Receiver Coach? Why hasn't he been fired?? Absolute Failure
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Let's see how the young receivers who are his recruits perform this season.
Yeah I saw that this is his third year which means that the recruits in the 2024 class were not his or mostly not his. On the other hand, it is concerning that some WRs have left and had success elsewhere. I think it’s put up or shut up time for him this year.
haven't we heard this before?
Unfortunately, I agree. We’ve seen an unmanaged chaotic WR room with no accountability or performance. It may again be the largest factor that holds us back from a natty.
Even Fleming took a step back compared to his production at OSU.
Now we're hanging our hats on two transfers not ranked on the top 30 and some mid level 3* freshman. I'm hoping for the best but it's tough being optimistic.
You think KLS was all in on PSU except for NIL? Dude stopped giving a shit after like 3 games 2 years ago.
So you do nothing pseudo insiders say. Say what you will. The proof is in the play. The team had an insubordinate and off the rails OC that tortured Allar, the receivers and the entire offense with his nonsense. An NIL package was pulled together for Julian Fleming who ended up contributing nothing in the passing game. KLS spoke out. Rip him all you want. Under the totality of the circumstances why should he have given a shit. The proof is in his production in an offense that wasn't forced to wear handcuffs. The right guys were fired the previous WR coach who wouldn't even travel for recruiting and the dim bulb OC that thought passes should go no further than 10 yards.
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That doesn't make the problem go away. Damn right there needs to be another thread.
They had one job. Just like last year and the year before. They still need two more from the spring portal. Nobody on this roster has proven a thing.
Why should he give a shit? Uh I don’t know maybe because while he was still on the team it shouldn’t be too much to ask for him to play up to the best of his ability instead of being a cancer.
I'm hoping that some of the poor stats for our WRs was due to an over reliance on Warren. That's usually where Allar looked first and opponents knew it. Hopefully the offense will spread the ball around more this fall and that will keep opposing defenses off balance.
That is a requisite for this upcoming season; as good as our tight ends are or will be, they most likely won't be as dominant as Warren, who was one of the best players ever to play at PSU. Also, if this doesn't happen, a running game that should be absolutely dominant will be affected.
Exactly. If you cry about it, repeatedly, on a message board that has absolutely no influence on anything related to the situation ... on multiple threads, rather than limiting your manic obsession to one thread ... suddenly, things will get better.
Delcolion915 has cracked the case.
Christ no matter how good Warren was and I think he is great. The passing game was too depend upon him. Receivers that get so few real game reps don't develop quickly. The TEs we have are fine. The ball needs spread around and more evenly.
They were and they weren't. Warren was so good that he corrected a lot of Allar's worst throws while the WRs couldn't make a play on some of Allar's best ones. (OSU goal line fade where they snatched a sure fire TD and took the ball away)
Barring the wheels fall off somewhere, this has the makings of a playoff team. The quality of WR play we get could easily determined how deep of a run we make. Same as '24.
Agree ... A lot has to do with Allar's development... Since both WRs that did so bad here are off to other teams. There will be more to discuss next season.
There is a lot to unpack in this comment. Insubordinate? I have better sources in the AD than most and I have never heard that. But, I would imagine there could be conflict because Franklin is known to be a rather insufferable person if you are not one of 'his' guys. As far as the 10 yard comment, you are 100% wrong. Yurcich is a one trick pony. He can only run the offense he learned from Mike Gundy which is predicated on the deep ball. It sets up everything. The wide zone running game which sets up the inside zone game.
However, that offense is exceptionally reliant on having a receiver in the mold of Chris Godwin to challenge the deep third. All he had was Jahan Dotson who struggled mightily against man coverage and couldn't get open deep. Never mind the fact that we didn't have offensive line talent to match the spread gap blocking scheme he used. The offense is on Franklin. He hired a system coordinator without any thought of how the talent on hand fit with what the MY wanted to do. That was a four year rebuild.
For the receiving position, we haven't had a good receiving coach since Stan Hixon. There are issues everywhere. High school scouting. and player selection have been a constant issue under Franklin regardless of the position coach. Player development has been overall poor except under Stubblefield, however, he was a poor recruiter. The problem here is we have very little talent at the position. We don't develop what we do have. The problems are systemic and the kids know this and will continue to stay away until we fix the problem.
The schedule is the biggest deciding factor regarding how far this team can go. If the schedule is as soft as the last three years, t hey make the playoffs and then the draw decides how far they go. We draw the worst two teams in the field, we go far. We draw anyone with a pulse in the first round, we lose because Franklin doesn't beat good teams. He hasn't beat a legit top fifteen team since Washington following the 2017 season and only has 2 wins lifetime, the other being 2016 Ohio State.
Gee I really missed your
Gee I haven’t seen you post in a while Captain Sunshine. Unfortunately, reading this or any of your other posts is like being put in a 12 x 12 room in a straitjacket and being forced to listen to a record player for hours which keeps sticking on the same sour note (Franklin sucks). I take it you are on a first name basis with Kraft huh?
Franklin is an above average head coach, he just needs to be properly motivated and needs to be held accountable when he makes poor decisions. That will fix the majority of our problems. Sandy saved him following the 2015 season by making his fire John Donovan and shake up the offensive staff when he didn't want to. Too bad he was allowed to run Hackenberg (the reason Joe Moorhead came to Penn State) and Shoop off without penalty. We could have won a title and the trajectory of the program would be different.
Maybe my recollection is faulty but didn’t Moorhead leave for a head coaching gig?
Dumbest post of the year coming in early this year.
He's a very well regarded coach and cycling coaches is part of the reason PSU has such a problem at the position. Why not see what he can do with players he has recruited?
The receivers problem is complicated. The receivers group last year wasn't great but it was a lot better than fans thought. They weren't targeted as much as they should have because A) the QB's accuracy from the pocket is highly inconsistent and B) Given A, it's a whole lot safer to throw to Tyler Warren who is 6-6 and huge and catches everything.
Not throwing to the receivers more early when they had games they weren't going to lose was one of the big mistakes of the season. It came back to bite them when teams like Ohio State and ND bracketed Warren and Allar had no confidence throwing to the wideouts in tight coverage. With hindsight, they should have spent less time promoting Warren for Heisman and targeted the wideouts 10 more times per game, particularly in games they weren't in danger of losing or late in games that they had in hand.
There's no question wideouts will get a lot more targets this year (and they will catch a lot of them) because there is no Tyler Warren and Allar and Coach K won't have any choice. If they want a passing game they're going to have to figure out how to throw to the wideouts whoever they are. They haven't got 5 star or even 4 star receivers really, they don't have anybody who is all-B1G caliber athlete but they do have scholarship Division 1-A players who have trained to be wide receivers for many years. So they should be able to come up with an offense that uses them even if it's just in a complementary way to what should be a good running game. Sometimes you have to figure out how to get A performances out of B talent. That's what Coach K is getting paid a lot of money to do.
If they want Singleton to have the year he's capable of, they're going to have to throw the ball to the middle of the field and throw deeper than 20 yards. Otherwise safeties will just stay low and play the run and short passing. Allar is going to have to throw more interceptions because he is going to have to pull the trigger and throw to tight windows to win games. He CAN do it, he CAN make the throws (as we saw against USC), but because of his location inconsistency he's afraid to throw INTs.
If they want Singleton to have the year he's capable of, they're going to have to throw the ball to the middle of the field and throw deeper than 20 yards. Otherwise safeties will just stay low and play the run and short passing. Allar is going to have to throw more interceptions because he is going to have to pull the trigger and throw to tight windows to win games. He CAN do it, he CAN make the throws (as we saw against USC), but because of his location inconsistency he's afraid to throw INTs.
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I'm rarely ever going to advocate firing a coach until he has recruited his own players, and they are on the field. Prior to NIL that took about year five years. Today is different. I think generally the talent coming out of HS these days is better and then there's the NIL factor where everyone pretty much agrees we are behind the eightball where the Big Boy Programs are concerned.
At this time as I see it WR recruiting is a hot mess and what every needs to be done to be to fix it needs to get done. It appears that there is no one left or seriously considering us from our one-time Hot Board and it would seem that players further down the board are trending away many being leans elsewhere. When three stars are trending away Houston has a problem.
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He did but that is besides the point. Franklin ran off Hack and Shoop. Moorhead came to Penn State with the intent of unleashing his offense (later installed by Joe Brady at LSU) but was stuck with a pedestrian option QB who lost two games and was the biggest factor in the third.
Hack turned pro. Got drafted in R2. That's the furtherest thing from "run off".
Shoop went to Tennessee for a bigger check i presume. He wasn't fired. He was sued to pay what he owed for a lateral move (broke his contract), then he counter-sued with his "hostile work environment". Things were settled, can't find any public information.
Needless to say, the defense has continued to improve since Shoop left. However, Shoop was there for the depleted roster years of sanctions so that's probably not a strong indicator of anything. Still, he hasn't been the hottest DC since going to Tennessee so I would say this worked out fine.
Moorhead ran his offense basically as predicted upon his hiring (11 personnel, 3 WR sets) based on the roster we had. Hack wasn't putting up Joe Burrow numbers if he returned for 2016. The OL couldn't block well enough to allow it. Other reasons, other factors as well, but I'm not beating that dead horse re: Hack, Brady, et al.
Moorhead didn't deviate from this at Miss State either where he took "more mobile than deadly passer" Tommy Stevens with him instead of bringing a pocket passer.
We gave Moorhead his leg up after leaving here (thankfully) he went backward at each stop until landing where he is now and will more than likely finish out his career there.
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What's crazy is that he had a near identical record (perhaps better) than Leach did at Starkville, but he got fired over it while Leach was applauded. Might have even been extended (I didn't check).
He was a good OC at Oregon as well, but his PSU stint is definitely his FBS hat hanger.
I thought he was overrated. After the Big Ten saw his stuff in season two they began to adjust. It didn't take that long in the SEC. He probably left the Left Coast at the right time. He should stay where he is. There he could be HC for Life.
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