It looked as though Lee was trying for the bow and arrow a couple of times. He had Eireman flattened out and hold of his ankle but gave up on it and never completed it. It looked to me that Eireman would be a good candidate for this ride and Lee could do some damage with it. I know my experience with wrestling is very limited but it appeared to me that the bow and arrow was within reach. With Zain in the room it could be attainable and what a weapon it would be for Nick.
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There is a reason why they nicknamed him "The Riddler." He's funky.
I would need to go back and watch the match. But if I was game planning for Eierman I would not go underneath or try to ride. That's his game. Counter wrestling. Lee needs to take quick clean shots finish and let Eierman up, take him down again, let him up, rinse and repeat.
I would need to go back and watch the match. But if I was game planning for Eierman I would not go underneath or try to ride. That's his game. Counter wrestling. Lee needs to take quick clean shots finish and let Eierman up, take him down again, let him up, rinse and repeat.
I am pretty sure that is how he teched him in Freestyle at the US Open, though Free is more targeted for that, no point for the restart on their feet.
Bigger question....was the riddler stalling on top with the double boots in.
Biggest question, will Nick make the finals?? Oddly enough I am more worried about Seabass than Tattoo.
Bow & Arrow is a form of a "Leg Turk" - Internationally known as "Bent-Knee Leg Turk". A "Leg Turk" is hooking the opponent's leg with your leg above the knee. Typically this is combined with a capture of the far arm to roll the opponent onto their back (i.e., offensive wrestler pulls on captured arm while simultaneously leveraging and lifting the turked leg with his leg). With Bow & Arrow, offensive wrestler still Turks the leg, but also pulls the lower leg over the leg he is using to turk using the opponent's ankle. And instead of using far arm, the offensive wrestler uses the far shoulder (via a "cross-face") to roll the wrestler along with the Bent-Knee Turk. I never saw Nick actually obtain a Turk really (bent-knee or otherwise) - Nick did use a straightforward ankle pick to breakdown JE a couple times (you can only ride the ankle for 5 seconds and Nick got off the ankle after he broke him down because of the 5 count). If the offensive wrestler has the ankle in a Bent-Knee Turk, he can hold the ankle as long as he wishes as he attempts to turn defensive wrestler with cross-face shoulder pull. Never saw Nick attain a Bent-Knee Leg Turk - the base move of the Bow & Arrow.
Pretty sure there is an entire thread devoted to this topic. Sadly it depends on the ref...was it Fix vs Suriano when the ref restarted them in OT which allowed Suriano escape and to win eventually?
Eierman definitely is funky but I think the only way Nick Lee beats him is to be able to ride him at least for most of a period, especially after getting that initial takedown. Nick lost to Eierman because after he gave up his 1st take down he was ridden for nearly 2 minutes. You can't score points when you're on bottom unless your name is Bo. Nick lost to Pletcher in the BIG 10 finals last year because he couldn't sustain a ride. If you remember when they wrestled earlier in the BJC match, Nick was able to keep Luke down and had a dominant win. That's my 2 cents
As a Hawk fan, I think Eierman getting the first takedown was the difference. It shortened the match on their feet and gave him a big lead going into the 2nd.
With that said, Eierman is a bag of tricks and I’m sure he’s got plenty more up his sleeve if the match starts off differently next time.
Will be a lot of fun if they meet up again in the finals. Both have to get there first though.
With that said, Eierman is a bag of tricks and I’m sure he’s got plenty more up his sleeve if the match starts off differently next time.
Will be a lot of fun if they meet up again in the finals. Both have to get there first though.
If memory serves me right, Lee got the first takedown. Eierman escaped then got the next takedown on a counter of a Lee shot. 1st period ended 3-2 Eierman, hardly a big lead.
An escape in the 2nd gave Eierman his biggest lead 4-2. A Lee takedown in the 3rd tied the score 4-4, and it was 5-4 after Eierman escaped. A penalty point for Lee and a riding time point for Eierman finished the scoring in a 6-5 Eierman win.
The score was 10-6, not a tech. I thought the same until I went back and looked it up. NL got out to an 8-0 lead after fighting off what looked like a sure takedown from JE early. JE scored on 2 push outs, and got 4 on what looked to be a NL takedown but JE rolled through and exposed Nick. Never looked like he had control, but I am not as familiar with FS rules. At least one of Nick's takedowns was on a counter from an Eierman shot.
As for the B1G final, I disagree that Eierman wasn't trying to score/turn when on top. Lee fought him off well, but after re-watching the match, JE tried to crank the hips hard, was trying to use a power half, etc. He almost had him turned once, but NL fought him off well. JE definitely played defense for much of the 2nd half of the match. I suspect if they meet again, there will be some new wrinkles employed from both sides.
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Could certainly be right, I was chasing a couple young boys around while trying to watch. Either way i think the long ride was the difference in the match.
If Eierman is so young, how in the world did they name the Eierman’s Carry move after him all those years ago? Did they have ESPN powers? 🧐
And yet you stated this; "It shortened the match on their feet and gave him a big lead going into the 2nd".
At the time, it felt like a 'big' 3-2 lead. Lee's lead didn't last long and JE grinded him out for the last 2+ mins.
I was worried. JE appeared too strong this time.
Lee showed a lot of juice almost coming back in the end. Feel like he can adjust & flip the next one.
JE has to now know the most he is gonna get from riding is one RT point. Could see a lot more offense from these 2.
Just guessing, but the only offensive attack I am expecting from Eierman is from a defensive posture. I expect Nick to continue to be the initiator, and to finish cleaner and quicker.
This time around I believe the first period will be 4-1 or 4-2 Nick and he will not be taking down.
I was thinking, had Cael moved Lee to 149, then Eierman could never get boots in on him.
This - I get antsy talking about potential finals matchups for our guys (see discussion on Fix/RBY and CStar adjusting to Kemdawg 2nd go aroudn) lol. Let's get them there first.
I'm going to throw out my honest opinion here WildTurk. I believe the BIG Ten did Nick Lee an injustice at BIGs giving him the # 2 seed. Nick had one more win this year than Eierman and it wasn't like Eierman was a returning National Champ, he was a new kid on the block in the BIG 10. The fans are going to be denied seeing a Seabass/Eierman matchup in the semifinals. SeaBass could be a matchup nightmare for Eierman but we might not know or we could see it happen in the finals. SeaBass is a tough out, just ask Spencer.
Worried isn't the right word. I like "excited". Lee will embrace that moment, and wrestle as he always does. Win or lose, it'll be a fun match.
I have't given up hope! I want to see the match and hope to see it on the backside at some point!!!
Gotta love the classic fan post "why didn't [insert wrestler] simply turn and pin his opponent with [insert move]?"
Because it's hard. There's basically no other wrestler in recent history who has consistently been strong enough to hit a bow and arrow on good wrestlers besides Zain. He's a freak.
Because it's hard. There's basically no other wrestler in recent history who has consistently been strong enough to hit a bow and arrow on good wrestlers besides Zain. He's a freak.
One/two wasnt the issue. Putting Rivera 3rd, ahead of 2 other worthy conference champs is the problem.
Still gave a lot of riding time and essentially a two point lead heading into the 2nd. As one of the best defensive wrestlers in the country, that is a big deal. Make sense?
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