RIP Colin Powell
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When I hear his name I think of useless, endless war.
Great guy... but was caught in a pickle 20 years ago and certainly impacted his stature.
In his defense, everyone thought Hussein had WMD. Everyone. I remember when this was such a big issue, and researched any quotes at the time.
The most "non-WMD quote" was from Hans Blix who said, and I quote, "It is not a slam dunk that Hussein has WMD".
Every other quote was more "he has WMD" than that one.
I believe everyone thought that because Hussein ACTED like he had something to hide, that, in fact, he had something to hide.
As it turns out......all wrong.
Ned, we have already determined that VE against death is only maybe 80% or so.
So, this is going to happen.
Exactly correct. Read the director of the CIA's book, George Tenet. When asked if they had WMD at the decision desk, he said it was a "Slam Dunk". He was appointed by the previous administration, BTw.
"In his defense, everyone thought Hussein had WMD. Everyone."
I didn't. I respect Colin Powell but he put his reputation on the line to lie for his boss and that is part of his legacy.
that isn't true according to the guy in charge of the intel: George Tenet. GT ran the CIA and was the person responsible for the evidence. He is the one who assured everyone that Iraq's possession of WMD was a "slam dunk". He readily admitted it in his book. why don't people know this? Because it didn't serve a political agenda to blame it on the CIA.
All you have to do is post a comment by someone BEFORE the invasion, and then you will be correct.
But it is not convincing for people to say, "Well, someone who wouldn't go on the record is now going on the record with hindsight, saying they knew it all along"
He was immunocompromised by multiple myelomas
General Powell was thrown under the bus. CIA strolled him onto the UN floor with bad information.
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there is a lot to unpack here and it isn't all that simple.
- Hussien had WMD before the invasion
- Hussien used WMD against Iran before the invasion
- Hussein said he had WMD
- Hussein would not allow inspectors in, which was part of the truce and commitment he made previously
- The USA deployed tens of thousands of troops and repositioned the Army, Marines, AF and Navy in preparation for the invasion
- Days before the invasion, he said he didn't have WMD which put us in a bind. you cannot deeply tens of thousands of people, bring them back, or leave them there for any sustainable time. So was Hussien just buying time by lying or did he really NOT have WMD?
- In the final go, no-go meeting, CIA Director George Tenent (not a part of the admin) told the Admin that having WMD was a slam dunk.
- Stop watching CNN, Fox, MSNBC and reading the NYT/WaPo....they are NOT news, they are entertainment.
- Do your own research.
Either I can't post clearly, or you can't read clearly.there is a lot to unpack here and it isn't all that simple.
- Hussien had WMD before the invasion
- Hussien used WMD against Iran before the invasion
- Hussein said he had WMD
- Hussein would not allow inspectors in, which was part of the truce and commitment he made previously
- The USA deployed tens of thousands of troops and repositioned the Army, Marines, AF and Navy in preparation for the invasion
- Days before the invasion, he said he didn't have WMD which put us in a bind. you cannot deeply tens of thousands of people, bring them back, or leave them there for any sustainable time. So was Hussien just buying time by lying or did he really NOT have WMD?
- In the final go, no-go meeting, CIA Director George Tenent (not a part of the admin) told the Admin that having WMD was a slam dunk.
- Stop watching CNN, Fox, MSNBC and reading the NYT/WaPo....they are NOT news, they are entertainment.
- Do your own research.
I am saying that it was completely reasonable to believe there was WMD, and I think you're saying the same.
Even more than that, I'm citing the EXACT reasons you are for why it was reasonable to believe.
Ahhh, so you're saying that there WERE meaningful amounts of WMD and that they were moved to Syria.
Well, I'm skeptical of that, but ....... I don't know.
Same people start threads on this board looking for it to turn this way.....the rules just don't apply to them.....odd they all have something in common. Gee didn't see it going the way it did.
Well, I posted it here on this board but I don't think I can access posts back that far to find them and am not interested enough to research it. TJ and I are as responsible as anyone for starting the test board arguing about it. It doesn't matter. What's done is done.
Sad day. A great person that served his country like few others. The country and the world are far better thanks to his efforts. One of the greatest of the Vietnam generation, and of history.
I wrote in his name for President in 1996. Shame he didn’t run for the Republican nomination as many key figures pressured him to run and it was his if he ran. Hard to imagine how different things would have been had he run and won in ‘96.
RIP General, you certainly earned it.
I wrote in his name for President in 1996. Shame he didn’t run for the Republican nomination as many key figures pressured him to run and it was his if he ran. Hard to imagine how different things would have been had he run and won in ‘96.
RIP General, you certainly earned it.
The two people who turned this to politics were:
All posts before that were "Good man, Godspeed" variety.
The OP knew where to post this, but the rules don't apply to him. He's above it all....just ask him, he tell you. I'm not surprised it took a turn....most who are on this site who have half a brain could see it coming too.
Well, I wouldn't be so dismissive of your insight if that's the case. Now I'd have to see the argument to see if you were just "anti-war" and any reasoning would do, or if you had some gem of reasoning that everyone else missed.
In any event....
Well, if a huge figure like Colin Powell is not to be posted on this board, there's not much that's going to be left.
Plus, is it even bad politically?
The WMD thing is a historical fact, and an interesting one.
I don't get my underwear twisted in knots that in the end, I was wrong about WMD.
Is that political? I mean, it was taught to us in the Army. Nothing but respect and appreciation for Powell and his service and his many contributions to military strategy, which includes the Powell Doctrine. I guess you never served. Ah well.
Maybe it is not. Really, I don't think the post is a problem at all.
Including yours.
RIP threads are posted here every time anyone of any fame or notoriety passes away. It is standard procedure. And General Powell is a huge persona in history.
It is unfortunate that it would turn political but considering his tenure on many issues it was inevitable.
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sorry, didn't mean to post that specificly toward you...it was general in nature.
RIP Colin Powell. I always considered you to be a good human being.
Oops, don’t know how that happen.......meant to type General.....must hit C and auto correct did it’s thing.
My thoughts exactly. I think he had both common sense and character, and he had earned my respect. 'Nuff said.
Same. Generous man who served his country well (including in Vietnam). I haven't tuned into any coverage of his death but my guess is there will be some events in DC to honor him; will try to go if I can.
Did you ever meet him?
Coverage is including that his parents were poor immigrants from Jamaica and he grew up in the South Bronx. A true American story to come from poor immigrants to the highest offices in both the military and in government.
Wife met him while interning at State; she said he was a kind person who commanded the room.
I also heard the following from a friend who is in the FS - not sure how true it is but seems likely (or maybe more FS lore); paraphrasing - While acting as Secretary of State, in his meeting with new foreign service officers and high ranking diplomats he would have a small chat and then ask them to point out 'their country' on a globe. They would point to wherever they were being stationed or whichever desk they were assigned to (China, India, etc.). He would then correct them by saying, 'No - this is your country (pointing to the United States) - remember that.'
He didn’t lie. He gave his endorsement based on intel he was given. And as other have said, everyone was saying that SoDamn Insane had WMDs, and was not cooperating with UN inspectors as if he was hiding them.
DP was also a glass ceiling crasher for black Americans in high cabinet roles. I believe he was the first chairman of the joint chiefs of staff as well as the first to be SecState.
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