ADVERTISEMENT

Report on July PSU Board of Trustees' Meeting

[QUOTEi="stormingnorm, post: 3558593, member: 83369"]Fixed some of the linkages..... (Hopefully) it should be working now. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]


When I said the “BOT not working for me” I wasn’t referring to the LINK. :rolleyes:

I was commenting on their last six years of embarrassing performance. :eek:
 
Barry, good stuff.

It would be nice if some of the many media outlets that announced the tuition freeze would write a new article.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ILLINOISLION
Report on Penn State Operating Budget and July PSU Board of Trustees' Meeting:

https://barryfenchak4trustee.wordpr...ease-tuition-by-6-and-claim-a-tuition-freeze/

Thanks for posting this. I'm hesitant to type my next words, but I'm having a hard time pinpointing the source of your outrage.

If you are outraged that there isn't a larger proportion of the budget spent on faculty, then I'm right there with you. Administrative bloat is never a good thing. Even allowing for many non-teaching positions (Title IX related, campus diversity and inclusion related) that simply didn't exist 20 years ago, I'd like to see the administration shrink.

However, you seem to also have an issue with the policies that have been enacted to "balance the budget." I have relatively little issue with this. Shifting the burden of tuition to out of state students who are willing to pay seems like a no brainer. The "university of the people" mantra is great, but until the taxpayers decide (through their elected officials) that they want to pay more than lip service to running the university, the university has (again IMHO), every right to alter their business model accordingly.

Again, I appreciate your work and the amount of time you spend thinking about this. But rather than pointing out problems, I'd love to see some solutions, e.g. "here are the pros and cons of eliminating capital development in favor of lowering tuition", or "here are the administrative cuts we'd need to have 25% more tenure track (rather than adjunct) faculty and what would be the pros and cons of that approach".
 
Absent the power to dismiss and replace the current board, there would seem to be no real solution. Even if every one of the A9 were to be on the same page and ready to fight tooth and nail, the outcome will always be the same.

PA's electorate clearly doesn't care, so the likelihood of a legislative solution seems just as unlikely. In a place where truth is dismissed as "fake" and lies are accepted as truth, what can you expect?
 
No (though Matt "UpYoursState" Schuyler did for Vice-Chair - - - and Crown Prince).

The vote for Dambly was something like 26-10...…. where I think the other 10 voted for Ted Brown (I can't recall it as Gospel Truth, but I think it would have been the "A9" + probably Weinstein who voted for Ted Brown. That may not be precise, but that was at least the rough gist of it).

Thank you

Remember when Schuyler was seen as a possible source of reasonableness? Another fairy tale
 
  • Like
Reactions: stormingnorm
No (though Matt "UpYoursState" Schuyler did for Vice-Chair - - - and Crown Prince).

The vote for Dambly was something like 26-10...…. where I think the other 10 voted for Ted Brown (I can't recall it as Gospel Truth, but I think it would have been the "A9" + probably Weinstein who voted for Ted Brown. That may not be precise, but that was at least the rough gist of it).

The vote was 26-10. Capretto, Weinstein and 8 of the A9 voted for Brown. I do not know which 8.

The vote for Schuyler was 35-0 with one vote for someone else.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Zenophile
I, for one, do not think that the state should give PSU a single dime. Rather than increase state appropriations, I think it should be eliminated entirely. The BOT has shown no interest in responsible management or spending, and as far as I am concerned, I have no interest in my tax dollars eventually winding up in Dambly's or Lubert's bank account. I have expressed this opinion to my state representative. As I've posted here before, he is fully aware of how many out of state students are being admitted these days, and his view is that there is no reason why more state dollars should be spent on so many out of state students.

If the BOT wants a private university that belongs to them, alone, then let them have it. I surely do not wish to finance it.
 
I, for one, do not think that the state should give PSU a single dime. Rather than increase state appropriations, I think it should be eliminated entirely. The BOT has shown no interest in responsible management or spending, and as far as I am concerned, I have no interest in my tax dollars eventually winding up in Dambly's or Lubert's bank account. I have expressed this opinion to my state representative. As I've posted here before, he is fully aware of how many out of state students are being admitted these days, and his view is that there is no reason why more state dollars should be spent on so many out of state students.

If the BOT wants a private university that belongs to them, alone, then let them have it. I surely do not wish to finance it.
I have heard through a reputable source that the university is expecting just that to happen--that the state will eliminate the subsidy in the near future--and is planning for it.
 
Fair questions/thoughts..... and I am sure you don't/haven't catalogued my thoughts or research on those matters, but - rest assured - I've beaten them to death through God knows how many channels (to the point were, I have to admit, I have grown tired and rather disheartened from time to time) .

Just a few "for instances" addressing points you brought up::

"....However, you seem to also have an issue with the policies that have been enacted to "balance the budget." I have relatively little issue with this. Shifting the burden of tuition to out of state students who are willing to pay seems like a no brainer...."

The "problem" there is twofold:
1) There are HUGE negative impacts resulting from those "strategies" - as I have outlined here, among other places:


and

2) Those actions are completely unnecessary, and only serve to catalyze the underlying problems - - - to the point where they have almost metastacized into the Institutional DNA - and get harder and harder to correct every year.


And - a third, and maybe most important point - those strategies have NOT (and never were intended to) alleviated the burden on the In-State students..... all it has done is eliminated opportunities for them, and fattened an already engorged Bureaucracy.




"....I'd love to see some solutions...."

As you state - recognizing a problem is only half the battle (though it is an important half - since you can't even begin to solve the problem until you can recognize its existence), but it is equally important to find workable solutions...… fortunately, those solutions are out there:

I've addressed numerous issues/solutions in the past (here are just a couple of them):

https://barryfenchak4trustee.wordpr...ated-administration-and-a-five-step-solution/

and here (which is actually just the first of a five part series):



Unfortunately, unless and until we see someone in a position of standing - or place someone in a position of standing - who cares, understands, and can be committed and unconflicted enough to actually address the issues..... PSU is kinda' f&cked.


That is the "it is what it is" at the current time.

Alas.

Thanks for the reply. I will spend some time reading some of your other writings (which are lengthy and I appreciate the effort).

Ultimately, in order to accomplish any change PSU would need the support of Harrisburg. This manifests itself in three ways:

1) If the BOT structure of overhauled (I believe it should be) that has to come from Harrisburg because the BOT itself will never vote to make itself smaller. In fact, IIRC, the last time a recommendation came (from H'burg?) that they shrink the size of the board, the made it larger(!!!!).

2) When Harrisburg controls so many seats on the board it is almost a moot point what the A9 do. You can complain about their leadership and their votes, but 9 votes cannot out vote the "Harrisburg appointees". If you cannot shrink the size of the board, you could have change if Harrisburg appointed board members who wanted change.

3) Without a bigger budget from Harrisburg, much of this is (IMHO) in the margins. You can complain about capital projects, but they are (in most cases) necessary. You can complain about admins salaries, but if we want to attract top talent, that's the game you have to play. We need to politically force Harrisburg to contribute to the university budget in a meaningful way. The 5% (or whatever it is now) is bull excrement.

Anyway, thanks again for your hard work. Although we disagree on some points, you obviously care very deeply about the University (as do I) and I sincerely appreciate the time you spend on this.
 
Thanks for the reply. I will spend some time reading some of your other writings (which are lengthy and I appreciate the effort).

Ultimately, in order to accomplish any change PSU would need the support of Harrisburg. This manifests itself in three ways:

1) If the BOT structure of overhauled (I believe it should be) that has to come from Harrisburg because the BOT itself will never vote to make itself smaller. In fact, IIRC, the last time a recommendation came (from H'burg?) that they shrink the size of the board, the made it larger(!!!!).

2) When Harrisburg controls so many seats on the board it is almost a moot point what the A9 do. You can complain about their leadership and their votes, but 9 votes cannot out vote the "Harrisburg appointees". If you cannot shrink the size of the board, you could have change if Harrisburg appointed board members who wanted change.

3) Without a bigger budget from Harrisburg, much of this is (IMHO) in the margins. You can complain about capital projects, but they are (in most cases) necessary. You can complain about admins salaries, but if we want to attract top talent, that's the game you have to play. We need to politically force Harrisburg to contribute to the university budget in a meaningful way. The 5% (or whatever it is now) is bull excrement.

Anyway, thanks again for your hard work. Although we disagree on some points, you obviously care very deeply about the University (as do I) and I sincerely appreciate the time you spend on this.

Barron's comp places him in the top 15 of all public universities. Last year he was in the top 10. Don't think money is an issue here.
 
I, for one, do not think that the state should give PSU a single dime. Rather than increase state appropriations, I think it should be eliminated entirely. The BOT has shown no interest in responsible management or spending, and as far as I am concerned, I have no interest in my tax dollars eventually winding up in Dambly's or Lubert's bank account. I have expressed this opinion to my state representative. As I've posted here before, he is fully aware of how many out of state students are being admitted these days, and his view is that there is no reason why more state dollars should be spent on so many out of state students.

If the BOT wants a private university that belongs to them, alone, then let them have it. I surely do not wish to finance it.
So by following your logic, Penn State would wind up costing Pennsylvania kids about $60,000 per year to attend - just like other private universities. That’s not in anyone’s interest. The state funding helps prevent PSU from becoming a Bucknell, Lehigh, etc. that most PSU students simply could not afford. Yeah I’m sure your State representative would want to do that.
 
So by following your logic, Penn State would wind up costing Pennsylvania kids about $60,000 per year to attend - just like other private universities. That’s not in anyone’s interest. The state funding helps prevent PSU from becoming a Bucknell, Lehigh, etc. that most PSU students simply could not afford. Yeah I’m sure your State representative would want to do that.
Serious question: Are you an employee of the university?
 
Get a new “reputable source”. o_O , or a new hearing aid. :rolleyes: ...... that song-and-dance has been marinating with the low-capacity crowd for a looooong time now.

(Not that there wouldn’t be a lot of justifiable motive if it were to happen...... but it surely ain’t imminent :) )

But it sure would be fun to watch. I'm a big fan of slapstick and physical farce.
 
  • Like
Reactions: stormingnorm
Serious question: Are you an employee of the university?
No. Not even close. I was never employed in any education related field. I’m not a fan of the BOT or the administration but I love Penn state. I was able to attend PSU because I was able to get a scholarship and I worked summer and part time jobs at barely minimum wage to earn enough to be able to afford it.

I just want to see opportunities available for kids who aren’t wealthy. My father died at an early age we didn’t have any money for private school tuitions. My mother made a lot of sacrifices because she knew the value of a good education. There are many Penn State students who have similar stories. I help some of them now financially because I can afford to. Penn State is the reason I later became successful in life. I’ve been very fortunate. It’s very short sighted to remove PSU as an option for students who can’t afford $60,000 in private school tuition by cutting off all State aid to the State’s flagship university. We Are....better then that.
 
Last edited:
Some (hopefully) relatively brief replies.... and then I'm gonna' vow to walk away...….



"Ultimately, in order to accomplish any change PSU would need the support of Harrisburg. This manifests itself in three ways:


1) If the BOT structure of overhauled (I believe it should be) that has to come from Harrisburg because the BOT itself will never vote to make itself smaller. In fact, IIRC, the last time a recommendation came (from H'burg?) that they shrink the size of the board, the made it larger(!!!!).

2) When Harrisburg controls so many seats on the board it is almost a moot point what the A9 do. You can complain about their leadership and their votes, but 9 votes cannot out vote the "Harrisburg appointees". If you cannot shrink the size of the board, you could have change if Harrisburg appointed board members who wanted change.""...…...

ULTIMATELY, yes, it is highly likely to require legislative intervention.

The question is, if it ULTIMATELY will require legislative intervention, does that mean you ("you" being the Trustees, and those that elect them) sit back and do nothing - or less-than-nothing - as if to wait for some divine intervention?
I would hope not, and I have ALWAYS said that any HOPE for legislative intervention requires - at a minimum - that SOME GROUP (the "A9" would have been the best one) stand up for, and speak out for, and support, responsible governance.
To date - that is a big fat abject "FAIL"... and, as any reasonable person would have predicted, that "FAIL" has contributed to:
Both Yudichak Bills
The DePasquale Audit
The Bernstein Proposal
etc
All falling into a bottomless pit of nothing.

It is impossible to be a respected advocate for "Responsible Governance", and to have any positive impact for governance reform, when you (the "A9", and to a lesser degree all of "Us" Alums and Penn Staters) FAIL in your governance duties ....... just as pitifully as the Scoundrels you are hoping to "reform".
Stating the obvious - - - "We can't do it alone" - - - -does not mitigate the fact that we do need to help and advocate.... and, to date, have done a ridiculously shitty job of doing that.

The folks down in Harrisburg - rightfully - laugh off the "A9", who SHOULD be the leaders in the advocacy for responsible governance, as just what they are.... Statue Messiahs, Self-Serving Hypocrites, and Enuchs.



"3) Without a bigger budget from Harrisburg, much of this is (IMHO) in the margins. You can complain about capital projects, but they are (in most cases) necessary. You can complain about admins salaries, but if we want to attract top talent, that's the game you have to play. We need to politically force Harrisburg to contribute to the university budget in a meaningful way. The 5% (or whatever it is now) is bull excrement.


Couple things:

Just quickly, the "5%" nonsense that PSU PR likes to spout is.... just that.... nonsense.
1) The 5% is a comparison of the General Funds appropriation to the total "PSU Budget" - - - 1/2 of that budget is the HMC (which they fold in for those purposes, even though there is obviously absolutely no reason for the State to fund HMC) - - - so, at that point, the figure is more like 10%
2) PSU also never mentions the direct subsidy vav PHEAA. I do not know that exact figure as of this year (try finding that in the spaghetti plate of PSU finances :) ) but it is very significant.
3) PSU also receives a large chunk of State funding under the heading of research.
All of that is direct underwriting from the Commonwealth...… Put it all together - as best one can - and you are probably looking at 25% or so "PA State Funding"... maybe a bit more.
Now, factor in the ever DECREASING opportunities for Commonwealth Citizens (the increase Out of State admissions etc), and if one were being most reasonable, a figure of 50% from the State, wrt underwriting the "PA Part" of the operations would be a more reasonable figure.
Should the Commonwealth pay even more? Should they pay less? IDK... but the 5% figure is bullshit propaganda spin at its finest

FWIW: If you add in Federal Dollars, well over 1/2 of PSU's spending is paid for by the government.
(I broke the PA and Fed stuff down in a detailed analysis last year - maybe it was early 2018.... its probably still archived on my sites)



Your contentions vav Capital Projects and Admin Costs are simply not true.

That isn't a criticism, but one would have to spend to time to follow these things with some depth - and be smart/trained enough to understand them - to know (and very few folks are going to do that)

Cap Projects:
It would not be worthwhile to go through it all here again, but spending 2, 3, 4 times reasonable market rates in construction costs is simply NOT defensible - - - - even if many of the purposes of the projects might be.
In actuality, several of the Capital Spending projects are laughable on their face (simply being utterly unnecessary), but even if one assumes they are all "needed"..... there is no defensible position for - for example - spending $500,000 PER DORMITORY ROOM in a construction project.
Yet, this happens every day at PSU (I've gone through them so many times - in great detail - that I would even bore myself to do it again..... but all that type of stuff is archived on my sites)
And anyone paying attention knows why so much is wasted/stolen.

Admin Costs.
The bulk of the Admin bloat has (practically) NOTHING to do with a need to "attract talent".
Much of the bloat is simply and completely unnecessary spending on unnecessary (and generally counter-productive) layers of bureaucracy. Not only is there no need to "attract that talent" - it is a net negative before you even pay the salaries.
Much is extravagant spending...… the arguments for "needed to attract talent" are absolutely ludicrous (if one is actually paying attention).
Again, I could go on at great length (but that info is all archived elsewhere), but just a couple for instances:
Does anyone in their right mind think that it was "necessary" to pay Barron ANOTHER $800,000 to keep him? (Putting aside, for the moment, the notion that one would WANT to keep him LOL)
Where was he going to go? When he is already the highest-compensated public university president in the entire damn nation?
How about the "Market Value" adjustments for guys like Gray, Jones, etc - who, as administrators - where ALREADY bringing in salaries higher than the average UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT throughout the nation?
Where were they gonna' go? To a "competitor"? :)
It's a sad, pathetic joke - - - - - and this is repeated hundreds (if not thousands) of times University-wide.
Is there any rationale for having MORE "Finance Professionals" working for PSU in an administrative capacity - then we have in the entire Smeal Business College, doing the actual Educational and Research missions of the University.

It is truly stunning - if one takes the time to research and analyze this stuff.







Anyway, thanks again for your hard work. Although we disagree on some points, you obviously care very deeply about the University (as do I) and I sincerely appreciate the time you spend on this.

I appreciate the kind words... I do.
But I remain absolutely beyond the limits of "frustrated" and "disheartened" at the utter dearth of ANYONE - - both those with a DUTY to act (the A9 etc), as well as those who I WISH would act (Alums etc) - willing to actually give responsible governance anything more than a little self-serving, feel-good lip service.


Alas. It is what it is.
Isn't the PHEAA an subsidy to all schools?? As I recall, and its been a long time since I used it, it was for any college. So I can see why PSU does not count it. Also, given that it goes via the student, that would make it an indirect subsidy--by definition.
 
Uh...... no.


1) PHEAA grants go direct to the University
2) Perhaps - for some - I need to be more clear. I was talking about the PHEAA $$$ that goes to PENN STATE, not ALL of the PHEAA money that goes to all Universities (that would be a lot more :) )



Enjoy
Gotcha. It wasn't clear, so I appreciate the update. Not being a PA resident in 40 years (and not having kids) makes some of this a bit muddy to me.
 
  • Like
Reactions: stormingnorm
No. Not even close. I was never employed in any education related field. I’m not a fan of the BOT or the administration but I love Penn state. I was able to attend PSU because I was able to get a scholarship and I worked summer and part time jobs at barely minimum wage to earn enough to be able to afford it.

I just want to see opportunities available for kids who aren’t wealthy. My father died at an early age we didn’t have any money for private school tuitions. My mother made a lot of sacrifices because she knew the value of a good education. There are many Penn State students who have similar stories. I help some of them now financially because I can afford to. Penn State is the reason I later became successful in life. I’ve been very fortunate. It’s very short sighted to remove PSU as an option for students who can’t afford $60,000 in private school tuition by cutting off all State aid to the State’s flagship university. We Are....better then that.
Thanks! I share a similar story as you (sans scholarship) and I feel fortunate to have a PENN STATE degree. I appreciate your position but your suggestions seem to want to ignore the malfeasance that is taking place. I feel that tuition is headed towards $60k regardless of the state funding.

Barry’s numbers refute the claims that are being made by PSU yet you are the one linking the misleading article about holding the line on tuition. I like your passion but I don’t think your “cheerleader” approach will get results.
 
  • Like
Reactions: bytir
With regards to BOT reform through the Legislature, hasn't all of those bills been tabled in the Education Committee in the Senate? Or was it tabled by some other Committee?
 
Has anyone noticed it's always the same scenario here? Don't we have a bunch of academics running the University? What could be the problem? Next step. We need the legislature to step in! Absolutely, they've done such a bang up job running the state, defending the university, and keeping their promises. That goes from governors to AG's.

Bottom line. The answer is always the same. When bureaucrats try to fix anything, they raise taxes and never look inside. Pretty simple what's happening, they have no clue how to fix a damn thing. All they've done is stopped fishing in Lake Erie and moved to the Atlantic ocean. Bigger sea, more fish.
 
Thanks! I share a similar story as you (sans scholarship) and I feel fortunate to have a PENN STATE degree. I appreciate your position but your suggestions seem to want to ignore the malfeasance that is taking place. I feel that tuition is headed towards $60k regardless of the state funding.

Barry’s numbers refute the claims that are being made by PSU yet you are the one linking the misleading article about holding the line on tuition. I like your passion but I don’t think your “cheerleader” approach will get results.
There are a lot of idiots on this board espousing quick fixes like don’t give them a damn penny. It’s an emotional statement but makes no sense. I just want the best for the kids of Pa. and for Penn State. In two of the last four years their tuition has remained stable. If that statement makes me a cheerleader, I’ll be glad to cheer.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Nittany Ziggy
Has anyone noticed it's always the same scenario here? Don't we have a bunch of academics running the University? What could be the problem? Next step. We need the legislature to step in! Absolutely, they've done such a bang up job running the state, defending the university, and keeping their promises. That goes from governors to AG's.

Bottom line. The answer is always the same. When bureaucrats try to fix anything, they raise taxes and never look inside. Pretty simple what's happening, they have no clue how to fix a damn thing. All they've done is stopped fishing in Lake Erie and moved to the Atlantic ocean. Bigger sea, more fish.
The problem isn't the legislature- that gang of thieves could be changed very quickly. The problem is the people who vote for the same cast of characters year after year. Last time I looked, Pennsylvania state legislators were the second or third highest paid out of all 50 states- why do people tolerate this when PA's roads, schools, and employment opportunities are nowhere near that high in national ranking? Never mind PSU, Harrisburg needs a through douching.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Hotshoe
There are a lot of idiots on this board espousing quick fixes like don’t give them a damn penny. It’s an emotional statement but makes no sense. I just want the best for the kids of Pa. and for Penn State. In two of the last four years their tuition has remained stable. If that statement makes me a cheerleader, I’ll be glad to cheer.
So if that allows less Pennsylvania kids to attend, you cheer for that?
 
Some folks aren’t real deep thinkers. :rolleyes:


Wouldn’t want to strain themselves.
Apparently not. But if you took the time to do the research you might discover that PSU is not an outlier, but of course then you would have nothing to complain about, people to insult, or childish emoticons to employ. You are taking a very parochial view. If PSU were not a great university out of state kids wouldn’t be lining up to go there. 70% of the students are from Pa. They are not getting shut out. This is common for universities which are located within a few hours of high population states (NJ, NY, MD,) in the northeast metropolis and Pa has many colleges with similar or higher rates of out of state attendees. At the University of Delaware only 37.6% if their students are from Delaware! At West Virginia University only 46.8% are from in state. Plus many universities with strong engineering and computer science programs attract students from abroad. The higher tuition from out of state kids helps subsidize the tuition of Pa kids.
 
Last edited:
The question is, if it ULTIMATELY will require legislative intervention, does that mean you ("you" being the Trustees, and those that elect them) sit back and do nothing - or less-than-nothing - as if to wait for some divine intervention?
I would hope not, and I have ALWAYS said that any HOPE for legislative intervention requires - at a minimum - that SOME GROUP (the "A9" would have been the best one) stand up for, and speak out for, and support, responsible governance.
Correct me if I am wrong, but in order to have any formal recommendation from the BOT, it has to be voted on, yes? And the A9 doesn't have the votes to get anything like what propose agreed upon (i.e. there can be no formal resolution or recommendation). Or when they try to do something (like the meeting they called re: the Freeh Report review), the non A9 members can just not show up, nullifying the effort. And I further recall that the BOT adopted (for lack of a better term) "conduct rules" (I heard this referred to as the Lubrano rule) basically saying that if a board member is out of line, they can be sanctioned(?)/booted(?) which could prevent board members from speaking directly Harrisburg on Board related matters. So please explain, given how broken the system is, WHAT the A9 should be doing exactly?




Couple things:

Just quickly, the "5%" nonsense that PSU PR likes to spout is.... just that.... nonsense.

3) PSU also receives a large chunk of State funding under the heading of research.


FWIW: If you add in Federal Dollars, well over 1/2 of PSU's spending is paid for by the government.
To some extent, this accounting exercise is based on operationally defined budget categories. You are doing the math in a way that supports your position. Doing the math another way doesn't make the math wrong, it just is using different operational definitions (assumptions). I'll speak on the topic of research funding because this is something (as a research scientist) that I know a lot about. There is no good reason to include those dollars in with the operational budget of the university. These funds are not paying for classrooms or TAs or professors salaries (with some exceptions that I can get into if people want clarification). Research dollars have very, very little bearing on undergraduate education. They do pay for research assistanceships (funding for graduate students), laboratory equipment and supplies, travel for faculty, staff and students (conferences, field work, etc), and in some cases facilities (e.g. some DoD funded projects require very big physical spaces). Furthermore, these funds fluctuate (sometimes drastically so within a department) over the course of years. You cannot budget for research dollars the same way you budget for other "income" categories (like tuition). So for someone who understands what research dollars pay for, it would be illogical to lump that in with tuition dollars.

So you can quibble (if you like) about whether the number is 5% or 10%, but it is certainly NOT 50% because including the research dollars is nonsensical.




Your contentions vav Capital Projects and Admin Costs are simply not true.

Cap Projects:
It would not be worthwhile to go through it all here again, but spending 2, 3, 4 times reasonable market rates in construction costs is simply NOT defensible - - - - even if many of the purposes of the projects might be.
In actuality, several of the Capital Spending projects are laughable on their face (simply being utterly unnecessary), but even if one assumes they are all "needed"..... there is no defensible position for - for example - spending $500,000 PER DORMITORY ROOM in a construction project.
Have you seen the bid process? If not, how do you know that these rates are not reasonable?

.
 
Apparently not. But if you took the time to do the research you might discover that PSU is not an outlier, but of course then you would have nothing to complain about, people to insult, or childish emoticons to employ. You are taking a very parochial view. If PSU were not a great university out of state kids wouldn’t be lining up to go there. 70% of the students are from Pa. They are not getting shut out. This is common for universities which are located within a few hours of high population states (NJ, NY, MD,) in the northeast metropolis and Pa has many colleges with similar or higher rates of out of state attendees. At the University of Delaware only 37.6% if their students are from Delaware! At West Virginia University only 46.8% are from in state. Plus many universities with strong engineering and computer science programs attract students from abroad. The higher tuition from out of state kids helps subsidize the tuition of Pa kids.
I wish I could like this twice. Well stated.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Nitwit
1) Surrender to my inability to even consider that I would have the talents to "enlighten" someone of your capacities. Mea F-ing Culpa.
.
You've now convinced me that you think WAAAAAY too highly of yourself, which is not really a good look for some one that wants to be a leader.

I stand behind my points about research dollars. You don't have to agree with me, but I'm quite confident I'm closer to that issue than you are.

Take care.
 
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT