wideouts. New receivers coach Gerad Parker will have six scholarship players on the roster this spring before Florida State graduate transfer George Campbell and freshmen John Dunmore and TJ Jones join the roster in the summer.

The group returns leading pass-catcher KJ Hamler but will also need to break in a few new starters. Sullivan-Brown, who played the X receiver behind Johnson and, at the end of the year, DeAndre Thompkins, was expected to compete with redshirt sophomore Mac Hippenhammer, sophomore Jahan Dotson and redshirt freshmen Justin Shorter and Daniel Georgefor outside reps.

“KJ Hamler has done some fantastic things,” James Franklin said on National Signing Day earlier this month. “You've got Jahan Dotson who kind of came on at the second half of the year and did some really good things for us. You've got Cam Sullivan-Brown. You've got Justin Shorter and Mac Hippenhammer. You've got a bunch of young, exciting guys that are coming on. And we've got some other guys in the program, too, that we're excited about. So it's going to be interesting.”

Sullivan-Brown was a three-star recruit out of St. Vincent Pallotti High School in Laurel, Md., in the Class of 2017 He was the nation’s No. 85 wide receiver and the No. 11 prospect in Maryland in the cycle. He committed to the Nittany Lions over in-state Maryland in July of 2016.

 

[NittanyOpp]

Here we go....

CSB transferring - Not a big loss, we will be fine, he would never play anyway

CSB returning - Huge, adds great depth now, star is on the rise, should push for major PT and break out.

 

[PSUcup1]

Here we go....

CSB transferring - Not a big loss, we will be fine, he would never play anyway

CSB returning - Huge, adds great depth now, star is on the rise, should push for major PT and break out.

Can’t speak for anyone else but I thought him leaving would be a loss. He played very well in limited time. Caught everything thrown to him unlike some others

 

[GregInPitt]

Here we go....

CSB transferring - Not a big loss, we will be fine, he would never play anyway

CSB returning - Huge, adds great depth now, star is on the rise, should push for major PT and break out.

As big a loss as any young backup player that didn't win a starting spot but had enough talent to play some.

I have yet to hear anyone say it is "huge" that he is returning, that he is a "star is on the rise, should push for major PT and break out".

There are, and likely will be, open scholarships going into the Fall. And CSB was one of the older players in an inexperienced but obviously talented WR position group.

But don't let the facts get in the way of a good whine....

 

[Obliviax]

Here we go....

CSB transferring - Not a big loss, we will be fine, he would never play anyway

CSB returning - Huge, adds great depth now, star is on the rise, should push for major PT and break out.

I don't think anyone on this board can speak with any level of authority on the situation. For me, it is very alarming we had this many kids in the portal. Some of said it is because our recruiting and depth but then UM, tOSU, GA, Clemson, LSU, AL would also have lost as many players (they haven't).

I wonder if he is coming back because he's been made to understand he has a future here or if he simply had no place else to go. Regardless, glad he's back with the "family".

I think that is Friermuth in the back.

 

[Connorpozlee]

Good news.

 

[MJG-90]

Here we go....

CSB transferring - Not a big loss, we will be fine, he would never play anyway

CSB returning - Huge, adds great depth now, star is on the rise, should push for major PT and break out.

I don’t recall a lot of people saying no big loss. Lots were upset because he seemed dependable when he had chances. Maybe a couple of examples. But nowhere near the frequency you suggest.

 

[Kmase21]

PSU Football page posted a picture of him at practice / workouts today or yesterday

 

[JWB389]

I don't think anyone on this board can speak with any level of authority on the situation. For me, it is very alarming we had this many kids in the portal. Some of said it is because our recruiting and depth but then UM, tOSU, GA, Clemson, LSU, AL would also have lost as many players (they haven't).

I wonder if he is coming back because he's been made to understand he has a future here or if he simply had no place else to go. Regardless, glad he's back with the "family".

I think that is Friermuth in the back.

I wonder if the initial WR exodus was due to uncertainty with the position coach.

 

[GregInPitt]

I don't think anyone on this board can speak with any level of authority on the situation. For me, it is very alarming we had this many kids in the portal. Some of said it is because our recruiting and depth but then UM, tOSU, GA, Clemson, LSU, AL would also have lost as many players (they haven't).

I wonder if he is coming back because he's been made to understand he has a future here or if he simply had no place else to go. Regardless, glad he's back with the "family".

I think that is Friermuth in the back.

Yep, the number that entered the portal is concerning. It could have something to do with the very recent (last 2 classes) large influx of 4 and 5 star players. The fact that the young players are real talented and have a good chance to surpass some of those that entered the portal. With that situation being somewhat different than Clemson for instance, where they have been recruiting at a higher level for a longer period of time and where the 2nd, 3rd and 4th year players knew that they would see just as many 4 and 5 star recruits come after them as what had been the case when they arrived... so in general the players at Clemson may be more prepared for the level of competition that all the 4 and 5 star recent recruits create....

CSB may be looking at it as having already redshirted and not being a Grad Transfer, he will have to sit out a year which would leave him 2 years to play some where else. If he stays, he could still Grad Transfer (provided he graduates in June 2020) and have 2 years to play some where else. He must have some appreciation for the facilities, coaching, and campus life at PSU and decided that staying and leaving his options open is a decent plan. And with the other WR's that transferred he has a better chance to get PT at PSU that what it looked like a few month ago.

Possibly somewhat similar to to the rationale that brought Wade back to PSU.... But who knows.

 

[psualum10]

Yep, the number that entered the portal is concerning. It could have something to do with the very recent (last 2 classes) large influx of 4 and 5 star players. The fact that the young players are real talented and have a good chance to surpass some of those that entered the portal. With that situation being somewhat different than Clemson for instance, where they have been recruiting at a higher level for a longer period of time and where the 2nd, 3rd and 4th year players knew that they would see just as many 4 and 5 star recruits come after them as what had been the case when they arrived...

CSB may be looking at it as having already redshirted and not being a Grad Transfer, he will have to sit out a year which would leave him 2 years to play some where else. If he stays, he could still Grad Transfer (provided he graduates in June 2020) and have 2 years to play some where else. He must have some appreciation for the facilities, coaching, and campus life at PSU and decided that staying and leaving his options open is a decent plan. And with the other WR's that transferred he has a better chance to get PT at PSU that what it looked like a few month ago.

Possibly somewhat similar to to the rationale that brought Wade back to PSU.... But who knows.

The quality of players jumped tremendously the last 2 years than it had the last 3 or so prior. That is the reason the majority were all backups who had been taken over by freshmen or sophomores. The vast and sudden jump in talent is what led us to have more transfers than anyone else. It's not saying other teams don't have talent being passed up as well ... it's just that we did it so drastically that we're also losing the previous talent just as drastically since they want to play.

 

[Obliviax]

The quality of players jumped tremendously the last 2 years than it had the last 3 or so prior. That is the reason the majority were all backups who had been taken over by freshmen or sophomores. The vast and sudden jump in talent is what led us to have more transfers than anyone else. It's not saying other teams don't have talent being passed up as well ... it's just that we did it so drastically that we're also losing the previous talent just as drastically since they want to play.

So, again, why didn't Clemson, Michigan and tOSU have the same level of portal/players? Its the same story: Kid comes in, dreams of early playing time, finds himself buried on the depth chart. What make PSU different from the other schools recruiting at a high clip?

 

[psualum10]

So, again, why didn't Clemson, Michigan and tOSU have the same level of portal/players? Its the same story: Kid comes in, dreams of early playing time, finds himself buried on the depth chart. What make PSU different from the other schools recruiting at a high clip?

Because none of them had a drastic change in recruiting. They've all had pretty steadyish recruiting rankings and recruiting talent coming in over that span

 

[Obliviax]

Because none of them had a drastic change in recruiting. They've all had pretty steadyish recruiting rankings and recruiting talent coming in over that span

fair enough...but I still don't get it. All the player knows is what they know...you go to school, dream of playing, and sit the bench. Are you saying kids going to Clemson aren't expecting early playing time? That may be, but I don't think that is consistent with a highly rated four of five star kid.

 

[sss]

fair enough...but I still don't get it. All the player knows is what they know...you go to school, dream of playing, and sit the bench. Are you saying kids going to Clemson aren't expecting early playing time? That may be, but I don't think that is consistent with a highly rated four of five star kid.

Maybe this was the "uncomfortablle" part Franklin mentioned in his press conference after the OSU game.

 

[Texas Lion]

I don’t recall a lot of people saying no big loss. Lots were upset because he seemed dependable when he had chances. Maybe a couple of examples. But nowhere near the frequency you suggest.

I will admit, I was one that said no big deal when he announced his first intentions. Please count me as continuing to be no big deal now that he is coming back.

He is coming back because he thought he was going to have all these options out there....he is coming back because he isnt very good. FSU Guy, Dunmore, and Jones are already ahead of him on the depth chart. Not too mention Shorter, Hamler, George....

Put it this way....if the season was dependent on CSB, then we were all in for a long fall.

 

[danvillenit]

I will admit, I was one that said no big deal when he announced his first intentions. Please count me as continuing to be no big deal now that he is coming back.

He is coming back because he thought he was going to have all these options out there....he is coming back because he isnt very good. FSU Guy, Dunmore, and Jones are already ahead of him on the depth chart. Not too mention Shorter, Hamler, George....

Put it this way....if the season was dependent on CSB, then we were all in for a long fall.

He is coming back because he hasn’t graduated, same as Wade. I think these guys think about sitting out a year and realize that would be dumb. At least at PSU they have a shot to get reps.

 

[MJG-90]

He is coming back because he hasn’t graduated, same as Wade. I think these guys think about sitting out a year and realize that would be dumb. At least at PSU they have a shot to get reps.

This makes the most sense -- if he's on track to graduate next May. Why transfer now, sit out a year and play two years when he can play this fall and still transfer and play two?

At least doing it this way he can potentially make a move on the depth chart.

 

[MJG-90]

Put it this way....if the season was dependent on CSB, then we were all in for a long fall.

Who here thought ARob would be the breakout player he became his first year as a starter? He had one less catch than CSB did in his first season.

I'm not saying CSB will be the next ARob. I'm just saying don't count anyone out until we see them not contribute.

 

[Kmase21]

He is coming back because he thought he was going to have all these options out there....he is coming back because he isnt very good.

 

[Agoodnap]

I wonder if he participated in Winter workouts?

I'm also of the opinion that if you enter the portal you should not be allowed back on the team.

 

[joeparules]

fair enough...but I still don't get it. All the player knows is what they know...you go to school, dream of playing, and sit the bench. Are you saying kids going to Clemson aren't expecting early playing time? That may be, but I don't think that is consistent with a highly rated four of five star kid.

These are the average composite rankings of the WRs at PSU and Clemson the last 4 years:
Year PSU Clemson
2016 0.8290 0.9233
2017 0.8728 0.9677
2018 0.9413 0.9810
2019 0.9110 0.9443

So when CSB (0.8640) came in 2017 he was even with or above the average WR recruit at PSU, but he would know he was at the bottom if he went to Clemson. As previously mentioned, the last two years PSU's recruiting has ramped up and he is now at the low end of the totem pole. I realize rankings aren't always the same as results, but I think this is the point psualum10 is trying to make.He would (should) have different expectations about playing time at PSU versus Clemson back in 2017.

 

[Obliviax]

These are the average composite rankings of the WRs at PSU and Clemson the last 4 years:
Year PSU Clemson
2016 0.8290 0.9233
2017 0.8728 0.9677
2018 0.9413 0.9810
2019 0.9110 0.9443

So when CSB (0.8640) came in 2017 he was even with or above the average WR recruit at PSU, but he would know he was at the bottom if he went to Clemson. As previously mentioned, the last two years PSU's recruiting has ramped up and he is now at the low end of the totem pole. I realize rankings aren't always the same as results, but I think this is the point psualum10 is trying to make.He would (should) have different expectations about playing time at PSU versus Clemson back in 2017.

Thanks for that. I get your point and appreciate it. i just don't agree. There is a lot of smoke here, its not just WR's, for example. We also had a lot of OL leave early, probably too early, and a recent LB who was starting go to a much lower level team. Maybe I don't follow other programs closely enough, but this is looking weird.

 

[canuckhal]

Thanks for that. I get your point and appreciate it. i just don't agree. There is a lot of smoke here, its not just WR's, for example. We also had a lot of OL leave early, probably too early, and a recent LB who was starting go to a much lower level team. Maybe I don't follow other programs closely enough, but this is looking weird.

So, are you saying that PSU has a culture problem or not? OSU has a lot of players leave early as does Bama. Is there smoke there too?

Two players have now entered the portal and are returning. Most in the portal or left for NFL have either graduated or will graduate. Those who haven't have indicated personal/family reasons for transferring.

Last year, Stevens could have transferred and could have this year too. He didn't.

 

[GregInPitt]

I will admit, I was one that said no big deal when he announced his first intentions. Please count me as continuing to be no big deal now that he is coming back.

He is coming back because he thought he was going to have all these options out there....he is coming back because he isnt very good. FSU Guy, Dunmore, and Jones are already ahead of him on the depth chart. Not too mention Shorter, Hamler, George....

Put it this way....if the season was dependent on CSB, then we were all in for a long fall.

Unless a proven player such as McSorely would have left with 2 years to play, it's really not a big impact when any single player leaves. So CSB is not much different than the rest. Even Wade a 4/5 star player, would not have had much impact. But I'm glad Wade and CSB will be back. They may make a few critical plays on special teams that help win a game, or may end up playing and allow another true freshman player to redshirt, who may have had to burn a redshirt when he was not really ready to play just due to the lack of depth had these players not returned.

We really don't know what CSB was thinking. He may have just wanted to explore his options to play. I don't agree with your thinking that he believed he would have "all these options". Why would he believe he could transfer to Clemson and play when he didn't get much PT at PSU. I don't believe that was his thinking. And even if he was looking for PT at a lower P5 or lower conference school, he may have just decided that PSU was a better place to be personally for 2019/20 when he really looked at the other schools.

And I don't believe he is behind the FSU guy, Dunmore and Jones. All the new WR's have to learn the system at PSU and CSB also is pretty physically developed. CSB's return may end up being the reason that the coaches redshirt one or both of Dunmore and Jones which in the longer run may be beneficial to PSU football.

Yep, the season is not dependent on CSB. And it's not dependent on any one WR that will be on the roster in September. Or any one other player that will be on the roster in September.

 

[indynittany]

I don't think anyone on this board can speak with any level of authority on the situation. For me, it is very alarming we had this many kids in the portal. Some of said it is because our recruiting and depth but then UM, tOSU, GA, Clemson, LSU, AL would also have lost as many players (they haven't).....

I think this is a little like apples and oranges. All of those schools have been recruiting at a high level for a long time. PSU's recruiting has been on a steady ascension of late.

What's happening at PSU is that there are a few pretty good kids in Franklin's early classes that might get passed over by newer arrivals that are more highly rated. At WR, we're talking about Shorter, George, Dotson and even Dunmore this year. Plus Campbell. And hopefully Fleming next year.

It's not wrong for CSB to wonder where he fits in. I was surprised to see him in the portal to begin with. He waited a long time before going in. It seemed to coincide with the hiring of the new WR coach.

I hope he's happy with his decision to stay.

Growing pains for the program.

 

[Obliviax]

I think this is a little like apples and oranges. All of those schools have been recruiting at a high level for a long time. PSU's recruiting has been on a steady ascension of late.

What's happening at PSU is that there are a few pretty good kids in Franklin's early classes that might get passed over by newer arrivals that are more highly rated. At WR, we're talking about Shorter, George, Dotson and even Dunmore this year. Plus Campbell. And hopefully Fleming next year.

It's not wrong for CSB to wonder where he fits in. I was surprised to see him in the portal to begin with. He waited a long time before going in. It seemed to coincide with the hiring of the new WR coach.

I hope he's happy with his decision to stay.

Growing pains for the program.

Again, I fail to see how that is different from Clemson, tOSU or Michigan who have been recruiting at a similar high level. If you get passed over or blocked by a very talented kid, it same here as there.

 

[Obliviax]

So, are you saying that PSU has a culture problem or not? OSU has a lot of players leave early as does Bama. Is there smoke there too?

Two players have now entered the portal and are returning. Most in the portal or left for NFL have either graduated or will graduate. Those who haven't have indicated personal/family reasons for transferring.

Last year, Stevens could have transferred and could have this year too. He didn't.

IDK, do you? Even CJF admitted we had more than other programs.

 

[canuckhal]

IDK, do you? Even CJF admitted we had more than other programs.

You are the one insinuating that there is. We don't know how many players are in the portal. Each recruiting class at PSU has been better than the one before. Players leaving for the NFL are leaving for the NFL. You seemed to claim that some aren't ready and, therefore, they must be leaving for other reason. My guess is that they think they are ready. I have no reason to insinuate otherwise.

 

[artsandletters]

I wonder if he participated in Winter workouts?

I'm also of the opinion that if you enter the portal you should not be allowed back on the team.

Nonsense. The portal is an option to be explored. It’s called having rights. If you send your resume to a headhunter should you lose your job ?

 

[SLUPSU]

IDK, do you? Even CJF admitted we had more than other programs.

How many teams have 15 players with eligibility left that have already graduated? We have a total of two players in the portal that are going to sit out a year.
I guess the message there is the CJF shouldn't push the players to be such good students.

 

[Obliviax]

You are the one insinuating that there is. We don't know how many players are in the portal. Each recruiting class at PSU has been better than the one before. Players leaving for the NFL are leaving for the NFL. You seemed to claim that some aren't ready and, therefore, they must be leaving for other reason. My guess is that they think they are ready. I have no reason to insinuate otherwise.

I insinuated nothing. I am looking at our program and see kids leaving early that probably shouldn't and kids entering the portal at an alarming clip. Even CJF said he was concerned at the number who entered the portal. So it is either an anomaly or there is something causing it. Take your pick.

 

[Agoodnap]

Nonsense. The portal is an option to be explored. It’s called having rights. If you send your resume to a headhunter should you lose your job ?

No, but if I would send a resume I'd make sure to keep it a secret as to not disrupt the rest the team. Since the portal is public, or I assume it's public, it creates a negative environment which is very bad for team dynamics.

 

[Obliviax]

How many teams have 15 players with eligibility left that have already graduated? We have a total of two players in the portal that are going to sit out a year.
I guess the message there is the CJF shouldn't push the players to be such good students.

That is a very valid point. However, one would assume most would want to stay but if you are a Jr. or Sr and are stuck behind someone, I certainly get it. But this isn't what CJF said. He said that the portal has been a problem for us and expressed concern about why it affected our program more than others. While these grad students use the new portal, it really didn't affect them compared to years before. When you graduate, you can go to whatever school you want without any penalty at all.

 

[83wuzme]

I think CSB could be a very productive player for us and I thought he showed some real promise last season.
We don’t have many midsize WR’s on this roster.