Ringer wins the Hodge
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that's poop, just poop. No seriously, congrats to the young man. He does deserve the award for a magnificent season and career. I think Zain had a more dominant season though.
Congratulations to Dieringer, on a great year and marvelous career! A legendary wrestling achievement for Oklahoma State's storied program.
From WIN Magazine site...
From WIN Magazine site...
Dieringer wins 2016 WIN Magazine/Culture House Dan Hodge Trophy, presented by ASICS
http://www.win-magazine.com/v2/2016/03/dieringer-wins-2016-win-magazineculture-house-dan-hodge-trophy-presented-by-asics/
http://www.win-magazine.com/v2/2016/03/dieringer-wins-2016-win-magazineculture-house-dan-hodge-trophy-presented-by-asics/
I can live with this choice. Hope those voters realize they owe Zain the next close one.
Zain Retherford finished second for the 2016 Hodge Trophy.
From OP's link...
Finishing second to Dieringer was Penn State sophomore Zain Retherford, a two-time All-American, who claimed his first national championship at 149 pounds with a 10-1 major decision against Iowa’s Brandon Sorensen in the New York City.
Retherford won the on-line fan vote, which accounted for two of the 45 votes. A total of 149,592 votes were cast March 22-25 with Retherford collecting 41,221 compared to 38,716 for Dieringer.
The remaining voters were each former Hodge Trophy winner, select national wrestling media representatives, retired college coaches from each region of the country and a representative of each national wrestling organization.
There were two other finalists for the award: Ohio State sophomore Kyle Snyder, who defeated two-time NCAA champion Nick Gwiazdowski for the heavyweight championship; and Cornell senior Nahshon Garrett, a four-time All-American, who defeated Iowa’s Cory Clark for the 133-pound championship at the recent NCAAs.
Retherford won the on-line fan vote, which accounted for two of the 45 votes. A total of 149,592 votes were cast March 22-25 with Retherford collecting 41,221 compared to 38,716 for Dieringer.
The remaining voters were each former Hodge Trophy winner, select national wrestling media representatives, retired college coaches from each region of the country and a representative of each national wrestling organization.
There were two other finalists for the award: Ohio State sophomore Kyle Snyder, who defeated two-time NCAA champion Nick Gwiazdowski for the heavyweight championship; and Cornell senior Nahshon Garrett, a four-time All-American, who defeated Iowa’s Cory Clark for the 133-pound championship at the recent NCAAs.
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It is well deserved. By actual stats, Ringer had just about as dominant season as Zain did - maybe slightly less - plus is a 3x NC and 4x AA compared to a 1x NC and 2x AA. Really a no brainer here according to criteria established. Zain will get his if he continues on.
Well deserved, it was between him and Gwiz and well, we all know what happened there.
Good for him....but the disappointment continues....well, the disappointment of riches for those of us spoiled by Cael.
I felt Zain was the most dominant wrestler on the planet this year. I also thought that all 5 of Penn State's national finalists could have and probably should have won titles. Good for Nico and Zain to pull it off, but Nolf can beat Martinez, Nickal erred his way into a loss against someone he's beaten 3 times, and MM is at least the beast that J'Den Cox is, but gave up the late takedown.
So, like I said, 4 national titles in 5 years, but it could have been so much sweeter...!
I felt Zain was the most dominant wrestler on the planet this year. I also thought that all 5 of Penn State's national finalists could have and probably should have won titles. Good for Nico and Zain to pull it off, but Nolf can beat Martinez, Nickal erred his way into a loss against someone he's beaten 3 times, and MM is at least the beast that J'Den Cox is, but gave up the late takedown.
So, like I said, 4 national titles in 5 years, but it could have been so much sweeter...!
wait the two + hours people spent while riding in the car meant nothing. NOTHING..... 
Im actually surprised bushwood doesn't have a 10 paragraph opinion of how corrupt the system is.
Seriously I 13th the sentiment above, ringer was more than deserving of the award! Zain will just have to be the peoples champ I guess Well everyone but PBS that is.
Im actually surprised bushwood doesn't have a 10 paragraph opinion of how corrupt the system is.Seriously I 13th the sentiment above, ringer was more than deserving of the award! Zain will just have to be the peoples champ I guess
Well everyone but PBS that is.
I think you just jinxed us, with regard to Bushwood.wait the two + hours people spent while riding in the car meant nothing. NOTHING.....
Seriously I 13th the sentiment above, ringer was more than deserving of the award! Zain will just have to be the peoples champ I guess
I agree that Dieringer is a deserving winner and have no beef with him winning the vote.
But there's no "maybe" about him being less dominant than Zain this season.
Zain had more pins and more tech falls. Zain had more wins over All Americans and more bonus point wins over All Americans.
And the "established criteria" really aren't all that established.
In their announcement of the first Hodge winner in 1995, WIN Magazine said, “Hodge was one of the greatest pinners of all time and the W.I.N. staff wants pinning to play a large role in the selection process.”
In 2010, the WIN announcement said, "the award is a single-season award. Past credentials are used in tiebreaker situations where pin numbers, for example, are nearly equal."
And on this year's ballot, WIN reiterated that it's a single-season award and called overall record, number of pins, dominance on the mat and quality of competition the "primary criteria." Zain wins on three of the four primary criteria, and they tie on overall record. The category Zain wins by the widest margin is the one they single out for special attention.
"Number of pins is an extremely important criteria," they wrote on the ballot. "Part of the reason the award was created was to elevate the importance of the pin, and to motivate top collegians to go for the fall. "
Some years the guy with more pins wins it over the guy with better career credentials (one-time champ Jayson Ness over two-time champ and four-time finalist Jake Varner; one-time champ David Taylor over three-time champ Kyle Dake).
Other years, the guy with career credentials gets it over the more dominant guy (Jordan Burroughs over Jordan Oliver, Eric Larkin over Steve Mocco).
Again, I have no complaints about Dieringer winning the award, but this was far from a "no brainer."
Ringer was deserving of the award. The 3 other finalists also had strong cases, and IMHO, Zain's was the strongest. It appears the voters felt the same, as it was a Ringer - Zain competition in the fan vote, and a Ringer - Zain competition amongst those that have a ballot in the Hodge.
If you focused on this season, then I felt Zain had a stronger case for winning the award (with Cholley providing more stats in his post). The career element certainly was a plus for Ringer. I still feel the award should be based on the current season, and not a career. There does seem to be a weakness in not having such a trophy, and the proposal of a Cael Sanderson trophy does have some merit. Then again, no matter what you do to address weaknesses in a system, it's rare that you fix every problem. If there was a Hodge and a CS award, then I suspect Ringer would have won the CS and Zain would have won the Hodge. However, what would have happened if Gwiz had not lost in OT. Then you would have had Ringer and Gwiz that were 3X Champs, and only 1 could have won the Career (CS) trophy. If the other one would have won the Hodge, then Zain would still have been shortchanged, IMHO.
FWIW, I wasn't that happy with the OW award at NCAA. Zain had 3 pins, 1 TF, and a MD in the final. Snyder had 1 pin, 1 TF, 1 MD, and 2 decisions. Only thing in Snyder's advantage was that he defeated a 2X returning Champ.
If you focused on this season, then I felt Zain had a stronger case for winning the award (with Cholley providing more stats in his post). The career element certainly was a plus for Ringer. I still feel the award should be based on the current season, and not a career. There does seem to be a weakness in not having such a trophy, and the proposal of a Cael Sanderson trophy does have some merit. Then again, no matter what you do to address weaknesses in a system, it's rare that you fix every problem. If there was a Hodge and a CS award, then I suspect Ringer would have won the CS and Zain would have won the Hodge. However, what would have happened if Gwiz had not lost in OT. Then you would have had Ringer and Gwiz that were 3X Champs, and only 1 could have won the Career (CS) trophy. If the other one would have won the Hodge, then Zain would still have been shortchanged, IMHO.
FWIW, I wasn't that happy with the OW award at NCAA. Zain had 3 pins, 1 TF, and a MD in the final. Snyder had 1 pin, 1 TF, 1 MD, and 2 decisions. Only thing in Snyder's advantage was that he defeated a 2X returning Champ.
Snyder's real advantage was his match being hyped by ESPN and the wrestling media at large.
I wonder if he would've been OW if that vote were held today instead of in the immediate aftermath of the tournament.
But, whatever, OW is nice but not as important as getting the gold in the first place.
I wonder if he would've been OW if that vote were held today instead of in the immediate aftermath of the tournament.
But, whatever, OW is nice but not as important as getting the gold in the first place.
I had nothing against ZR. A lot of fun to watch this year. I just had an inkling on how these things tend to go.wait the two + hours people spent while riding in the car meant nothing. NOTHING.....
Seriously I 13th the sentiment above, ringer was more than deserving of the award! Zain will just have to be the peoples champ I guess
On HR Gilman was offered up as a hopeful candidate for next year's award. Despite what he might do next season to his competition on the mat he would suffer the same fate ZR had in the race this year if Cox, Martinez and ZR don't all come up short of a NC. Is what it is.
Hodge aside, ZR was the most dominant wrestler that weekend and would have gotten my vote for OW.
FWIW, this vote wasn't close and even more or a landslide if you disregard the novelty of the fan vote. I can't believe someone actually admitted to sitting in a car for 2hrs to vote. Most of those voting in that poll wouldn't spend that much time trying to vote for their local elected government. #fandom
PBS... By "close" I was referring to the season each wrestler had this year. Not that close. Really a small landslide in Zain's favor.
Yes. It's suppose to be season !!!! Oh well....He will win the next 2 or maybe Nolf or Bo wins one....
I agree with Ringer winning. No problem with that at all.
Seems as though there are enough criteria to fit in anyone you like as the winner. That has worked in our favor before and probably will again.
I could argue for any of the 4 undefeated wrestlers. They are all worthy as well as Cox. This was a great wrestling season!
This is mind blowing:
"Dieringer became the 16th all-time Oklahoma State wrestler to win three national championships"
"Dieringer became the 16th all-time Oklahoma State wrestler to win three national championships"
That's not right...
4X NCAA Champions
Logan Stieber (Ohio State) 2012-15
Kyle Dake (Cornell) 2010-13
Cael Sanderson (Iowa State) 1999-2002
Pat Smith (Oklahoma State) 1990-1992, 1994
3x NCAA Champions
Alex Dieringer (Oklahoma State) 2014-16
Ed Ruth (Penn State) 2012-14
Jake Rosholt (Oklahoma State) 2003, 2005-2006
Greg Jones (West Virginia) 2002, 2004-2005
Stephen Abas (Fresno State) 1999, 2001-2002
Eric Guerrero (Oklahoma State) 1997-1999
Joe Williams (Iowa) 1996-1998
Lincoln McIlravy (Iowa) 1993-1994, 1997
TJ Jaworsky (North Carolina) 1993-1995
Tom Brands (Iowa) 1990-1992
Carlton Haselrig (Pittsburgh-Johnstown) 1987-1989
Ricky Bonomo (Bloomsburg) 1985-1987
Barry Davis (Iowa) 1982-1983, 1985
Jim Zalesky (Iowa) 1982-1984
Nate Carr (Iowa State) 1981-1983
Mark Schultz (Oklahoma) 1981-1983
Ed Banach (Iowa) 1980-1981, 1983
Mark Churella (Michigan) 1977-1979
Lee Kemp (Wisconsin) 1976-1978
Jimmy Jackson (Oklahoma State) 1976-1978
Greg Johnson (Michigan State) 1970-1972
Mike Caruso (Lehigh) 1965-1967
Yojiro Uetake (Oklahoma State) 1964-1966
Gray Simons (Lock Haven) 1960-1962
Larry Hayes (Iowa State) 1959-1961
Not saying that's not right, but that looks like the list from Earls site and it only goes back to 59. I can't find a list that covers the other 43 years.
The Oklahoma State website lists 10 OSU (or Oklahoma A&M) three-timers who aren't on that list:
Earl McCready, Jack Van Bebber, Conrad Caldwell, Rex Peery, Ross Flood, Joe McDaniel, Stanley Henson,Buddy Arndt, Richard Hutton, and Myron Roderick.
They won their titles between the late 1920s and the mid-1950s.
Earl McCready, Jack Van Bebber, Conrad Caldwell, Rex Peery, Ross Flood, Joe McDaniel, Stanley Henson,Buddy Arndt, Richard Hutton, and Myron Roderick.
They won their titles between the late 1920s and the mid-1950s.
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In case you're interested, April:
http://www.okstate.com/sports/2015/6/26/WREST_0626150703.aspx?path=wrestling
Thank you, I was looking, but couldn't find it. Not sure if it was because I was on my phone or not.
Correct, racer, it's from Earl's site. Not sure I understand your "43 years" comment. The NCAA (for wrestling) goes back to 1928, or 31 years before 1959.
I wasn't sure of the year that wrestling started with the ncaa, I was just trying to plug OSUs 100 years of wrestling!!
I read somewhere that wrestling started in 2009? No???
Nah...ncaa wrestling started in 1976 when moses...I mean gable came down from the mountain top.
