Retherford NCAA Clarification

[SJP80]

NCAA sent this out today as a direct result of the Retherford match:

Situation #4 on Page 119 of the rules book states:

Wrestler A has legs on Wrestler B. Wrestler B stands up with the legs still in. The referee stops the match for a stalemate. Wrestler A again applies the legs on Wrestler B while on the mat. Wrestler B again stands up. Question: Who should be called for stalling? Ruling: Wrestler B should be called for stalling for repeatedly standing up to break a legal move.

Clarification:

The bottom man should called for stalling, for standing up with the leg-ride in, only when the offensive wrestler has the leg in, while the defensive wrestler is completely down on the mat (hands and knees touching the mat with the leg-ride in) and the defensive man repeatedly rises to the standing position to secure a stalemate call.

In all other instances in which the offensive wrestler has the leg-ride in, or is attempting to get the leg-ride in, while the defensive wrestler is attempting to escape, it is the responsibility of the offensive wrestler to attempt to return the defensive wrestler back to the mat.

 

[liex26]

It should say:
Wrestler A is a visitor
Wrestler B is at Home
Forget Wrestler B is at home and use the rule book.

 

[RVARZR]

I wonder when they send out the memo that you have to slap the mat when a guy is pinned.

 

[ptomaselli]

NCAA sent this out today as a direct result of the Retherford match:

Situation #4 on Page 119 of the rules book states:

Wrestler A has legs on Wrestler B. Wrestler B stands up with the legs still in. The referee stops the match for a stalemate. Wrestler A again applies the legs on Wrestler B while on the mat. Wrestler B again stands up. Question: Who should be called for stalling? Ruling: Wrestler B should be called for stalling for repeatedly standing up to break a legal move.

Clarification:

The bottom man should called for stalling, for standing up with the leg-ride in, only when the offensive wrestler has the leg in, while the defensive wrestler is completely down on the mat (hands and knees touching the mat with the leg-ride in) and the defensive man repeatedly rises to the standing position to secure a stalemate call.

In all other instances in which the offensive wrestler has the leg-ride in, or is attempting to get the leg-ride in, while the defensive wrestler is attempting to escape, it is the responsibility of the offensive wrestler to attempt to return the defensive wrestler back to the mat.

Let's see what happens at Nationals.

 

[dunkej01]

Psu wrestling always helping the sport grow

 

[PSU Mike]

In all other instances in which the offensive wrestler has the leg-ride in, or is attempting to get the leg-ride in, while the defensive wrestler is attempting to escape, it is the responsibility of the offensive wrestler to attempt to return the defensive wrestler back to the mat.

Well, that's clear as mud. So the official must determine whether the bottom guy is trying to get a stalemate or escape?

 

[RoarLions1]

This is a result, I'm fairly certain, of a request from our coaching staff, to Tim Shiels, for rule clarification after the debacle in Stillwater. They wanted to know how it would be called.

 

[Lyco1990]

NCAA sent this out today as a direct result of the Retherford match:

Situation #4 on Page 119 of the rules book states:

Wrestler A has legs on Wrestler B. Wrestler B stands up with the legs still in. The referee stops the match for a stalemate. Wrestler A again applies the legs on Wrestler B while on the mat. Wrestler B again stands up. Question: Who should be called for stalling? Ruling: Wrestler B should be called for stalling for repeatedly standing up to break a legal move.

Clarification:

The bottom man should called for stalling, for standing up with the leg-ride in, only when the offensive wrestler has the leg in, while the defensive wrestler is completely down on the mat (hands and knees touching the mat with the leg-ride in) and the defensive man repeatedly rises to the standing position to secure a stalemate call.

In all other instances in which the offensive wrestler has the leg-ride in, or is attempting to get the leg-ride in, while the defensive wrestler is attempting to escape, it is the responsibility of the offensive wrestler to attempt to return the defensive wrestler back to the mat.

Wow, as a former official that is ridiculous. So based on the "clarification" if one of the defensive wrestlers knees or hands are not on mat this is on the top guy. I doubt the person who wrote this considered the ramifications of this. So basically if the top guy throws legs in in the tripod position and the defensive wrestler stands up the onus has shifted to the top guy to return the defensive wrestler to the mat completely contradicting how this has been called for years if not decades.

 

[jack66]

The memo doesn't say anything about the bottom wrestler pulling in the leg to prevent the top wrestler returning him to the mat.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Wow, as a former official that is ridiculous. So based on the "clarification" if one of the defensive wrestlers knees or hands are not on mat this is on the top guy. I doubt the person who wrote this considered the ramifications of this. So basically if the top guy throws legs in in the tripod position and the defensive wrestler stands up the onus has shifted to the top guy to return the defensive wrestler to the mat completely contradicting how this has been called for years if not decades.

Not to mention if one of his knees, if only barely, is off the mat at the time the leg goes in....and wrestler stands, it's on the top wrestler? Huh?

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

So if a wrestler does a half sit-out (where he posts one leg), top wrestler throws a leg in and then the bottom wrestler manages to get to his feet from this position, it's stalling on the top wrestler? Huh? Whaaaaaaaa?

 

[ClarkstonMark]

So if a wrestler does a half sit-out (where he posts one leg), top wrestler throws a leg in and then the bottom wrestler manages to get to his feet from this position, it's stalling on the top wrestler? Huh? Whaaaaaaaa?

That is the way I think it should be called. Why don't you?

 

[Clarion167]

The crazy thing here is the whole reason Collica stood up. He never try's to escape. He stands to avoid legs which by rule 4 is stalling. NCAA lays another egg.

 

[21Guns]

NCAA sent this out today as a direct result of the Retherford match:

Situation #4 on Page 119 of the rules book states:

Wrestler A has legs on Wrestler B. Wrestler B stands up with the legs still in. The referee stops the match for a stalemate. Wrestler A again applies the legs on Wrestler B while on the mat. Wrestler B again stands up. Question: Who should be called for stalling? Ruling: Wrestler B should be called for stalling for repeatedly standing up to break a legal move.

Clarification:

The bottom man should called for stalling, for standing up with the leg-ride in, only when the offensive wrestler has the leg in, while the defensive wrestler is completely down on the mat (hands and knees touching the mat with the leg-ride in) and the defensive man repeatedly rises to the standing position to secure a stalemate call.

In all other instances in which the offensive wrestler has the leg-ride in, or is attempting to get the leg-ride in, while the defensive wrestler is attempting to escape, it is the responsibility of the offensive wrestler to attempt to return the defensive wrestler back to the mat.

I don't see how this is possible. Hagerty has worked 16 Big Twelve tournaments and all of his fellow officials say he is the best. Simply not possible.

 

[21Guns]

Let's see what happens at Nationals.

Call it wrong again on Saturday night or Friday night in St. Louis, and whoever blows it, will be calling attention to himself in a bad way.

I'm pretty sure that you saw the first, and last time, that will be called stalling on top, in Stillwater. Which is as it should be.

 

[Real-Lion]

The crazy thing here is the whole reason Collica stood up. He never try's to escape. He stands to avoid legs which by rule 4 is stalling. NCAA lays another egg.

They should call the guy that keeps standing for stalling at Big Tens this coming week....Sorenson will stand and he should be hit....The Iowa crowd who will not read will be yelling for stalling....

 

[21Guns]

Just another reason why Cael and the staff is the greatest in the sport: They called him out. Now, lets hear his explanation on the Heil pin. Yes, I said the Heil pin. Heil was pinned.

 

[minnhawkeye]

Man are all wrestling fans so happy that Penn State coaches have been able to get the rules all straighten out for the rest of us...

 

[Dungeon Yankee]

Man are all wrestling fans so happy that Penn State coaches have been able to get the rules all straighten out for the rest of us...

I'm glad you see the same thing that I do.

 

[jammenz]

When does Cael get the NCAA rule on "fleeing the mat"?

 

[21Guns]

When does Cael get the NCAA rule on "fleeing the mat"?

You mean what Tony Nelson did in the third period against Gwiz when he crawled out of bounds to get a timeout and a free lunger?

 

[LemonPie]

I guess I'm not much of a ref. I thought Zain stalled his ass off.

 

[lockhavenlion3]

When does Cael get the NCAA rule on "fleeing the mat"?

next time we wrestling minny would be my guess.