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I’m curious to see how the new format will effect the NY6 bowl games’ financials and the economic impact on the host cities.

Teams and fans used to come into town early and enjoy several days of activities. They’d fill up hotels, restaurants, bars, and entertainment venues. They’d buy a ton of merch. The Bowls would host and manage a lot of the logistics.

Fans would travel knowing this might be the last time they see their team. Now, most will have to decide which, if any, Bowls they will attend. Do they just attend their home game if they’re lucky? Ticket sales at the Bowls will be impacted.

Teams will end up eating the tickets they are required to buy.

Will the bands travel to each Bowl game?

The list goes on. There is no doubt that these games have become “made for TV” productions. It will be interesting to see how that impacts the “in person” experience. 🤔
 
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I’m curious to see how the new format will effect the NY6 bowl games’ financials and the economic impact on the host cities.

Teams and fans used to come into town early and enjoy several days of activities. They’d fill up hotels, restaurants, bars, and entertainment venues. They’d buy a ton of merch. The Bowls would host and manage a lot of the logistics.

Fans would travel knowing this might be the last time they see their team. Now, most will have to decide which, if any, Bowls they will attend. Do they just attend their home game if they’re lucky? Ticket sales at the Bowls will be impacted.

Teams will end up eating the tickets they are required to buy.

Will the bands travel to each Bowl game?

The list goes on. There is no doubt that these games have become “made for TV” productions. It will be interesting to see how that impacts the “in person” experience. 🤔
It looks like tickets to bowl games will get a lot cheaper, especially on the secondary market.
 
I’m curious to see how the new format will effect the NY6 bowl games’ financials and the economic impact on the host cities.

Teams and fans used to come into town early and enjoy several days of activities. They’d fill up hotels, restaurants, bars, and entertainment venues. They’d buy a ton of merch. The Bowls would host and manage a lot of the logistics.

Fans would travel knowing this might be the last time they see their team. Now, most will have to decide which, if any, Bowls they will attend. Do they just attend their home game if they’re lucky? Ticket sales at the Bowls will be impacted.

Teams will end up eating the tickets they are required to buy.

Will the bands travel to each Bowl game?

The list goes on. There is no doubt that these games have become “made for TV” productions. It will be interesting to see how that impacts the “in person” experience. 🤔

My understanding is that the NY6 games have been incorporated into the playoff so their status will actually be enhanced. I mean, as things were headed before the 12-team playoff was created, the NY6 was becoming pretty much meaningless as all the top players opted out. Florida State-Georgia last year, for example, was a disgrace to the sport.

Regarding the plethora of other (non-playoff) bowls, they now take on the status of ho-hum exhibition games with very little attractiveness. A large number of draftable kids will opt out. In the end, the playoffs are great, but they're also the final nail in the coffin of the century-old bowl system.
 
My understanding is that the NY6 games have been incorporated into the playoff so their status will actually be enhanced. I mean, as things were headed before the 12-team playoff was created, the NY6 was becoming pretty much meaningless as all the top players opted out. Florida State-Georgia last year, for example, was a disgrace to the sport.

Regarding the plethora of other (non-playoff) bowls, they now take on the status of ho-hum exhibition games with very little attractiveness. A large number of draftable kids will opt out. In the end, the playoffs are great, but they're also the final nail in the coffin of the century-old bowl system.
The Bowls sure have been enhanced, but how will that translate to revenue for them?
 
In theory. But the fact that they are only hosting a game now will likely impact the Bowl's revenue share. I'm only guessing. That's what I'm really curious about. That, and the economic impact on the host cities. I would imagine it will go down considerably.

I don't see any reason revenue would go down.
 
The Bowls sure have been enhanced, but how will that translate to revenue for them?

Enhanced status equals more money. The television contract is huge and will flow more revenue.

Fans will attend.

It's a win-win...except for the rest of the bowls.
 
In theory. But the fact that they are only hosting a game now will likely impact the Bowl's revenue share. I'm only guessing. That's what I'm really curious about. That, and the economic impact on the host cities. I would imagine it will go down considerably.
They will just have to find other ways to rape their visitors.
 
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The NY6 bowls will be ok since they’re attached to the playoffs. I think the rest of the bowls may be in trouble.

The last few years they had few interesting matchups. Any small schools going to the lower to mid Boca Raton type bowls will be unchanged I think. Most of their players will play and they don’t really attract a lot of fans anyway.

The mid to upper (non NY6) type bowls will take a hit IMO. Teams that generally get selected to those games will have a lot of players sit out since they aren’t in the playoffs. I think fan interest will dwindle over time as a result.
 
The NY6 bowls will be ok since they’re attached to the playoffs. I think the rest of the bowls may be in trouble.

The last few years they had few interesting matchups. Any small schools going to the lower to mid Boca Raton type bowls will be unchanged I think. Most of their players will play and they don’t really attract a lot of fans anyway.

The mid to upper (non NY6) type bowls will take a hit IMO. Teams that generally get selected to those games will have a lot of players sit out since they aren’t in the playoffs. I think fan interest will dwindle over time as a result.
And this is why the playoff will expand to 20 or 24.
 
The NY6 bowls will be ok since they’re attached to the playoffs. I think the rest of the bowls may be in trouble.

The last few years they had few interesting matchups. Any small schools going to the lower to mid Boca Raton type bowls will be unchanged I think. Most of their players will play and they don’t really attract a lot of fans anyway.

The mid to upper (non NY6) type bowls will take a hit IMO. Teams that generally get selected to those games will have a lot of players sit out since they aren’t in the playoffs. I think fan interest will dwindle over time as a result.
The Bowl games will be like midweek MAC games, for TV only. The playoffs will make a lot of money but the bowl experience is over.
 
The Bowl games will be like midweek MAC games, for TV only. The playoffs will make a lot of money but the bowl experience is over.
Attendance at most bowls has been way down for years. By the time the matchups are finalized - early December - it is very difficult and expensive to book flights. The local economies don't get the big influx of dollars that they used to. The bowls survive on TV revenue.
 
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The NY6 bowls will be ok since they’re attached to the playoffs. I think the rest of the bowls may be in trouble.

The last few years they had few interesting matchups. Any small schools going to the lower to mid Boca Raton type bowls will be unchanged I think. Most of their players will play and they don’t really attract a lot of fans anyway.

The mid to upper (non NY6) type bowls will take a hit IMO. Teams that generally get selected to those games will have a lot of players sit out since they aren’t in the playoffs. I think fan interest will dwindle over time as a result.

Interesting view about the lower-tier bowls. We'll see.

I think the 12-team playoff sucks all the oxygen out of the bowl system. The focus is the battle to be one of those 12 teams and then the series of games they play.

The problem for me with the previous NY6 bowls and the range of games during Bowl Week was not uninteresting matchups though there were some of those -- there always are -- but rather matchups that became uninteresting when a team's best players, the ones who got them to the bowl, declined to play. Our matchup with Ole Miss was very interesting...until we ended up having to play with a team that in important ways did not resemble the one that earned the bid.

What I'm waiting to see now is whether this will start happening in the regular season after teams are no longer in the running to make the cut of 12.

On a related note, with the playoff format in place, I think we could also do without the conference championship games. It's possible that the winner of this year's national championship will have played 16 games. I'm old enough to remember when some expressed indignation that the regular season was expanded to 11 games. It was too much to ask of college kids, some people said. Fast-forward a few decades and we're looking at...potentially 16 and definitely 15 for the prize winner. That's quite a grind.

Right, I know, there will be much snickering at the mention of "college kids." The concept has become laughable in the new era of college football. But still.

Don't get me wrong: I love this new playoff format and have waited a very long time for it to happen. But everything good comes with a price. In any case, I don't think we need the conference championship games anymore. Good luck with that though. Dollars rule.
 
Interesting view about the lower-tier bowls. We'll see.

I think the 12-team playoff sucks all the oxygen out of the bowl system. The focus is the battle to be one of those 12 teams and then the series of games they play.

The problem for me with the previous NY6 bowls and the range of games during Bowl Week was not uninteresting matchups though there were some of those -- there always are -- but rather matchups that became uninteresting when a team's best players, the ones who got them to the bowl, declined to play. Our matchup with Ole Miss was very interesting...until we ended up having to play with a team that in important ways did not resemble the one that earned the bid.

What I'm waiting to see now is whether this will start happening in the regular season after teams are no longer in the running to make the cut of 12.

On a related note, with the playoff format in place, I think we could also do without the conference championship games. It's possible that the winner of this year's national championship will have played 16 games. I'm old enough to remember when some expressed indignation that the regular season was expanded to 11 games. It was too much to ask of college kids, some people said. Fast-forward a few decades and we're looking at...potentially 16 and definitely 15 for the prize winner. That's quite a grind.

Right, I know, there will be much snickering at the mention of "college kids." The concept has become laughable in the new era of college football. But still.

Don't get me wrong: I love this new playoff format and have waited a very long time for it to happen. But everything good comes with a price. In any case, I don't think we need the conference championship games anymore. Good luck with that though. Dollars rule.

I agree with you. The drop out of players from bowl games will dwindle the interest. Other than going to some location for a short vacation, who’s going to travel that far over the holiday season to watch a very watered down team? Worse, there will be fan anger when coaches don’t announce injury/ drop outs and you show up on game day to find out half the offense and defense isn’t playing.

The conference championship games will be a problem that many haven’t talked about. Look at the Big Ten now. PSU, OSU, Oregon, Indiana could all end up with 1 or fewer losses. Let’s say Oregon is 11-1, OSU 11-1, PSU 11-1, and Indiana 11-1. How do you pick which 2 are in the championship game and which are left out?

Should the runner up in the championship game (who will have 2 losses) be ranked higher than the other two 1 loss teams left out of the championship game? (The idea that you shouldn’t be punished for playing in a championship game that started a few years ago). Or does that team who lost a championship game get punished and drop out of a playoff spot while other teams that didn’t play in the championship game get in ahead of them because they didn’t play an extra game?
 
You realize NY6 are playoff games, right?
No one is opting out
The concept of opting out of a regular bowl game, or any game for that matter, used to be incomprehensible. Players will eventually opt out of playoff games. I have no doubt. And the media will cheerlead the opt outs, just as they do now.
 
The concept of opting out of a regular bowl game, or any game for that matter, used to be incomprehensible. Players will eventually opt out of playoff games. I have no doubt. And the media will cheerlead the opt outs, just as they do now.
They won't because those games mean something. You all refuse to accept how meaningless bowl games are so you make insane statements like they're going to opt out of playoff games. No one has so far and no one will.

Skipping a bowl game is the equivalent of missing a practice
 
At some point there will be collective bargaining with revenue sharing. No don't the colleges will require participation in the playoff games be a part of that. Just remains to be seen if they also want that for non-playoff bowl games.
 
They won't because those games mean something. You all refuse to accept how meaningless bowl games are so you make insane statements like they're going to opt out of playoff games. No one has so far and no one will.

Skipping a bowl game is the equivalent of missing a practice.
Games that "mean something" is going to vary from player to player. If you are selfish enough to sit out a bowl game, then I would say you are also selfish enough to sit out a bowl game that also happens to be part of a playoff. What does winning a playoff game mean to a player? Doesn't put any money into their pockets....
 
I see it being business as usual for these bowls. The games mean something more than previous years. No conference ties mean they likely get new teams and new matchups. And perhaps rekindle some old rivalries that had gone away.
 
Games that "mean something" is going to vary from player to player. If you are selfish enough to sit out a bowl game, then I would say you are also selfish enough to sit out a bowl game that also happens to be part of a playoff. What does winning a playoff game mean to a player? Doesn't put any money into their pockets....
That's not even logical--winning a title is why you play. Kids that skip that will have questions to answer because the NFL doesn't want selfish players--that's a problem in many things including contact negotiations. Bowl games aren't meaningful to anyone--it's a reward. Not playing is often the best thing a guy can do because it let's someone get reps for next year.
 
Interesting view about the lower-tier bowls. We'll see.

I think the 12-team playoff sucks all the oxygen out of the bowl system. The focus is the battle to be one of those 12 teams and then the series of games they play.

The problem for me with the previous NY6 bowls and the range of games during Bowl Week was not uninteresting matchups though there were some of those -- there always are -- but rather matchups that became uninteresting when a team's best players, the ones who got them to the bowl, declined to play. Our matchup with Ole Miss was very interesting...until we ended up having to play with a team that in important ways did not resemble the one that earned the bid.

What I'm waiting to see now is whether this will start happening in the regular season after teams are no longer in the running to make the cut of 12.

On a related note, with the playoff format in place, I think we could also do without the conference championship games. It's possible that the winner of this year's national championship will have played 16 games. I'm old enough to remember when some expressed indignation that the regular season was expanded to 11 games. It was too much to ask of college kids, some people said. Fast-forward a few decades and we're looking at...potentially 16 and definitely 15 for the prize winner. That's quite a grind.

Right, I know, there will be much snickering at the mention of "college kids." The concept has become laughable in the new era of college football. But still.

Don't get me wrong: I love this new playoff format and have waited a very long time for it to happen. But everything good comes with a price. In any case, I don't think we need the conference championship games anymore. Good luck with that though. Dollars rule.
Ya, I don’t think anyone will particularly care that the game is designated as the “Cotton Bowl” or “Orange Bowl”, they care it’s a playoff game. Perhaps the Rose Bowl will still carry some additional gravitas.

Overall what we knew as the “bowl game” will be hampered. It was a stand alone game with events all week. This would seem to be much less prevalent with players, and fans, looking at the big picture playoff.
 
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Kids that skip that will have questions to answer because the NFL doesn't want selfish players--that's a problem in many things including contact negotiations.
Heard these same exact things about kids skipping bowl games.

I think skipping bowl games is a selfish act. There are teammates, coaches, fans, students that care about the bowl games and want to win. Isn't quitting on them a selfish act?

What do you see as the point in opting out of a bowl game?
 
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Heard these same exact things about kids skipping bowl games.

I think skipping bowl games is a selfish act. There are teammates, coaches, fans, students that care about the bowl games and want to win. Isn't quitting on them a selfish act?

What do you see as the point in opting out of a bowl game?
No you didn't. From the beginning with McCaffrey everyone said it didn't matter.
It's not quitting...the finished the semester
That bowl games serve no purpose. It's just a reward. It doesn't matter if you win or lose. Just for a free trip.
 
Interesting view about the lower-tier bowls. We'll see.

I think the 12-team playoff sucks all the oxygen out of the bowl system. The focus is the battle to be one of those 12 teams and then the series of games they play.

The problem for me with the previous NY6 bowls and the range of games during Bowl Week was not uninteresting matchups though there were some of those -- there always are -- but rather matchups that became uninteresting when a team's best players, the ones who got them to the bowl, declined to play. Our matchup with Ole Miss was very interesting...until we ended up having to play with a team that in important ways did not resemble the one that earned the bid.

What I'm waiting to see now is whether this will start happening in the regular season after teams are no longer in the running to make the cut of 12.

On a related note, with the playoff format in place, I think we could also do without the conference championship games. It's possible that the winner of this year's national championship will have played 16 games. I'm old enough to remember when some expressed indignation that the regular season was expanded to 11 games. It was too much to ask of college kids, some people said. Fast-forward a few decades and we're looking at...potentially 16 and definitely 15 for the prize winner. That's quite a grind.

Right, I know, there will be much snickering at the mention of "college kids." The concept has become laughable in the new era of college football. But still.

Don't get me wrong: I love this new playoff format and have waited a very long time for it to happen. But everything good comes with a price. In any case, I don't think we need the conference championship games anymore. Good luck with that though. Dollars rule.
The bowls already had oxygen sucked out of them with the 4 team playoff. The two other NY6 bowls were decent but not great. And as you mention, last year was awful because we got one of the "best" bowls and a NY6 bowl not counting a playoff game yet we still have all these opt outs.

When looking at the bowls. How many are there now not counting the playoff games? Say about 36. Well probablyat about 25 of these games just had average at best teams from small conferences playing and was never a big game even back 10 years ago with no opt outs. In other words the teams playing had no shot at the playoff and it is so far removed from the playoff games it is like a different league or division or whatever. Bowls like the Bahamas bowl, Myrtle Beach bowl etc. I don't think there will be much impact on these types of bowls. I mean if you are sitting down and watching the Bahamas bowl in a 4 team playoff system you probably still will in a 12 team system. Same with the people who attend. The ratings and fan attendance was already weak and will just stay that way.

The bowls just below the playoff bowls will be impacted. The ones played on New Years day or close to it that had decent teams. Capital One, Outback, Gator, Alamo, Holiday, Music City, etc. These games are played in big stadiums and expect good crowds.
 
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Um, the majority of players play in bowl games to win.
Competitors want to win at anything they do but that doesn't make it meaningful.
These are simply scrimmages to award teams that had good, mediocre or just not horrible years. It's a scrimmage. A nice trip where you get free stuff but the game itself is pointless and always has been aside from 2-3 bowls a year--sometimes one. That's why they're dying--thankfully. 40 years too late but thankfully.
 
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