Putin's troops giving up on his war

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The troops no it's a losing proposition and are retreating, surrendering, and going home. For those around here who think supporting Ukraine isn't worth it.....

Vladimir Putin's Troops Call For Munity As Ailing Russian Leader's Prospects Of Winning War In Ukraine Grow Slimmer By The Day​



The troops ordered by Russian President Vladimir Putin to invade Ukraine are reportedly turning their backs on the Kremlin and raising their arms in mutiny against the government they swore to serve, RadarOnline.com has learned.

Mega© Radar Online
This surprising development comes as Russia continues to lose ground in Ukraine and as Putin’s forces are forced to give up the land they previously occupied in their widely condemned assault on their neighboring nation.


Mega© Radar Online
According to Daily Star, at least 39 troops have raised the white flag, returning home to Russia instead of continuing to fight in Ukraine.

“For several days they hid from shelling, some were seriously wounded, others were killed,” said one source close to one Russian soldier who retreated from Ukraine back into Russia. “Our men ran out of provisions and water, there was no ammunition.”

“They ate what they could find, and drank from a puddle,” the soldier’s compatriot further told the outlet. “Nothing was brought to them, they were simply sent to their deaths.”
 

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The troops no it's a losing proposition and are retreating, surrendering, and going home. For those around here who think supporting Ukraine isn't worth it.....

Vladimir Putin's Troops Call For Munity As Ailing Russian Leader's Prospects Of Winning War In Ukraine Grow Slimmer By The Day​



The troops ordered by Russian President Vladimir Putin to invade Ukraine are reportedly turning their backs on the Kremlin and raising their arms in mutiny against the government they swore to serve, RadarOnline.com has learned.

Mega© Radar Online
This surprising development comes as Russia continues to lose ground in Ukraine and as Putin’s forces are forced to give up the land they previously occupied in their widely condemned assault on their neighboring nation.


Mega© Radar Online
According to Daily Star, at least 39 troops have raised the white flag, returning home to Russia instead of continuing to fight in Ukraine.

“For several days they hid from shelling, some were seriously wounded, others were killed,” said one source close to one Russian soldier who retreated from Ukraine back into Russia. “Our men ran out of provisions and water, there was no ammunition.”

[COLOR=%s]“They ate what they could find, and drank from a puddle,” the soldier’s compatriot further told the outlet. “Nothing was brought to them, they were simply sent to their deaths.”[/COLOR]

Putin already won the war in Ukraine.

It's now about occupation.
 

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Putin already won the war in Ukraine.

It's now about occupation.
Delusion and insanity and closely related - your post is a prime example.
Putin has lost over 70,000 and lots of equipment in his little 'victory'.
 

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Delusion and insanity and closely related - your post is a prime example.
Putin has lost over 70,000 and lots of equipment in his little 'victory'.
Vlad is outsmarting the Potato 2Lying.
 

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The troops no it's a losing proposition and are retreating, surrendering, and going home. For those around here who think supporting Ukraine isn't worth it.....

Vladimir Putin's Troops Call For Munity As Ailing Russian Leader's Prospects Of Winning War In Ukraine Grow Slimmer By The Day​



The troops ordered by Russian President Vladimir Putin to invade Ukraine are reportedly turning their backs on the Kremlin and raising their arms in mutiny against the government they swore to serve, RadarOnline.com has learned.

Mega© Radar Online
This surprising development comes as Russia continues to lose ground in Ukraine and as Putin’s forces are forced to give up the land they previously occupied in their widely condemned assault on their neighboring nation.


Mega© Radar Online
According to Daily Star, at least 39 troops have raised the white flag, returning home to Russia instead of continuing to fight in Ukraine.

“For several days they hid from shelling, some were seriously wounded, others were killed,” said one source close to one Russian soldier who retreated from Ukraine back into Russia. “Our men ran out of provisions and water, there was no ammunition.”

[COLOR=%s]“They ate what they could find, and drank from a puddle,” the soldier’s compatriot further told the outlet. “Nothing was brought to them, they were simply sent to their deaths.”[/COLOR]
Any news source that can't get "mutiny" correct, should not be your news source.
 

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Vlad is outsmarting the Potato 2Lying.
You sure are on top of things. Just because the Russians are taking heavy losses and retreating just shows the outstanding strategy and leadership they have. They just love sending unarmed troops to the front with no ammunition and food showing how tough they are.
 

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You sure are on top of things. Just because the Russians are taking heavy losses and retreating just shows the outstanding strategy and leadership they have. They just love sending unarmed troops to the front with no ammunition and food showing how tough they are.
Is that right?

Seems to me that the Russians are hurting Europe and the US more that we are hurting them. Brilliant weakness and strategy by Potato and his Administration wackos. Hell, Potato has been dragging his feet to support Ukraine when it most mattered.

Face it 2Lying, we have an illegitimate, incompetent, and comprised Buffon in the WH, and that includes all the academic idiots in his illegitimate administration as well. Very aimless, weak, and comprised Democrat leadership.

If Trump were President none of the would have happened.
 
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The troops no it's a losing proposition and are retreating, surrendering, and going home. For those around here who think supporting Ukraine isn't worth it.....

Vladimir Putin's Troops Call For Munity As Ailing Russian Leader's Prospects Of Winning War In Ukraine Grow Slimmer By The Day​



The troops ordered by Russian President Vladimir Putin to invade Ukraine are reportedly turning their backs on the Kremlin and raising their arms in mutiny against the government they swore to serve, RadarOnline.com has learned.

Mega© Radar Online
This surprising development comes as Russia continues to lose ground in Ukraine and as Putin’s forces are forced to give up the land they previously occupied in their widely condemned assault on their neighboring nation.


Mega© Radar Online
According to Daily Star, at least 39 troops have raised the white flag, returning home to Russia instead of continuing to fight in Ukraine.

“For several days they hid from shelling, some were seriously wounded, others were killed,” said one source close to one Russian soldier who retreated from Ukraine back into Russia. “Our men ran out of provisions and water, there was no ammunition.”

[COLOR=%s]“They ate what they could find, and drank from a puddle,” the soldier’s compatriot further told the outlet. “Nothing was brought to them, they were simply sent to their deaths.”[/COLOR]
Well to me this is like Pitt vs Notre Dame hard to root for either one. However for world security you need to root for Ukraine. One comment on the article is that 39 troops were mutinying. So you have 39 troops with no supplies or food and water surrendering. that is hardly a mass mutiny or mass surrender.
 
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Unless Putin becomes suddenly too old to give orders and dies, I don't see this ending well no matter how much "mutinying" goes on. Putin has weapons that could instantly turn the entire Ukraine into a pile of rubble. He could do that and The Ukraine's vast resources would remain without the headache of dealing with its non-Russian majority.

Putin is old and has nothing personally to lose - unless he remains alive and accepts defeat.
 

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I can’t believe there are so many Russians on this board.

Let me guess. The latest Democrat conflate is to claim that anyone who opposes this war, or worse, is a Republican, must be a "Russian."

For the record, given The Ukraine's strategic position for energy and food, I would have given them strategic support before this invasion began. That would have been patrolling the border with Russia using NATO planes, beefing up an artillery response should they cross, etc. As it is, the Biden response was beyond pathetic. -- Point a finger at Russia and tell the world that they are going to invade. Terrific. Brilliant.
 
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Let me guess. The latest Democrat conflate is to claim that anyone who opposes this war, or worse, is a Republican, must be a "Russian."

For the record, given The Ukraine's strategic position for energy and food, I would have given them strategic support before this invasion began. That would have been patrolling the border with Russia using NATO planes, beefing up an artillery response should they cross, etc. As it is, the Biden response was beyond pathetic. -- Point a finger at Russia and tell the world that they are going to invade. Terrific. Brilliant.

You can go back and see my posts, but this was always my take.

You go big or go home.

We should have amassed tanks and helicopters at the border as Putin did.

Now there is a massive loss of life, much of Ukraine os destroyed and people like 2lyin are declaring victory.

LdN
 
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Is that right?

Seems to me that the Russians are hurting Europe and the US more that we are hurting them. Brilliant weakness and strategy by Potato and his Administration wackos. Hell, Potato has been dragging his feet to support Ukraine when it most mattered.

Face it 2Lying, we have an illegitimate, incompetent, and comprised Buffon in the WH, and that includes all the academic idiots in his illegitimate administration as well. Very aimless, weak, and comprised Democrat leadership.

If Trump were President none of the would have happened.
Russia is really hurting badly. They are taking huge casualties on the battlefield. Many Russian men have fled the country to avoid being drafted into an army with bad leadership, poor equipment, lousy communication. Putin has lost more soldiers in 6 months than the US dis in 20 years in Afghanistan. If you think that is a record to cheer - sign up for a tour of duty with the Russian=n army in Ukraine.
Our POTUS has done a great job in unifying NATO and using our outstanding intelligence to help ake putin the fool he is. Trump helped convince Putin on his plans to invade thinking he would get elected in 2020with the help of Vlad - they both turned out to be complete idiots.
 

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Is that right?

Seems to me that the Russians are hurting Europe and the US more that we are hurting them. Brilliant weakness and strategy by Potato and his Administration wackos. Hell, Potato has been dragging his feet to support Ukraine when it most mattered.

Face it 2Lying, we have an illegitimate, incompetent, and comprised Buffon in the WH, and that includes all the academic idiots in his illegitimate administration as well. Very aimless, weak, and comprised Democrat leadership.

If Trump were President none of the would have happened.

Seems to me that the Russians are hurting Europe and the US more that we are hurting them.

Are you sure about that? Seems to me that Russia is going about eliminating all advanced manufacturing from their economy. Their future is looking more and more like a country that will be supplying raw materials to China.

Nissan revealed Tuesday it will formally sell its business operations in Russia to state-owned entity NAMI for the grand total of 1 euro ($0.97), incurring a loss of roughly $681 million, Reuters reports.​
Volkswagen said it is stopping business in Russia. The automaker has suspended production at its Kaluga and Nizhny Novgorod sites until further notice. Audi, which is part of VW, said it was adjusting its manufacturing operations at its Hungarian factory, which accounts for a good amount of Hungary’s exports, because the war in Ukraine was affecting supply chain and sales.​
Japanese company Suzuki has suspended car exports to Russia and Ukraine from its Hungarian factory, and Daimler-Benz said it lowered output to two shifts at its Hungarian plant.​
Toyota Motor Corporation said it would halt production at its Russian factory. The company has one plant in St. Petersburg that manufactures RAV4 and Camry models, mainly for the Russian market.​
Daimler Truck said that it would halt all of its business activities in Russia, which includes a joint venture with Russian truck maker Kamaz. The JV, which has produced 35,000 trucks for the Russian market so far, started as two separate JVs in 2009 between Mercedes-Benz Trucks Vostok and Fuso Kamaz Trucks Vostok, but those two companies merged in 2017. Now, no more trucks will be built under the partnership with Kamaz, and Daimler won’t supply the truck maker with any more components, according to Reuters.​
Mercedes-Benz, Daimler’s former parent company before it spun off, also said it would divest its 15% stake in Kamaz. The company also recently said it has $2.2 billion in assets that could be threatened by Russian proposals to nationalize property of foreign firms that leave because of its invasion of Ukraine.​
Swedish truck maker AB Volvo has halted all production in Russia, and Ford Motor Company has suspended operations in Russia until further notice. Ford doesn’t have significant operations in Ukraine, aside from a joint venture with Russian automobile company Sollers, but Ford ceded the controlling interest to Sollers back in 2019.​
French carmaker Renault said it would suspend some operations at its car assembly plants in Russia due to logistics bottlenecks that have caused shortages in components. The French automaker accounts for nearly 40% of Russia’s vehicle production, according to research firm IHS Markit.​
Renault has not provided specifics in regards to production cuts, but the automaker has three car assembly plants in Russia. Renault’s main models built at its Moscow plant for Russian buyers are Kaptur, Duster, Nouveau Duster, Arkana and Nissan Terrano. Renault has a strategic alliance with Nissan and Mitsubishi. Renault also has a controlling stake in Russian automaker AvtoVAZ.​
South Korea’s Hyundai Group makes around 230,000 cars per year at its St. Petersburg facility and accounts for 27.2% of Russia’s vehicle production. The company said it would suspend its car assembly plant in St. Petersburg on March 1-5 due to supply chain disruptions. It was meant to resume operations the following week, according to The Wall Street Journal, but Hyundai’s factory remains closed as of mid-March. WSJ reported that the closure is separate from Russia’s invasion of Ukraine or any economic sanctions. Russia is a big market for Hyundai, so the automaker may try not to cease operations for much longer if it can be helped.​
Czech carmaker Skoda Auto, which is a part of Volkswagen, said it would limit some production at its domestic plants due to supply shortages, but its Russian operations were still running. Russia was Skoda’s second-largest market last year.​
“The sales strategy in Russia and Ukraine is currently the subject of intensive discussions. Sales in both Ukraine and Russia can be expected to fall in view of recent developments,” Skoda said, noting that VW would ultimately decide if Skoda were to leave the Russian or Ukrainian markets.​
Japan-based Mitsubishi Motors said it may suspend production in Russia. Mitsubishi has a joint venture agreement with PSA Peugeot Citroën that produces vehicles for Peugeot, Citroën and Mitsubishi in Russia at an assembly plant in Kaluga.​
In addition to potentially pausing production in Russia, Mitsubishi said it might halt sales of its cars in the country. Toyota said it would stop exporting vehicles there.​
Hyundai‘s exports to Russia have been slashed in half due to the crisis.​
U.S. automaker General Motors and Swedish automaker Volvo Cars said that they would suspend all vehicle exports to Russia until further notice. The Volvo Group generates about 3% of its sales from Russian buyers and has one factory in the country.​
Volvo, which was the first international automaker to suspend car shipments to Russia, said in a statement that it had done so because of “potential risks associated with trading material with Russia, including the sanctions imposed by the EU and U.S.”​
GM sells about 3,000 vehicles annually in Russia and doesn’t have any plants there.​
Volkswagen‘s Russian unit temporarily suspended car deliveries to dealers until further notice, or until the sanctions imposed by the European Union and the United States are clarified. The automaker went further and said it would cease vehicle exports to Russia immediately.​
Another German car company, BMW, has halted the export to Russia and said it would stop production there due to expected supply bottlenecks.​
Harley-Davidson said that it had halted business and shipments of motorcycles to Russia, a brand that Russian President Vladimir Putin has been photographed riding. Russia isn’t a very significant market for the U.S. bike company, which has only around 10 dealerships in the country.​
Jaguar Land Rover (JLR) and Aston Martin, two British luxury carmakers, have also paused vehicle shipments to Russia due to trading challenges. JLR sold 6,900 vehicles to Russia last year, which makes up less than 2% of its global sales. Aston Martin said that Russia and Ukraine together make up 1% of global sales.​
 

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Russia is really hurting badly. They are taking huge casualties on the battlefield. Many Russian men have fled the country to avoid being drafted into an army with bad leadership, poor equipment, lousy communication. Putin has lost more soldiers in 6 months than the US dis in 20 years in Afghanistan. If you think that is a record to cheer - sign up for a tour of duty with the Russian=n army in Ukraine.
Our POTUS has done a great job in unifying NATO and using our outstanding intelligence to help ake putin the fool he is. Trump helped convince Putin on his plans to invade thinking he would get elected in 2020with the help of Vlad - they both turned out to be complete idiots.
You were fine until the last paragraph. A weakened Russia is a good thing. This fascination with Trump and Russia even after we know the entire dossier deal was false is amazing. The only thing that emboldened Putin was Biden being a pussy in Afghanistan.
 

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Seems to me that the Russians are hurting Europe and the US more that we are hurting them.

Are you sure about that? Seems to me that Russia is going about eliminating all advanced manufacturing from their economy. Their future is looking more and more like a country that will be supplying raw materials to China.

Nissan revealed Tuesday it will formally sell its business operations in Russia to state-owned entity NAMI for the grand total of 1 euro ($0.97), incurring a loss of roughly $681 million, Reuters reports.​
Volkswagen said it is stopping business in Russia. The automaker has suspended production at its Kaluga and Nizhny Novgorod sites until further notice. Audi, which is part of VW, said it was adjusting its manufacturing operations at its Hungarian factory, which accounts for a good amount of Hungary’s exports, because the war in Ukraine was affecting supply chain and sales.​
Japanese company Suzuki has suspended car exports to Russia and Ukraine from its Hungarian factory, and Daimler-Benz said it lowered output to two shifts at its Hungarian plant.​
Toyota Motor Corporation said it would halt production at its Russian factory. The company has one plant in St. Petersburg that manufactures RAV4 and Camry models, mainly for the Russian market.​
Daimler Truck said that it would halt all of its business activities in Russia, which includes a joint venture with Russian truck maker Kamaz. The JV, which has produced 35,000 trucks for the Russian market so far, started as two separate JVs in 2009 between Mercedes-Benz Trucks Vostok and Fuso Kamaz Trucks Vostok, but those two companies merged in 2017. Now, no more trucks will be built under the partnership with Kamaz, and Daimler won’t supply the truck maker with any more components, according to Reuters.​
Mercedes-Benz, Daimler’s former parent company before it spun off, also said it would divest its 15% stake in Kamaz. The company also recently said it has $2.2 billion in assets that could be threatened by Russian proposals to nationalize property of foreign firms that leave because of its invasion of Ukraine.​
Swedish truck maker AB Volvo has halted all production in Russia, and Ford Motor Company has suspended operations in Russia until further notice. Ford doesn’t have significant operations in Ukraine, aside from a joint venture with Russian automobile company Sollers, but Ford ceded the controlling interest to Sollers back in 2019.​
French carmaker Renault said it would suspend some operations at its car assembly plants in Russia due to logistics bottlenecks that have caused shortages in components. The French automaker accounts for nearly 40% of Russia’s vehicle production, according to research firm IHS Markit.​
Renault has not provided specifics in regards to production cuts, but the automaker has three car assembly plants in Russia. Renault’s main models built at its Moscow plant for Russian buyers are Kaptur, Duster, Nouveau Duster, Arkana and Nissan Terrano. Renault has a strategic alliance with Nissan and Mitsubishi. Renault also has a controlling stake in Russian automaker AvtoVAZ.​
South Korea’s Hyundai Group makes around 230,000 cars per year at its St. Petersburg facility and accounts for 27.2% of Russia’s vehicle production. The company said it would suspend its car assembly plant in St. Petersburg on March 1-5 due to supply chain disruptions. It was meant to resume operations the following week, according to The Wall Street Journal, but Hyundai’s factory remains closed as of mid-March. WSJ reported that the closure is separate from Russia’s invasion of Ukraine or any economic sanctions. Russia is a big market for Hyundai, so the automaker may try not to cease operations for much longer if it can be helped.​
Czech carmaker Skoda Auto, which is a part of Volkswagen, said it would limit some production at its domestic plants due to supply shortages, but its Russian operations were still running. Russia was Skoda’s second-largest market last year.​
“The sales strategy in Russia and Ukraine is currently the subject of intensive discussions. Sales in both Ukraine and Russia can be expected to fall in view of recent developments,” Skoda said, noting that VW would ultimately decide if Skoda were to leave the Russian or Ukrainian markets.​
Japan-based Mitsubishi Motors said it may suspend production in Russia. Mitsubishi has a joint venture agreement with PSA Peugeot Citroën that produces vehicles for Peugeot, Citroën and Mitsubishi in Russia at an assembly plant in Kaluga.​
In addition to potentially pausing production in Russia, Mitsubishi said it might halt sales of its cars in the country. Toyota said it would stop exporting vehicles there.​
Hyundai‘s exports to Russia have been slashed in half due to the crisis.​
U.S. automaker General Motors and Swedish automaker Volvo Cars said that they would suspend all vehicle exports to Russia until further notice. The Volvo Group generates about 3% of its sales from Russian buyers and has one factory in the country.​
Volvo, which was the first international automaker to suspend car shipments to Russia, said in a statement that it had done so because of “potential risks associated with trading material with Russia, including the sanctions imposed by the EU and U.S.”​
GM sells about 3,000 vehicles annually in Russia and doesn’t have any plants there.​
Volkswagen‘s Russian unit temporarily suspended car deliveries to dealers until further notice, or until the sanctions imposed by the European Union and the United States are clarified. The automaker went further and said it would cease vehicle exports to Russia immediately.​
Another German car company, BMW, has halted the export to Russia and said it would stop production there due to expected supply bottlenecks.​
Harley-Davidson said that it had halted business and shipments of motorcycles to Russia, a brand that Russian President Vladimir Putin has been photographed riding. Russia isn’t a very significant market for the U.S. bike company, which has only around 10 dealerships in the country.​
Jaguar Land Rover (JLR) and Aston Martin, two British luxury carmakers, have also paused vehicle shipments to Russia due to trading challenges. JLR sold 6,900 vehicles to Russia last year, which makes up less than 2% of its global sales. Aston Martin said that Russia and Ukraine together make up 1% of global sales.​
The Russians can't buy any McDonald burgers. So There - they are hurting a lot more than others. They're even starting to kill each other because their cakewalk invasion is going so well. Putin is now relying on Iran for weapons, yeah they're doing great.
 

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You were fine until the last paragraph. A weakened Russia is a good thing. This fascination with Trump and Russia even after we know the entire dossier deal was false is amazing. The only thing that emboldened Putin was Biden being a pussy in Afghanistan.
Putin has his mind made up before Biden was elected because he thought Trump had made a shambles of NATO.
 

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Seems to me that the Russians are hurting Europe and the US more that we are hurting them.

Are you sure about that? Seems to me that Russia is going about eliminating all advanced manufacturing from their economy. Their future is looking more and more like a country that will be supplying raw materials to China.

Nissan revealed Tuesday it will formally sell its business operations in Russia to state-owned entity NAMI for the grand total of 1 euro ($0.97), incurring a loss of roughly $681 million, Reuters reports.​
Volkswagen said it is stopping business in Russia. The automaker has suspended production at its Kaluga and Nizhny Novgorod sites until further notice. Audi, which is part of VW, said it was adjusting its manufacturing operations at its Hungarian factory, which accounts for a good amount of Hungary’s exports, because the war in Ukraine was affecting supply chain and sales.​
Japanese company Suzuki has suspended car exports to Russia and Ukraine from its Hungarian factory, and Daimler-Benz said it lowered output to two shifts at its Hungarian plant.​
Toyota Motor Corporation said it would halt production at its Russian factory. The company has one plant in St. Petersburg that manufactures RAV4 and Camry models, mainly for the Russian market.​
Daimler Truck said that it would halt all of its business activities in Russia, which includes a joint venture with Russian truck maker Kamaz. The JV, which has produced 35,000 trucks for the Russian market so far, started as two separate JVs in 2009 between Mercedes-Benz Trucks Vostok and Fuso Kamaz Trucks Vostok, but those two companies merged in 2017. Now, no more trucks will be built under the partnership with Kamaz, and Daimler won’t supply the truck maker with any more components, according to Reuters.​
Mercedes-Benz, Daimler’s former parent company before it spun off, also said it would divest its 15% stake in Kamaz. The company also recently said it has $2.2 billion in assets that could be threatened by Russian proposals to nationalize property of foreign firms that leave because of its invasion of Ukraine.​
Swedish truck maker AB Volvo has halted all production in Russia, and Ford Motor Company has suspended operations in Russia until further notice. Ford doesn’t have significant operations in Ukraine, aside from a joint venture with Russian automobile company Sollers, but Ford ceded the controlling interest to Sollers back in 2019.​
French carmaker Renault said it would suspend some operations at its car assembly plants in Russia due to logistics bottlenecks that have caused shortages in components. The French automaker accounts for nearly 40% of Russia’s vehicle production, according to research firm IHS Markit.​
Renault has not provided specifics in regards to production cuts, but the automaker has three car assembly plants in Russia. Renault’s main models built at its Moscow plant for Russian buyers are Kaptur, Duster, Nouveau Duster, Arkana and Nissan Terrano. Renault has a strategic alliance with Nissan and Mitsubishi. Renault also has a controlling stake in Russian automaker AvtoVAZ.​
South Korea’s Hyundai Group makes around 230,000 cars per year at its St. Petersburg facility and accounts for 27.2% of Russia’s vehicle production. The company said it would suspend its car assembly plant in St. Petersburg on March 1-5 due to supply chain disruptions. It was meant to resume operations the following week, according to The Wall Street Journal, but Hyundai’s factory remains closed as of mid-March. WSJ reported that the closure is separate from Russia’s invasion of Ukraine or any economic sanctions. Russia is a big market for Hyundai, so the automaker may try not to cease operations for much longer if it can be helped.​
Czech carmaker Skoda Auto, which is a part of Volkswagen, said it would limit some production at its domestic plants due to supply shortages, but its Russian operations were still running. Russia was Skoda’s second-largest market last year.​
“The sales strategy in Russia and Ukraine is currently the subject of intensive discussions. Sales in both Ukraine and Russia can be expected to fall in view of recent developments,” Skoda said, noting that VW would ultimately decide if Skoda were to leave the Russian or Ukrainian markets.​
Japan-based Mitsubishi Motors said it may suspend production in Russia. Mitsubishi has a joint venture agreement with PSA Peugeot Citroën that produces vehicles for Peugeot, Citroën and Mitsubishi in Russia at an assembly plant in Kaluga.​
In addition to potentially pausing production in Russia, Mitsubishi said it might halt sales of its cars in the country. Toyota said it would stop exporting vehicles there.​
Hyundai‘s exports to Russia have been slashed in half due to the crisis.​
U.S. automaker General Motors and Swedish automaker Volvo Cars said that they would suspend all vehicle exports to Russia until further notice. The Volvo Group generates about 3% of its sales from Russian buyers and has one factory in the country.​
Volvo, which was the first international automaker to suspend car shipments to Russia, said in a statement that it had done so because of “potential risks associated with trading material with Russia, including the sanctions imposed by the EU and U.S.”​
GM sells about 3,000 vehicles annually in Russia and doesn’t have any plants there.​
Volkswagen‘s Russian unit temporarily suspended car deliveries to dealers until further notice, or until the sanctions imposed by the European Union and the United States are clarified. The automaker went further and said it would cease vehicle exports to Russia immediately.​
Another German car company, BMW, has halted the export to Russia and said it would stop production there due to expected supply bottlenecks.​
Harley-Davidson said that it had halted business and shipments of motorcycles to Russia, a brand that Russian President Vladimir Putin has been photographed riding. Russia isn’t a very significant market for the U.S. bike company, which has only around 10 dealerships in the country.​
Jaguar Land Rover (JLR) and Aston Martin, two British luxury carmakers, have also paused vehicle shipments to Russia due to trading challenges. JLR sold 6,900 vehicles to Russia last year, which makes up less than 2% of its global sales. Aston Martin said that Russia and Ukraine together make up 1% of global sales.​
I’m sure, I wouldn’t lie to you.
 

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Russia is really hurting badly. They are taking huge casualties on the battlefield. Many Russian men have fled the country to avoid being drafted into an army with bad leadership, poor equipment, lousy communication. Putin has lost more soldiers in 6 months than the US dis in 20 years in Afghanistan. If you think that is a record to cheer - sign up for a tour of duty with the Russian=n army in Ukraine.
Our POTUS has done a great job in unifying NATO and using our outstanding intelligence to help ake putin the fool he is. Trump helped convince Putin on his plans to invade thinking he would get elected in 2020with the help of Vlad - they both turned out to be complete idiots.
Vlad saw incredible weakness in the Potato’s Afghan cluster fu*k and went for it. China is going to move on Twain next. Face it, Potato and the Democrats brought this on.
 
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Get mental help

The only reason @2lion70 isn't on my Ignore list is that he generally refrains from being vulgar. I can't say that is true of @PaoliLion and @Catch50. So the debate with @2lion70 continues even though we are engaging a person with a lower mental capacity. (At one time I thought he was a child based on the content and writing style.)

I wish there were some true lefties that would argue sensibly on the issues, but they just don't exist here. Those people are either in hiding or have switched to becoming part of the conservative electorate.
 

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The only reason @2lion70 isn't on my Ignore list is that he generally refrains from being vulgar. I can't say that is true of @PaoliLion and @Catch50. So the debate with @2lion70 continues even though we are engaging a person with a lower mental capacity. (At one time I thought he was a child based on the content and writing style.)

I wish there were some true lefties that would argue sensibly on the issues, but they just don't exist here. Those people are either in hiding or have switched to becoming part of the conservative electorate.
2Lying is my buddy.
 
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Sullivan

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The troops no it's a losing proposition and are retreating, surrendering, and going home. For those around here who think supporting Ukraine isn't worth it.....

Vladimir Putin's Troops Call For Munity As Ailing Russian Leader's Prospects Of Winning War In Ukraine Grow Slimmer By The Day​



The troops ordered by Russian President Vladimir Putin to invade Ukraine are reportedly turning their backs on the Kremlin and raising their arms in mutiny against the government they swore to serve, RadarOnline.com has learned.

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This surprising development comes as Russia continues to lose ground in Ukraine and as Putin’s forces are forced to give up the land they previously occupied in their widely condemned assault on their neighboring nation.


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According to Daily Star, at least 39 troops have raised the white flag, returning home to Russia instead of continuing to fight in Ukraine.

“For several days they hid from shelling, some were seriously wounded, others were killed,” said one source close to one Russian soldier who retreated from Ukraine back into Russia. “Our men ran out of provisions and water, there was no ammunition.”

[COLOR=%s]“They ate what they could find, and drank from a puddle,” the soldier’s compatriot further told the outlet. “Nothing was brought to them, they were simply sent to their deaths.”[/COLOR]

Have you seen the polls lately? That seems like quite a story.
 
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Russia is really hurting badly. They are taking huge casualties on the battlefield. Many Russian men have fled the country to avoid being drafted into an army with bad leadership, poor equipment, lousy communication. Putin has lost more soldiers in 6 months than the US dis in 20 years in Afghanistan. If you think that is a record to cheer - sign up for a tour of duty with the Russian=n army in Ukraine.
Our POTUS has done a great job in unifying NATO and using our outstanding intelligence to help ake putin the fool he is. Trump helped convince Putin on his plans to invade thinking he would get elected in 2020with the help of Vlad - they both turned out to be complete idiots.
You are one screwed up dude....or dudette.
 
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The only reason @2lion70 isn't on my Ignore list is that he generally refrains from being vulgar. I can't say that is true of @PaoliLion and @Catch50. So the debate with @2lion70 continues even though we are engaging a person with a lower mental capacity. (At one time I thought he was a child based on the content and writing style.)

I wish there were some true lefties that would argue sensibly on the issues, but they just don't exist here. Those people are either in hiding or have switched to becoming part of the conservative electorate.
I consider you vulgar. I'm not afraid to take you on.

See. You post someone has a "lower mental capacity".
 

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Vlad saw incredible weakness in the Potato’s Afghan cluster fu*k and went for it. China is going to move on Twain next. Face it, Potato and the Democrats brought this on.
Did Vlad tell you that about why he invaded? It just might be you've been hoodwinked by a Russian BOT posting on a far right website. Twitter just shut down a number of 'foreign government' posters who were disguised as Trumpers.
 
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2lion70

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You are one screwed up dude....or dudette.
Oh I'm just a grumpy old man who posts sometimes even though a goodly number of posters are delusional and brainwashed = low IQ. I probably graduated before some of the children around here.
 

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Have you seen the polls lately? That seems like quite a story.
Just because there are a lot of followers in the Trumper camp who are in love with Russia/Putin doesn't mean they are correct. I can't figure out why so many conservatives are turning negative toward Ukraine in their resistence to Russia. It seems they are for Russia, not democracy and freedom.
 

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And you all thought it was Russia feeding the US disinformation. All along it’s been 2Lyin’.
Did Trump bow down to Putin? Yes he did. He even said he believed Putin and not US Intelligence - that makes Trump one stupid Asswipe.
 

2lion70

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Are the Russkies still mopping up? I thought this would have been over by now.
Vlad the 'Conqueror' sure thought so. Now he has Russian men fleeing the country, his army retreating and surrendering. His troops are low on ammunition, food, water, and leadership. Russia has already lost 70,000+ in this fiasco and will lose a lot more when winter sets in.
 

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Twitter just shut down a number of 'foreign government' posters who were disguised as Trumpers.

If they were "Trumpers" the previous Twitter administration would have shut them down long ago. Yet they chose not to. So I'm thinking "Trumpers" is the wrong comparison
 
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If they were "Trumpers" the previous Twitter administration would have shut them down long ago. Yet they chose not to. So I'm thinking "Trumpers" is the wrong comparison

You didn't know? Anyone who opposes leftwing policy is a Trumper.
 

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Did Vlad tell you that about why he invaded? It just might be you've been hoodwinked by a Russian BOT posting on a far right website. Twitter just shut down a number of 'foreign government' posters who were disguised as Trumpers.
Vlad told me that he invaded because Potato and Obama were weak and he went for it. He said that he would never have invaded if Trump were President.
 
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