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Roar’s Annual Big Ten Seeding Review: 2025

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Welcome to my annual review of the Big Ten regular season’s dual results, and my venture into turning those results into pre-seeds for the upcoming Big Ten Wrestling Championships. It is a challenge even when taking a deep dive as I do, given that the most bouts a wrestler can get is eight out of a possible 13 opponents. Add illness and injury, maybe some game-playing, and very few of the starters that wrestle a full slate get eight other starters. Still, much of what I will write has some basis in fact, and when it doesn’t, I’ll make something up!

To give a bit of history, I remember starting this exercise on or about the year 2009 for On the Mats, the old Scout board. I lost my job that year and needed something to occupy my time. While I may have skipped a year or two along the way, it has generally been a yearly offering for my fellow fans. And when I retired in early 2020, these musings were done by spending longer hours than before. That doesn’t mean they are closer to the pre-seeds released by the Big Ten, it only means I am doing something I love a little bit longer.

On February 23, the final Big Ten conference dual meet, Purdue vs Nebraska, will take place. Immediately after, I will post the first two of the ten weight classes, then at least two per day for the days that follow. I got a jump on the “fun” this year and data collection is nearly done. If you remember my past reviews, I use exclusively conference duals for my pre-seeds, but do venture into tournaments looking for tie-breakers. That happened only a couple times this year. The write-ups go to seeds 10 or 11, unlike the past few years when I seeded all the way to 14. The first time a wrestler is mentioned in a review, I’ll include his team in parentheses, and after that refer to the wrestler by only his last name. There will be a closing post, after all of the weight classes have been released, to discuss the team race (Big Ten Wrestling Championships).

Remember, a wrestler's conference record doesn't alone determine their seed. One must journey one or two levels below that. A great record, albeit against mostly the bottom half or so of my pre-seeds may be far less impressive than a marginal record against all the top guys. In fact, I honestly don't look closely at the record at all, focusing instead on things like HTH results, etc.

As always, feel free to disagree. We all learn from others when they come at something from a different angle. Respectful discussion is appreciated, even embraced. With as much data as I crunch, mistakes are always possible, so feel free to point out errors and I’ll correct them quickly.

Well, I believe that does it for my remarks. Please enjoy!! 125 and 133 (at least) shall be posted on Sunday, February 23.
 
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Welcome to my annual review of the Big Ten regular season’s dual results, and my venture into turning those results into pre-seeds for the upcoming Big Ten Wrestling Championships. It is a challenge even when taking a deep dive as I do, given that the most bouts a wrestler can get is eight out of a possible 13 opponents. Add illness and injury, maybe some game-playing, and very few of the starters that wrestle a full slate get eight other starters. Still, much of what I will write has some basis in fact, and when it doesn’t, I’ll make something up!

To give a bit of history, I remember starting this exercise on or about the year 2009 for On the Mats, the old Scout board. I lost my job that year and needed something to occupy my time. While I may have skipped a year or two along the way, it has generally been a yearly offering for my fellow fans. And when I retired in early 2020, these musings were done by spending longer hours than before. That doesn’t mean they are closer to the pre-seeds released by the Big Ten, it only means I am doing something I love a little bit longer.

On February 23, the final Big Ten conference dual meet, Purdue vs Nebraska, will take place. Immediately after, I will post the first two of the ten weight classes, then at least two per day for the days that follow. I got a jump on the “fun” this year and data collection is nearly done. If you remember my past reviews, I use exclusively conference duals for my pre-seeds, but do venture into tournaments looking for tie-breakers. That happened only a couple times this year. The write-ups go to seeds 10 or 11, unlike the past few years when I seeded all the way to 14. The first time a wrestler is mentioned in a review, I’ll include his team in parentheses, and after that refer to the wrestler by only his last name. There will be a closing post, after all of the weight classes have been released, to discuss the team race (Big Ten Wrestling Championships).

Remember, a wrestler's conference record doesn't alone determine their seed. One must journey one or two levels below that. A great record, albeit against mostly the bottom half or so of my pre-seeds may be far less impressive than a marginal record against all the top guys. In fact, I honestly don't look closely at the record at all, focusing instead on things like HTH results, etc.

As always, feel free to disagree. We all learn from others when they come at something from a different angle. Respectful discussion is appreciated, even embraced. With as much data as I crunch, mistakes are always possible, so feel free to point out errors and I’ll correct them quickly.

Well, I believe that does it for my remarks. Please enjoy!! 125 and 133 (at least) shall be posted on Sunday, February 23.
Can’t miss issue! Pretty accurate, too.
 
Truly an event to look forward to as the year winds down.
With all the craziness in eligibility I wonder if any of the 2009 seeds are going to show up this year?
Honestly, the amount of knowledge and memories shared on this board makes it a “Can’t Miss” place for a fan.
 
I have looked at numerous sources but I just cannot figure out definitively what is the exact Big Ten Tournament seeding criteria in priority order. Does anyone no with absolute certainty what that criteria is?
 
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The first of ten weight classes I submit to you is 149. I waited until today (Sunday, February 23) to start sending my reviews given that a lone Big Ten Conference dual is being wrestled today, Nebraska at Purdue. It is the only match scheduled in conference among Big Ten schools this weekend in one of the oddities from the conference's scheduling model. Two bouts in particular pique my interest, with more impact on my seeds than the other eight bouts, though anything can happen on a wrestling mat. They are Matt Ramos (PUR) vs Caleb Smith (NEB) at 125 and Joey Blaze (PUR) vs Antrell Taylor (NEB) at 157. It is my hope that both bouts happen.

I AM posting one weight class that on paper is the least impacted by today’s match-ups, and that is 149 pounds. Ridge Lovett (NEB) vs Isaac Ruble (PUR) is a huge Cornhusker lean in terms of being favored. So here goes, hope you enjoy. Oh, and once the 149 bout is over, later tonight, I will change the wrestler’s records noted below.

149 Pounds
#1 Ridge Lovett (NEB, 6-1)
#2 Shayne Van Ness (PSU, 7-1)
#3 Kyle Parco (IA, 7-1)
#4 Dylan D'Emilio (tOSU, 6-2)
#5 Andrew Clark (RUT, 5-2)
#6 Sam Cartella (NU, 6-2)
#7 Kannon Webster (ILL, 4-4)
#8 Kal Miller (MD, 4-3)
#9 Dylan Gilcher (MICH, 3-3)
#10 Drew Roberts (MINN, 2-6)
The rest: Clayton Jones (MSU, 2-6), Isaac Ruble (PUR, 2-5), Royce Nilo (WIS, 0-5), Joey Butler (IND, 0-4)

This weight class has three guys at the top that have separated themselves from the pack, at least a little bit, as #4 Dylan D’Emilio (tOSU) has also had a fine season and I don’t want to give the impression he isn’t close to the top three. Each of my top three seeds has one loss, and as a trio blew the transitive property out of the water. If you think A>B and B>C, then surely A>C is accurate in sports – you would be wrong! Ridge Lovett (NEB) beat Shayne Van Ness (PSU), Van Ness beat Kyle Parco (NEB), and Parco beat Lovett. All three were in the home gym of the winner, but there was a difference. Lovett’s win (over Van Ness) and Van Ness’ win (over Parco) were both major decisions. To be honest this is a bit surprising, but happened none-the-less. Without a bonus point win against Lovett (i.e. he had the “least” impressive win from among these three), I am making Parco my #3 seed. It follows then that #1 Lovett gets the top spot over #2 Van Ness with the HTH win over the Lion. I hope to see a rematch at Big Ten’s! Van Ness and Parco beat Dylan D’Emilio (tOSU) and Kannon Webster (ILL), two of my next four seeds, while aside from the Van Ness victory, Lovett has my #9 seed as his best win. Both Parco and Van Ness have the better resumes, but I placed more value on the HTH wins and the fact that Lovett wrestled a full slate and beat everyone across from him on the mat.

#4 D’Emilio fits in nicely next. The Buckeye has losses to two guys in front of him (Parco and Van Ness) and best wins against Kannon Webster (ILL) and Andrew Clark (RUT). #5 Clark and #6 Sam Cartella (NU) are next and are very close. Clark lost to Webster while Cartella beat Webster, but there are other results that matter. Cartella has a slightly better record too, but it was a close call so I went outside the conference duals for the tiebreaker. Clark beat Cartella HTH at Midlands. I only look outside the conference for tiebreaking results, and a HTH win is significant, so here it paid dividends to dig deeper. Clark gets the higher seed. #7 Webster went 4-4 in conference, with the win against Clark holding the most importance, but he lost HTH to Cartella, so I moved Webster after the Wildcat. I am going next with #8 Kal Miller (MD). He has a HTH win against #9 Dylan Gilcher (MICH), who owns a HTH win against #10 Drew Roberts (MINN). The seeds worked out rather well, though they are not close to the order of the Big Ten wrestlers in the Intermat rankings. We’ll see how much conference results matter when the Big Ten pre-seeds are released!
 
The first of ten weight classes I submit to you is 149. I waited until today (Sunday, February 23) to start sending my reviews given that a lone Big Ten Conference dual is being wrestled today, Nebraska at Purdue. It is the only match scheduled in conference among Big Ten schools this weekend in one of the oddities from the conference's scheduling model. Two bouts in particular pique my interest, with more impact on my seeds than the other eight bouts, though anything can happen on a wrestling mat. They are Matt Ramos (PUR) vs Caleb Smith (NEB) at 125 and Joey Blaze (PUR) vs Antrell Taylor (NEB) at 157. It is my hope that both bouts happen.

I AM posting one weight class that on paper is the least impacted by today’s match-ups, and that is 149 pounds. Ridge Lovett (NEB) vs Isaac Ruble (PUR) is a huge Cornhusker lean in terms of being favored. So here goes, hope you enjoy. Oh, and once the 149 bout is over, later tonight, I will change the wrestler’s records noted below.

149 Pounds
#1 Ridge Lovett (NEB, 6-1)
#2 Shayne Van Ness (PSU, 7-1)
#3 Kyle Parco (IA, 7-1)
#4 Dylan D'Emilio (tOSU, 6-2)
#5 Andrew Clark (RUT, 5-2)
#6 Sam Cartella (NU, 6-2)
#7 Kannon Webster (ILL, 4-4)
#8 Kal Miller (MD, 4-3)
#9 Dylan Gilcher (MICH, 3-3)
#10 Drew Roberts (MINN, 2-6)
The rest: Clayton Jones (MSU, 2-6), Isaac Ruble (PUR, 2-5), Royce Nilo (WIS, 0-5), Joey Butler (IND, 0-4)

This weight class has three guys at the top that have separated themselves from the pack, at least a little bit, as #4 Dylan D’Emilio (tOSU) has also had a fine season and I don’t want to give the impression he isn’t close to the top three. Each of my top three seeds has one loss, and as a trio blew the transitive property out of the water. If you think A>B and B>C, then surely A>C is accurate in sports – you would be wrong! Ridge Lovett (NEB) beat Shayne Van Ness (PSU), Van Ness beat Kyle Parco (NEB), and Parco beat Lovett. All three were in the home gym of the winner, but there was a difference. Lovett’s win (over Van Ness) and Van Ness’ win (over Parco) were both major decisions. To be honest this is a bit surprising, but happened none-the-less. Without a bonus point win against Lovett (i.e. he had the “least” impressive win from among these three), I am making Parco my #3 seed. It follows then that #1 Lovett gets the top spot over #2 Van Ness with the HTH win over the Lion. I hope to see a rematch at Big Ten’s! Van Ness and Parco beat Dylan D’Emilio (tOSU) and Kannon Webster (ILL), two of my next four seeds, while aside from the Van Ness victory, Lovett has my #9 seed as his best win. Both Parco and Van Ness have the better resumes, but I placed more value on the HTH wins and the fact that Lovett wrestled a full slate and beat everyone across from him on the mat.

#4 D’Emilio fits in nicely next. The Buckeye has losses to two guys in front of him (Parco and Van Ness) and best wins against Kannon Webster (ILL) and Andrew Clark (RUT). #5 Clark and #6 Sam Cartella (NU) are next and are very close. Clark lost to Webster while Cartella beat Webster, but there are other results that matter. Cartella has a slightly better record too, but it was a close call so I went outside the conference duals for the tiebreaker. Clark beat Cartella HTH at Midlands. I only look outside the conference for tiebreaking results, and a HTH win is significant, so here it paid dividends to dig deeper. Clark gets the higher seed. #7 Webster went 4-4 in conference, with the win against Clark holding the most importance, but he lost HTH to Cartella, so I moved Webster after the Wildcat. I am going next with #8 Kal Miller (MD). He has a HTH win against #9 Dylan Gilcher (MICH), who owns a HTH win against #10 Drew Roberts (MINN). The seeds worked out rather well, though they are not close to the order of the Big Ten wrestlers in the Intermat rankings. We’ll see how much conference results matter when the Big Ten pre-seeds are released!
Thank you for all your work. I really love it. You are doing a great service. By chance, could you tell me what is the actual written criteria for seeding at the big tens. I have searched everywhere online and cannot find any definitive information. The best I get is, "the coaches pick them."
 
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Thank you for all your work. I really love it. You are doing a great service. By chance, could you tell me what is the actual written criteria for seeding at the big tens. I have searched everywhere online and cannot find any definitive information. The best I get is, "the coaches pick them."
Coaches ask Roar.😉
 
Thank you for all your work. I really love it. You are doing a great service. By chance, could you tell me what is the actual written criteria for seeding at the big tens. I have searched everywhere online and cannot find any definitive information. The best I get is, "the coaches pick them."

Coaches ask Roar.😉
Haha, I wish they would!!

In answer to the question from CantThink, it's as simple as Dice put it above, that the seeds are decided on a vote from the Big Ten coaches. Not very transparent though, as we won't see the voting. There really is no "criteria", so coaches (I doubt the voting is always done by each the head coach themselves) could simply look at the national rankings and pull out the B1G guys in their ranking order, or do it some other way. Doubt anyone is putting in much time, given how much work there is to do this time of year preparing for the postseason.
 
Haha, I wish they would!!

In answer to the question from CantThink, it's as simple as Dice put it above, that the seeds are decided on a vote from the Big Ten coaches. Not very transparent though, as we won't see the voting. There really is no "criteria", so coaches (I doubt the voting is always done by each the head coach themselves) could simply look at the national rankings and pull out the B1G guys in their ranking order, or do it some other way. Doubt anyone is putting in much time, given how much work there is to do this time of year preparing for the postseason.
Thank you. Another question. It may be buried in another thread and I can't find it. What is the best guess for the big ten allocations for qualifiers for the NCAA tournament for each weight class. Thank you.
 
Below is my 125 pound review. At least two more weight classes coming later today. Not sure which ones though. At 125 I was hoping to see Ramos (PUR) vs Smith (NEB) last night, but a Purdue back-up went, and Smith had an easy win. A Ramos win would not have changed anything for me, but a Smith win would have flipped Lilledahl (PSU) and Smith. All will make the Big Dance regardless of B1G performance, as their Bronze standing will be near the top of the at-large pool, but now the wrestlers are playing for higher NCAA seeds with every significant win. Enjoy!

125 Pounds
#1 Matt Ramos (PUR, 6-0)
#2 Dean Peterson (RUT, 6-1)
#3 Luke Lilledahl (PSU, 6-2)
#4 Caleb Smith (NEB, 6-1)
#5 Joey Cruz (IA, 6-2)
#6 Jacob Moran (IND, 5-3)
#7 Brendan McCrone (tOSU, 4-4)
#8 Cooper Flynn (MINN, 3-3)
#9 Nicolar Rivera (WIS, 5-3)
#10 Dedrick Navarro (NU, 4-3)
The rest: Caleb Weiand (MSU, 2-5), Caelen Riley (ILL, 1-7), Wilfred Tanefeu (MICH, 0-5), Tyler Garvin (MD, 0-7)

#1 seed Matt Ramos (PUR) sits alone atop the Big Ten Conference seeds at 125 pounds as the only undefeated wrestler, and he has that distinction overall too, with a 24-0 record. The sixth year senior has been dominant, with six bonus point wins in conference. I have three wrestlers next, all vying for seed consideration, that will ultimately land as my #2 through #4 seeds; Dean Peterson (RUT), Caleb Smith (NEB) and Luke Lilledahl (PSU). I spent a good bit of time on these three seeds as these are the potential semifinal guys. Peterson has a last second loss to Nicolar Rivera (WIS) which hurts a bit, but a very good win against Lilledahl. Smith only has two losses, to Ramos and Lilledahl, with a best win over Joey Cruz (IA), though he did beat Brendan McCrone (tOSU) at Cliff Keen. Lilledahl has two losses, to Peterson and 4-4 McCrone, a loss which put a wrench in my seedings, though I won’t over-react, which I will explain later. I went with #2 Peterson, #3 Lilledahl and #4 Smith, based on HTH wins from among this group of three; Peterson has one (against Lilledahl), as does Lilledahl (against Smith), while Smith has none in this group. Now I can explain how I handled the Peterson loss to Rivera and the Lilledahl loss to McCrone. I chose, simply, to place more weight on the Lilledahl victory against Smith and Peterson’s win against Lilledahl and a few other related and supportive results. All pointed to a similar conclusion. McCrone’s body-of-work, which includes losses to Joey Cruz (IA) and Jacob Moran (IND), and Rivera’s body-of-work, which includes losses to Cruz and Cooper Flynn (MINN) must be considered too. Lilledahl beat Cruz. Lilledahl also beat Smith, who beat Cruz. Then there is that matter of McCrone losing to Smith at Cliff Keen, while Lilledahl, as previously mentioned, beat Smith at the dual. Advantage Lilledahl, and advantage Peterson. You can get twisted up if looking at a single result, which is the MO of many a fan. DIG DEEPER! Btw, now that I look at my seeding, I hope it holds true with the Big Ten pre-seeds and seeds. A Peterson vs Lilledahl rematch in the semis would be sweet.

#5 Cruz beat Rivera, McCrone, Cooper Flynn (MINN) and Dedrick Navarro (NU) – all decent wins – and lost to two higher seeds; Lilledahl and Smith HTH, so Cruz slots in immediately after Smith. I have #6 Moran next, with a lone solid win HTH against #7 McCrone, but no bad losses. McCrone has solid wins HTH against Cooper Flynn (MINN) and Lilledahl, with the Lilledahl win the most notable, but again the Cruz and Moran losses HTH prevented him from being seeded higher. This middle-of-the-pack group was a bit dicey to seed. Flynn (3-3), McCrone (4-4), Moran (5-3), Rivera (5-3), and Navarro (4-3) all looked similar, so I had to look for nuggets of differentiation. Soooo, to continue, it is #8 Flynn, with a best win HTH over #9 Rivera and losses to guys in front of him. Rivera won HTH vs #10 Navarro AND has the great win over Peterson, though all his other wins are to back-ups or guys seeded below him. This weight class actually wasn’t as hard to seed as I originally thought it would.
 
Not much of a write-up, length-wise, for 141 pounds. Pretty straight-forward weight class. 157 will be my most wordy.

141 Pounds
#1 Beau Bartlett (PSU, 8-0)
#2 Jesse Mendez (tOSU, 7-1)
#3 Brock Hardy (NEB, 6-1)
#4 Vance Vombaur (MINN, 6-2)
#5 Joey Olivieri (RUT, 4-2)
#6 Sergio Lemley (MICH, 4-4)
#7 Danny Pucino (ILL, 5-3)
#8 Henry Porter (IND, 4-2)
#9 Greyson Clark (PUR, 3-2)
#10 Ryder Block (IA, 0-2) or Cullen Schreiver (IA, 2-4)
The rest: Chris Cannon (NU, 2-5), Dario Lemus (MD, 2-6), Brock Bozien (WIS, 1-7), Jaden Crumpler (MSU, 0-7)

The 141 weight class was easy to seed, at least near the top. Beau Bartlett (PSU) is the only undefeated guy, standing alone at 8-0 in this his senior campaign. He has HTH wins against #2 Jesses Mendez (tOSU), #3 Brock Hardy (NEB), #5 Joey Olivieri, and #6 Sergio Lemley (MICH)…but I am getting ahead of myself by mentioning the seeds without justification or explanation. #2 Mendez has solid wins against #4 Vance Vombaur (MINN) and #5 Lemley. #3 Hardy has a conference record equal to Mendez at 7-1, and also has the lone loss to Bartlett, same as Mendez. The similar resume shows wins against Vombaur and Lemley too, but Hardy cannot overtake last year’s Big Ten champion AND national champion (which doesn’t really matter for this season in principle, but in practice, all else being equal, it does matter a little). Mendez vs Hardy in the Big Ten semifinals will be worth the price of admission, though Mendez was 2-0 against Hardy last season, with Hardy unable to get a single takedown. #4 Vombaur has put together a fabulous season, with only two close conference losses, to Mendez (6-5 TB-2) and Hardy (12-10) in an entertaining back-and-forth bout, AND HTH wins over Olivieri and Lemley. #5 Olivieri only has losses to guys in front of him, and a HTH win vs #6 Danny Pucino (ILL). I squeezed Pucino in front of #7 Lemley, but I have them very close and could see them being switched by the Big Ten. Pucino has the better record at 5-3, but nothing in the win column is even remotely impressive. Lemley’s win column is equally devoid of a signature win and his four losses are to my top four seeds. There is a gap between the top seven seeds and the bottom seven seeds. The best of the rest are #8 Henry Porter (IND) and #9 Greyson Clark (PUR), Porter beating Clark HTH to get the nod, though neither has a signature win. Rounding out my top ten is #10 Cullen Schreiver (IA) who appears to have taken the starting job from Ryder Block.

Editorial comment: The dual meet win for Bartlett over Mendez was an important win. Earning a Big Ten title is even more important for Bartlett, as NCAA seeding is on the line. Assuming Mendez vs Bartlett is the finals bout at Big Ten's, a win there will surely give Bartlett the #1 seed in Philly, opposite the bracket that I believe will contain Mendez and Andrew Alirez.
 
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Thank you. Another question. It may be buried in another thread and I can't find it. What is the best guess for the big ten allocations for qualifiers for the NCAA tournament for each weight class. Thank you.

Go to Page 2. Scroll halfway down. Look for "Projected Big 10 NCAA Pre-Allocated Spots".
^^ This. An excellent job by jmadden...AGAIN!! I did take the time to do the first three weight classes, as there have been several results since his post, but it changed little and was still dead on.
 
Another fairly easy-to-seed weight class is 197. Up and down the seeds, most were settled by HTH match-ups, albeit with several "upsets" during the season giving me half a second of pause. This weight class "should" closely match the Big Ten pre-seeds.

197 Pounds
#1 Stephen Buchanan (IA, 8-0)
#2 Josh Barr (PSU, 7-1)
#3 Jacob Cardenas (MICH, 7-1)
#4 Isaiah Salazar (MINN, 5-2)
#5 Zac Braunagel (ILL, 5-3)
#6 Evan Bates (NU, 4-4)
#7 John Poznanski (RUT, 4-3)
#8 Camden McDanel (NEB, 4-4)
#9 Gabe Sollars (IND, 3-5)
#10 Seth Shumate (tOSU, 1-6)
#11 Remy Cotton (MSU, 2-5)
The rest: Ben Vanadia (PUR, 3-5), Chase Mielnik (MD, 1-6), Niccolo Colucci (WIS, 0-4)

As the only unbeaten B1G wrestler at 197 pounds, sixth-year senior Stephen Buchanan (IA) is my top seed, as he wrestles for his third team in those six years. He owns a victory HTH against #2 Josh Barr (PSU), a redshirt freshman for the Lions and is undefeated in Big Ten action, also beating my #’s 4, 5, and 6 seeds. Similarly, Barr earned a hard-fought win against #3 Jacob Cardenas (MICH). HTH wins the day as they have identical records on the season. Cardenas has a better win, vs Isaiah Salazar (MINN), but HTH results rule the day. Barr, other than the Cardenas victory has a best win vs Zac Braunagel (ILL). #4 Isaiah Salazar (MINN) has also had a great season, beating all comers except a lone conference loss HTH to Cardenas. So far so good, one undefeated guy, and three following that settled things on the mat, so seeds #1 to #4 are clean. #5 Zac Braunagel has HTH wins vs #6 Evan Bates (NU) and #7 John Poznanski (RUT). Bates and Poznanski have similar resumes in their win columns, but Bates lost only to the top five seeds (4 losses), while Poznanski has a loss to Remy Cotton (MSU, 2-5). To add to the strength of that seed, Bates defeated Cotton in a dual. Easy next seed is #8 Camden McDanel (NEB), with a HTH win over #9 Gabe Sollars (IND). Sollars seed was easy too; HTH wins over both #10 Seth Shumate (tOSU) and #11 Cotton. I should mention here that Shumate has a very good win against my #5 seed (Braunagel) and Cotton likewise has a solid win against my #7 seed (Poznanski). Their losses, 6 for Shumate (he is 1-6 in conference) and 5 for Cotton, include losses to Poznanski and Sollars for Shumate, and McDanel, Sollars and Ingham for Cotton, sealing their seeds.

EDITORIAL COMMENT: After the fact, I noticed that PJ Casale is listed as the Rutgers starter. If Poznanski does not go at Big Ten's, remove him as my #7 seed and move everyone up that is seeded #8 or lower.
 
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Editorial comment: The dual meet win for Bartlett over Mendez was an important win. Earning a Big Ten title is even more important for Bartlett, as NCAA seeding is on the line. Assuming Mendez vs Bartlett is the finals bout at Big Ten's, a win there will surely give Bartlett the #1 seed in Philly, opposite the bracket that I believe will contain Mendez and Andrew Alirez.
Agreed.

A 1-loss B10 champ cannot beat out Alirez for the 1, according to NCAA seeding math.

But Alirez has a low RPI and few Quality Wins. He cannot be the 1 ahead of an unbeaten B10 champ.

Be undefeated, lock in the 1, and let those 2 face each other.
 
Not much of a write-up, length-wise, for 141 pounds. Pretty straight-forward weight class. 157 will be my most wordy.

141 Pounds
#1 Beau Bartlett (PSU, 8-0)
#2 Jesse Mendez (tOSU, 7-1)
#3 Brock Hardy (NEB, 6-1)
#4 Vance Vombaur (MINN, 6-2)
#5 Joey Olivieri (RUT, 4-2)
#6 Sergio Lemley (MICH, 4-4)
#7 Danny Pucino (ILL, 5-3)
#8 Henry Porter (IND, 4-2)
#9 Greyson Clark (PUR, 3-2)
#10 Ryder Block (IA, 0-2) or Cullen Schreiver (IA, 2-4)
The rest: Chris Cannon (NU, 2-5), Dario Lemus (MD, 2-6), Brock Bozien (WIS, 1-7), Jaden Crumpler (MSU, 0-7)

The 141 weight class was easy to seed, at least near the top. Beau Bartlett (PSU) is the only undefeated guy, standing alone at 8-0 in this his senior campaign. He has HTH wins against #2 Jesses Mendez (tOSU), #3 Brock Hardy (NEB), #5 Joey Olivieri, and #6 Sergio Lemley (MICH)…but I am getting ahead of myself by mentioning the seeds without justification or explanation. #2 Mendez has solid wins against #4 Vance Vombaur (MINN) and #5 Lemley. #3 Hardy has a conference record equal to Mendez at 7-1, and also has the lone loss to Bartlett, same as Mendez. The similar resume shows wins against Vombaur and Lemley too, but Hardy cannot overtake last year’s Big Ten champion AND national champion (which doesn’t really matter for this season in principle, but in practice, all else being equal, it does matter a little). Mendez vs Hardy in the Big Ten semifinals will be worth the price of admission, though Mendez was 2-0 against Hardy last season, with Hardy unable to get a single takedown. #4 Vombaur has put together a fabulous season, with only two close conference losses, to Mendez (6-5 TB-2) and Hardy (12-10) in an entertaining back-and-forth bout, AND HTH wins over Olivieri and Lemley. #5 Olivieri only has losses to guys in front of him, and a HTH win vs #6 Danny Pucino (ILL). I squeezed Pucino in front of #7 Lemley, but I have them very close and could see them being switched by the Big Ten. Pucino has the better record at 5-3, but nothing in the win column is even remotely impressive. Lemley’s win column is equally devoid of a signature win and his four losses are to my top four seeds. There is a gap between the top seven seeds and the bottom seven seeds. The best of the rest are #8 Henry Porter (IND) and #9 Greyson Clark (PUR), Porter beating Clark HTH to get the nod, though neither has a signature win. Rounding out my top ten is #10 Cullen Schreiver (IA) who appears to have taken the starting job from Ryder Block.

Editorial comment: The dual meet win for Bartlett over Mendez was an important win. Earning a Big Ten title is even more important for Bartlett, as NCAA seeding is on the line. Assuming Mendez vs Bartlett is the finals bout at Big Ten's, a win there will surely give Bartlett the #1 seed in Philly, opposite the bracket that I believe will contain Mendez and Andrew Alirez.
Thank you Roar.
 
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Haha, I wish they would!!

In answer to the question from CantThink, it's as simple as Dice put it above, that the seeds are decided on a vote from the Big Ten coaches. Not very transparent though, as we won't see the voting. There really is no "criteria", so coaches (I doubt the voting is always done by each the head coach themselves) could simply look at the national rankings and pull out the B1G guys in their ranking order, or do it some other way. Doubt anyone is putting in much time, given how much work there is to do this time of year preparing for the postseason.
Can you venture a guess why there is no transparency by the Big 10 on how the seeds are done. There is certainly a seeding committee and they sit down and evaluate everything. But what do they evaluate? Is more weight put on head to head competition or overall conference record or is it simply a vote by the coaches. And why all the secrecy? What is the possible value to the Big 10 and to wrestling in general by not being transparent?
 
Can you venture a guess why there is no transparency by the Big 10 on how the seeds are done. There is certainly a seeding committee and they sit down and evaluate everything. But what do they evaluate? Is more weight put on head to head competition or overall conference record or is it simply a vote by the coaches. And why all the secrecy? What is the possible value to the Big 10 and to wrestling in general by not being transparent?
Hopefully it's not based on certain coaches saying their guy has more skills.
 
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Can you venture a guess why there is no transparency by the Big 10 on how the seeds are done. There is certainly a seeding committee and they sit down and evaluate everything. But what do they evaluate? Is more weight put on head to head competition or overall conference record or is it simply a vote by the coaches. And why all the secrecy? What is the possible value to the Big 10 and to wrestling in general by not being transparent?
The coaches VOTE they get a piece of paper and seed each weight. Then the big 10 head office tallies the votes and those are the seeds.
 
Can you venture a guess why there is no transparency by the Big 10 on how the seeds are done. There is certainly a seeding committee and they sit down and evaluate everything. But what do they evaluate? Is more weight put on head to head competition or overall conference record or is it simply a vote by the coaches. And why all the secrecy? What is the possible value to the Big 10 and to wrestling in general by not being transparent?
It is not transparent because they would all look nuts if it became known that after tabulating the coaches' votes the Big10 committee has a seance to make sure Bo and Woody are OK with the seeds.
 
Frankly, just me, but I'm ok with NOT seeing the coach's votes. Just want to hear someone in the Big Ten explain the process. Bunch of knowledgeable folks around, something official would give it all credibility.

I can, and do sometimes, piece together every aspect of the NCAA process. Much more transparency.
 
Halfway home, after posting 174 below. So far, 149, 125, 141, 197, and now 174, in that order have released. I think 133 shall be next!

174 Pounds
#1 Levi Haines (PSU, 8-0)
#2 Carson Kharchla (tOSU, 7-1)
#3 Lenny Pinto (NEB, 7-1)
#4 Patrick Kennedy (IA, 4-3)
#5Clayton Whiting (MINN, 5-3)
#6 Jackson Turley (RUT, 3-4)
#7 Dan Braunagel (ILL, 4-4)
#8 Brody Baumann (PUR, 3-5)
#9 Lucas Condon (WIS, 4-4)
#10 John Branson (MD, 2-6)
#11 Joseph Walker (MICH, 2-5)
The rest: Caesar Garza (MSU, 3-5), Roman Rogotzke (IND, 0-2), Joseph Martin (NU, 0-0) or Aiden Vandenbush (NU, 0-8)

Up two weight classes from last season, my #1 seed for 2024 at 157 pounds is also my #1 seed this season at 174 pounds. #1 Levi Haines (PSU) does have a blemish this season, to fellow national champ Keeghan O’Toole of Missouri in Sudden Victory, but has not lost in conference duals. In conference, Haines has easily outdistanced the field by beating my #2, #3, #4, #6 and #7 seeds. On Haines’ heels (not really) are two guys who only have the one loss already mentioned; #2 Carson Kharchla (tOSU) and #3 Lenny Pinto (NEB). Little and I mean VERY little separates Kharchla and Pinto this season. Both beat #4 Patrick Kennedy (IA) and #5 Clayton Whiting (MINN) HTH in conference and their records are an identical 7-1. Keep digging I said, and discovered that Kharchla also beat my #6, #7, and #8 wrestler while Pinto wrestled a schedule that was half a notch easier. That is not much to go on, as both guys beat everyone in front of them except for Haines, but it is all I have. Besides, assuming the seeds hold, it will be Kharchla vs Pinto in the semifinals, so if they meet it can be settled on the mat, with the winner reaching the finals. #4 Kennedy beat the guys he was supposed to, and his only losses are to the three guys in front of him. Here it gets tougher to seed, with a gap in talent after the #4 seed. #5 Clayton Whiting (MINN) has good wins against middle-of-the-pack guys Jackson Turley (RUT) and Brody Baumann (PUR), and only losses to three of the four guys in front of him. I’m going #6 Turley next, but do not feel great about it. The sixth year senior has a HTH win over #7 Dan Braunagel (ILL), which carried the day, but he also has an inexplicable loss to John Branson (MD), a true freshman with a 2-6 conference record. #8 Baumann is the best of the rest in a weight class that is the Big Ten’s least talented top-to-bottom in my opinion. He has HTH wins over both #9 Lucas Condon (WIS) and #10 Branson. Indiana’s Derek Gilcher would have slotted before Baumann, beating him HTH, but it appears Roman Rogotzke is now the Hoosiers’ starter. #9 Condon beat #10 Branson handily HTH during the season while Branson took care of #11 Joseph Walker (MICH) HTH.
 
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Halfway home, after posting 174 below. So far, 149, 125, 141, 197, and now 174, in that order have released. I think 133 shall be next!

174 Pounds
#1 Levi Haines (PSU, 8-0)
#2 Carson Kharchla (tOSU, 7-1)
#3 Lenny Pinto (NEB, 7-1)
#4 Patrick Kennedy (IA, 4-3)
#5 Clayton Whiting (MINN, 5-3)
#6 Jackson Turley (RUT, 3-4)
#7 Dan Braunagel (ILL, 4-4)
#8 Brody Baumann (PUR, 3-5)
#9 John Branson (MD, 2-6)
#10 Joseph Walker (MICH, 2-5)
The rest: Caesar Garza (MSU, 3-5), Roman Rogotzke (IND, 0-2), Joseph Martin (NU, 0-0) or Aiden Vandenbush (NU, 0-8)

Up two weight classes from last season, my #1 seed for 2024 at 157 pounds is also my #1 seed this season at 174 pounds. #1 Levi Haines (PSU) does have a blemish this season, to fellow national champ Keeghan O’Toole of Missouri in Sudden Victory, but has not lost in conference duals. In conference, Haines has easily outdistanced the field by beating my #2, #3, #4, #6 and #7 seeds. On Haines’ heels (not really) are two guys who only have the one loss already mentioned; #2 Carson Kharchla (tOSU) and #3 Lenny Pinto (NEB). Little, and I mean VERY little separates Kharchla and Pinto this season. Both beat #4 Patrick Kennedy (IA) and #5 Clayton Whiting (MINN) HTH in conference and their records are an identical 7-1. Keep digging I said, and discovered that Kharchla also beat my #6, #7, and #8 wrestler while Pinto wrestled a schedule that was half a notch easier. That is not much to go on, as both guys beat everyone in front of them except for Haines, but it is all I have. Besides, assuming the seeds hold, it will be Kharchla vs Pinto in the semifinals, and as it should be, so if they meet it can be settles on the mat, with the winner reaching the finals. #4 Kennedy beat the guys he was supposed to, and his only losses are to the three guys in front of him. Here it gets tougher to seed, with a gap in talent after the #4 seed. #5 Clayton Whiting (MINN) has good wins against middle-of-the-pack guys Jackson Turley (RUT) and Brody Baumann (PUR), and only losses to three of the four guys in front of him. I’m going #6 Turley next, but do not feel great about it. The sixth year senior has a HTH win over #7 Dan Braunagel (ILL), which carried the day, but he also has an inexplicable loss to John Branson (MD), a true freshman with a 2-6 conference record. #8 Baumann is the best of the rest in a weight class that is the Big Ten’s least talented top-to-bottom in my opinion. Indiana’s Derek Gilcher would have slotted before Baumann, beating him HTH, but it appears Roman Rogotzke is now the Hoosiers’ starter. #9 goes to Branson while it is #10 Joseph Walker (MICH) finishing the top 10.
With Nelson Brands toeing the line this past Sunday there is a lot of speculation that he will be Iowa's 174 rep at the B1G tournament. With only one conference match, a win over Northwestern's 0-8 Vandenbush, would you slot Brands at #13?
 
133 Pounds
#1 Drake Ayala (IA, 5-0)
#2 Lucas Byrd (ILL, 7-1)
#3 Braxton Brown (MD, 7-1)
#4 Jacob Van Dee (NEB, 6-2)
#5 Braeden Davis (PSU, 3-2)
#6 Dylan Shawver (RUT, 5-3)
#7 Zan Fugitt (WIS, 5-3)
#8 Angelo Rini (IND, 5-2)
#9 Nic Bouzakis (tOSU, 2-4)
#10 Tyler Wells (MINN, 1-4) and Massey Odiotti (NU, 3-4)
The rest: Dustin Norris (PUR, 2-5), Nolan Wertanan (MICH, 0-7), Tristan Lujan (MSU, 0-1)

#1 Drake Ayala (IA) is the easy pick for top seed with HTH wins over #2 Lucas Byrd (ILL) and my #4 seed Jacob Van Dee during an undefeated, albeit slightly abbreviated season – he has wrestled five times in conference. Still, it is a credible resume for the Hawkeye, up one weight class from last season. #2 Byrd was just as easy to seed, with solid wins over Braeden Davis (PSU), Braxton Brown (MD) and Nic Bouzakis (tOSU) among his seven conference wins. #3 Brown just as easily slots next with only the HTH loss to Byrd on his resume and a best win over Dylan Shawver (RUT). It gets messy after that. Braeden Davis (PSU) has five conference bouts under his belt, is 3-2 with a best win vs Shawver (though some might say 2-4 Bouzakis) and losses to Van Dee and Byrd. Van Dee has a solid record (6-2), AND the win over Davis, but he also has a major decision loss to Zan Fugitt (WIS). Shawver has ok wins over middle-of-the-pack guys, and losses only to Byrd, Brown and Davis. Angelo Rini (IND) has a win against Bouzakis as his best win, and losses to Van Dee and Shawver, making his 5-2 record look only a bit north of average at best. Lastly in this group of five is Fugitt, with a good win against Van Dee, and three losses, one of which was to Shawver. #4 Van Dee gets my nod, as he has the best win from this group, HTH over Davis. Next it is #5 Davis, with good HTH wins over #6 Shawver and Bouzakis (despite Bouzakis’ poor record). #7 Fugitt lost HTH vs Shawver, so is seeded below the Scarlett Knight, but does have the Van Dee win, which is easily considered the best win between him and #8 Rini. Rini’s signature win is HTH against Bouzakis, with only wins against back-ups or guys seeded below him otherwise, and the Bouzakis win frankly does not look as good as it could, the Buckeye having a poor conference showing. #9 Bouzakis is surely not where folks would expect him to land, but a 2-4 record, with losses to my #2, #5, #6 and #8 seeds seals his fate. His two wins are against bottom seeds, so those were no help at all. Here are a few current facts; Intermat has Bouzakis ranked 12, with five Big Ten wrestlers in front of him. The Coaches Ranking has him 10 with five Big Ten guys in front. I just cannot justify anything higher than a #9 seed for the Big Ten Wrestling Championships based on his Big Ten body-of-work. Rounding out the top ten is a toss-up between Tyler wells (MINN) and Massey Odiotti (NU).

As a note regarding Penn State’s Davis, he entered the 2024 Big Ten tournament as the #6 seed at 125 pounds and won it all. I am excited to see how he performs this year at 133!
 
With Nelson Brands toeing the line this past Sunday there is a lot of speculation that he will be Iowa's 174 rep at the B1G tournament. With only one conference match, a win over Northwestern's 0-8 Vandenbush, would you slot Brands at #13?

With Nelson Brands in and Patrick Kennedy out, would that mean one less auto-qualification spot for the B1G at 174?

Could this change theoretically provide a small net points gain for Iowa vs other competition, by weakening the bracket, assuming Nelson earns one?

If so, could Nelson Brands at B1G be more strategery by the Iowa coaching staff, if every point counts?

What does the maths say?
 
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