Reece Humphrey on stalling
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I have a feeling this was directed to our fans in the Lee Pletcher match. Fans boo because they want to earn a point for their wrestler. It’s not going to change. It was bad optics for the booing to continue during his interview.
That's why I said I mostly agree with the booing critique by Humphrey.
LOL at the "optics", though. What is this, politics or wrestling?
Thankfully, no politics necessary. I’m just saying it was a bad look for our fans to be booing while Pletcher was being interviewed. We’ll survive.That's why I said I mostly agree with the booing critique by Humphrey.
LOL at the "optics", though. What is this, politics or wrestling?
I bet Lee takes the rubber match. He was close to points several times—and will have that glorious PSU bump from B1G condition to NCAA condition.
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I'll never understand this "don't boo the wrestler" mindset.
It's sports, boo the other team and their guys into oblivion. Pletcher ate it up, as any competitor would. We take this stuff way too seriously.
It's sports, boo the other team and their guys into oblivion. Pletcher ate it up, as any competitor would. We take this stuff way too seriously.
Like I said, it depends.
I darned sure would have booed Anthony Stallica every time he ran away from Retherford for 7 minutes. If every other wrestler, including overmatched ones, ran like some of these guys, we wouldn't have a sport. Ronnie Perry sure didn't run away. Anyway, more importantly, I would have booed the ref.
Incase anybody forgot what those matches looked liked.
He was literally the most frustrating wrestler to watch Zain wrestle lol. Zain could never blow it open against him and I don't think Zain got a takedown 2/3 matches but I was NEVER worried about Zain actually losing to that guy.
The ref tried to give Collica the match in the Nationals dual also with some BS stall calls on Zain. I really enjoyed seeing Theobold then Maruca bounce him in 2017.
I was unaware of the earned right to stall. But who knows, maybe Reece did not go to OSU to play school either. OSU athletes and the things they say have to make OSU alumni so freaking proud.
I've said it many times, we need consistency. Shouldn't matter if there is 30 seconds to go in the match or if it is the first 30 seconds. Referee should not be worried about score when deciding.
I honestly get what Reece is saying but he worded it very poorly. He should have at least said, hold position and defend. He literally called it stalling lol.
Brian Realbuto should have taken that advice against BoJo in the 2017 semis.
Brian Realbuto should have taken that advice against BoJo in the 2017 semis.
That is a silly statement with regard to stall as a right. Last 10 or 5 seconds maybe but even then running is stalling. I agree with McScoreley, be consistent.
It is a credit to wrestling that stalling is penalized. Does any other sport do this? When you have a 4th quarter lead in football you run the ball, stay in bounds and run the clock down before centering the ball. If you have a late 3rd period lead in hockey, you dump the puck. In basketball you run a 4 corners offense.
Football and basketball both have play clock/shot clock penalties. (The 4 corners was killed by the shot clock 35 years ago.)
Baseball rules also call for a pitch clock. It's not used in MLB but is enforced strictly in the minor leagues.
In hockey, dumping the puck often is icing, which means a defensive zone faceoff. Flipping it over the glass is a 2 minute penalty.
As Bill James has said, one of the biggest problems with baseball is simply that umpires always, as an unwritten rule, grant time when the batters ask for it.
There was a Cincinnati Red years ago who was absolutely notorious for this: George Foster. He would step out of the box at least 3 times per bat. It was completely absurd gamesmanship that should never have been permitted.
Under the actual rules, the umpire has every right to say, "No, stop screwing around and play ball" instead of letting someone like Foster d*** around for minutes on end. Time should only be granted when a batter *needs* time. There are a lot of SIMPLE things baseball could do to get games to a more normal time - off the top of my head, games now take something like 30 to 45 minutes longer than they did in the 1950s. It's totally out of hand.
Agreed -- see also Mike Hargrove, aka The Human Rain Delay. No way his batting gloves had to be readjusted after every pitch, especially the ones he didn't swing at.
The national pastime while awaiting the NCAA brackets...
Back to the OP -- who else thinks 30 seconds of stalling (running around, minimizing contact) at the end of a bout seems excessive? I can live with "around 10, maybe 15 seconds", but think a wrestler doing it for half a minute SHOULD get called for stalling.
I have not re-watched the Lee/Pletcher bout, but don't believe it was excessive, so maybe my position and question is a bit hypothetical. What do others think?
I have not re-watched the Lee/Pletcher bout, but don't believe it was excessive, so maybe my position and question is a bit hypothetical. What do others think?
I would say there should've been a 2nd stalling call on Pletcher before the last 30 seconds.
me too— but I wasn’t surprised to see it shake out the way it did. It seems like standard procedure to call it once in the final 40 seconds or so and believe that’s enough. our own guys have benefited from this too. Nico vs Gilman, Hall vs. BoJo both come to mind. It’s human nature to not want to be the cause of a change in a high profile result— but it’s not in the spirit of the rules and I wish there was a way to correct it equitably.
Since ankle riding and mat returns specify a 5-count, I'll go with 5 seconds as long enough.
The Hershey special -- meaningless first stall call in the last 10 sec of a match.
Who are we allowed to boo anymore? I'm not even looking for a reason to boo, but it seems like this is just soft at this point. What if they wrestler once had a grandparent pass away? You can't dare boo him for that. What if they had a sister who got sick when they were in the 3rd grade? We don't know their story!
It's primal. It's an audience sharing a general displeasure with the show that they paid for. These athletes are adults. I'm almost getting to the point of saying I don't care about booing HS kids because they need to know that in the real world, there's reactions for all of their actions. I don't boo HS kids, but college athletes are fair game. Maybe it's disrespectful to them, but it seems like everyone wants to defend people getting booed without remembering that I'd guess nobody boo's just for shits and giggles. There's usually an action that instigates a crowd-wide reaction.
It's primal. It's an audience sharing a general displeasure with the show that they paid for. These athletes are adults. I'm almost getting to the point of saying I don't care about booing HS kids because they need to know that in the real world, there's reactions for all of their actions. I don't boo HS kids, but college athletes are fair game. Maybe it's disrespectful to them, but it seems like everyone wants to defend people getting booed without remembering that I'd guess nobody boo's just for shits and giggles. There's usually an action that instigates a crowd-wide reaction.
There needs to be a new jeer started for the refs only, so the participants know the fans arent aiming their displeasure towards them.
Where did the “ boooo” originant anyway?
Edit... yes NoVa, it was intentional
Where did the “ boooo” originant anyway?
Edit... yes NoVa, it was intentional
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I always liked the hissing you get at gymnastics competitions. A classier way to show no respect.
I was at an elementary wrestling tournament once where a boy punched his opponent.
Some people booed him - it was hilarious in a "you had to be there" way. Then his mom, a very large and in charge person, made him apologize to everyone present; coaches, ref, the table, everyone.
So even boys should get booed once in a while, maybe.
Stalling is stalling. If it happens at any point of the match, for more than a few seconds, it ought to be called.
A college wrestling match is only 7 minutes long; 10 seconds is actually a long time. I don't think you should get more than a second or two of *obvious* stalling.
Games take about 90 minutes more to play than in the 1950s. The biggest reason is TV. If you are going to take TV money you have to have commercials.
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Not sure why this was directed at me.
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On the subject of booing I have never seen the point and so i just don't boo anyone. However, I understand why others do it.
WOW, are you stalking me? Very creepy.
I take my stalking very serious, thanks for noticing
Partly true, but other studies have explained that the actual gameplay is slower too. See my George Foster example.
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