Screen shot is somewhere, but Heil was pinned three times.
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somewhere Mike Evans while still not impressed is saying been there done that
Heil got very lucky. If Jimmy gets his head all the way on the other side of the leg he had a hold of, it's at least 2.
I want to know if Heil was an unranked ,losing record wrestler, how quick the ref would of slapped the mat in the last 15 seconds of 21guns post. He was flat.
It was a pin. Three freaking times.
Jimmy won that match. A homer official took it away, but Jimmy won that match.
Jimmy won that match. A homer official took it away, but Jimmy won that match.
But in fairness to the ref, he had to 1st get his head out of his ass then get his head into the match.
For christ sake, the FIRST time he was pinned, that official wasn't even on the mat LOOKING at it.
FYI - I traded a few text messages today with a friend at Cornell, and they saw a very similar situation. Dean had Martin flat and the ref wouldn't call it. Dean told my friend that he was looking right at Martin's shoulders and he was flat but the ref never called it. I think there is a reluctance to call a pin against the top level guys unless it's completely obvious. Not sure why.
Then the reluctance should cost them their jobs. I'm sorry but there needs to be some accountability and the NCAA needs to be putting their best personnel on the mats. The officials will continue to do a poor job and everything will continue status quo and that just isn't right. I can understand missed calls and mistakes but blatantly refusing to follow a rule book because of where a match is held or who is wrestling is s travesty and needs to be dealt with accordingly. You make one pack up their bags and I can probably guarantee others will take their jobs more seriously and respect the rules of the sport. Of course for all I know maybe these guys aren't doing it for a paycheck. Maybe they don't get paid enough to do their jobs well or even care to keep their jobs. I don't know....
There is certainly a reluctance to do that in Stillwater Oklahoma against the #1 seed at his own mat.
St Louis, will be a different story.
He was flat in the 2nd period too - and for quite a while. On the Pokes' replay of the match, their announcers called both that he looked like he was getting pinned -- they said that he was very fortunate to still be wrestling after both events and repeatedly said that he "avoided a bullet" tonight (maybe they should have said that he was fortunate he was wrestling at home, because Jimmy likely would have gotten the fall call at nationals on the 2nd period or 3rd period stack).
Dean Heil was so blatantly stacked... I don't care how many times I heard, Mike Hagerty, was one of the best referee's in college wrestling, he didn't do his job. Dean Heil pinned himself and Mike Hagerty swallowed his whistle. In the Maryland match, Triston Law pinned himself and it was called immediately. Obviously, Mike Hagerty can't or wasn't able to be as objective as that referee. I don't care how unpopular Mike Hagerty would have been at Gallagher Iba Arena... he needed to do his job and make that pin call by the rule books. Dean Heil's shoulder blades where down for a second and the fall needed to be called. Mike Hagerty, no matter how good he was considered before today, didn't do his officiating job and it cost Jimmie Gulibon a win today.
I remember when I worked as a score keeper at the 2011 National Championships. The night before, Dr. Pat McCormick, the head of officials for the NCAA instructed the workers who would officiate and score the National Tournament, to be perfect because the athletes on those mats in the next three days had worked their entire lives to get to that point. Those words resonated in my head to be perfect in all matches and keep my head in all matches because there could be wild flurries of scoring at any moment, match after match.
Mike Hagerty cost a NCAA wrestler a match today and wasn't ready for that moment or wouldn't make the call at home against a wrestler who was #1 in the country. Very much like the ref who swallowed his whistle at Nationals when Iowa's Mike Evans stacked Chris Perry. Those referees should be disciplined for their unwillingness to call a defensive pin, no matter who pinned themselves. What happened today was blatant. I don't consider, Mike Hagerty, one of the best referees in the country. That was based on previous laurels, not by the outcome of his referree'ing today.
Make the call when it happens. Don't be chicken sh-- to make the call against a home kid, a #1 kid in the country at home. That was a home call... nothing more, much less... and Mike Hagerty didn't want to get booed out of the building. Simple as that. He let that call go. He didn't do his job. He embarrassed himself to a National viewing audience. A much more embarrassing thing, then making the right call and being booed for making the right call.
I remember when I worked as a score keeper at the 2011 National Championships. The night before, Dr. Pat McCormick, the head of officials for the NCAA instructed the workers who would officiate and score the National Tournament, to be perfect because the athletes on those mats in the next three days had worked their entire lives to get to that point. Those words resonated in my head to be perfect in all matches and keep my head in all matches because there could be wild flurries of scoring at any moment, match after match.
Mike Hagerty cost a NCAA wrestler a match today and wasn't ready for that moment or wouldn't make the call at home against a wrestler who was #1 in the country. Very much like the ref who swallowed his whistle at Nationals when Iowa's Mike Evans stacked Chris Perry. Those referees should be disciplined for their unwillingness to call a defensive pin, no matter who pinned themselves. What happened today was blatant. I don't consider, Mike Hagerty, one of the best referees in the country. That was based on previous laurels, not by the outcome of his referree'ing today.
Make the call when it happens. Don't be chicken sh-- to make the call against a home kid, a #1 kid in the country at home. That was a home call... nothing more, much less... and Mike Hagerty didn't want to get booed out of the building. Simple as that. He let that call go. He didn't do his job. He embarrassed himself to a National viewing audience. A much more embarrassing thing, then making the right call and being booed for making the right call.
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Cael and the staff can be seen in the background in the third period, absolutely livid, all of them slamming their hands on the mat.
Take a deep breath, and tell me right now, what would Tom and Terry Brands have done if that had happened to them? Wait, it DID happen to them, and they weren't happy either.
Take a deep breath, and tell me right now, what would Tom and Terry Brands have done if that had happened to them? Wait, it DID happen to them, and they weren't happy either.
You are 100% correct in regards to your description that Heil was pinning himself - on both occassions Jimmy had made a clean head-inside single shot and Heil went to the crotch-lock / crotch-lift both times - Jimmy stacked him and as Heil lifted on the crotch-lock to prevent the TD, he flattened himself out multiple times. Haggerty should have called the pin, not only because it was one, but also because Heil was preventing the TD with the crotch-lock and lift, but he also was pinning himself in preventing the points!!! Just disgraceful that an official would reward that bull$hit when Guilbon clearly out-wrestled him technique-wise.....this is a good example of why most world-class wrestlers like Free better than Folk because it is a "purer" form of wrestling without bull$hit antics like this being rewarded - no way you hang onto that crotch-lift in Free when the other guy has superior position and is about to pin you under the actual rules of wrestling.....you let go, surrender the TD and attempt to avoid the exposure points and pin.
Every wrestler not #1 knows that. Mike Hagerty should have been aware or looking for the defensive pin and he was in position. He just didn't make the correct call in that situation. He swallowed his whistle at home. It was blatant... sad and poor officiating. As where the stall calls against Zain. Another Pokie wrestler threw in legs during the match and was that called stallling? Hmmm.. NO.
That is the first, and ONLY time, I have ever seen TWO stall calls on a leg ride from a standing position with the arm locked. Ever. Never saw it called before, and won't see it called again.
Heggerty needs disciplined for his poor officiating today. He should not see the mat on Saturday night in St Louis, reputation be damned. That was out and out homer officiating. I've seen countless matches at Carver Hawkeye and I have NEVER seen blatant homer officiating like I saw today, anywhere.
Heggerty needs disciplined for his poor officiating today. He should not see the mat on Saturday night in St Louis, reputation be damned. That was out and out homer officiating. I've seen countless matches at Carver Hawkeye and I have NEVER seen blatant homer officiating like I saw today, anywhere.
Colica kept letting him put the boot in and then would stand.....it's typically called a stalemate quickly as it is a dangerous position. Haggerty called it correctly multiple times in Zain's match and just made it up as he went along a couple times. I think it was Crutchmer who put legs in on Wreck Hall and he stood.....Haggerty called it correct there as well (quick stalemate potentially dangerous). Cael was pissed at the calls as they were clearly outside the rulebook - it isn't stalling, I don't care how many times Colica stands up after Zain puts a boot in.....standing up doesn't make it stalling.
This is absolutely correct. I have NEVER seen it called stalling, let alone TWICE.
Even the BTN Article flatly states that Jimmy had Heil pinned three separate times, but for Hagerty's inexplicable refusal to call it! HERE's THE HOTLINK TO BTN ARTICLE. Here is summary of 141 match:
141: Senior Jimmy Gulibon (Latrobe, Pa.), ranked No. 10 at 141, met unbeaten and top-ranked Dean Heil. The duo battled evenly for the first minute of the bout. Heil notched the bout’s first takedown with a solid high double at the 1:44 mark to open up a 2-0 lead. Gulibon escaped to a 2-1 score with 1:02 on the clock and action resumed in the center circle. Trailing 2-1, Gulibon chose down to start the second period. He steadily worked his way into Heil’s leg, trying to reverse him, but Heil was able to up and force a reset with 1:07 on the clock. Gulibon escaped to a 2-2 tie but Heil had 1:37 in riding time. Gulibon turned a high single into a scramble that appeared to have Heil pinned twice. But no call was made and Gulibon was also not given a takedown. Tied 2-2, Heil chose down to start the third period. Gulibon maintained control long enough to kill the riding time point and nearly pinned Heil on a scramble again. A potentially dangerous call forced a reset and Gulibon cut him loose to a 3-2 Heil lead. Gulibon’s pace forced the Cowboy backwards as he looked for a go-ahead takedown. Once again, he appeared to have Heil pinned but was not given the fall and Heil was given a 3-2 victory. - See more at: http://btn.com/2017/02/19/penn-stat...wca-championship-series/#sthash.QIGezybH.dpuf
If a homer official sees a kid pinned and won't call it, you cannot challenge that.
Are you serious? You can challenge a TD, escape, etc but not a fall? WOW (Novice here)
There was no reason to challenge anything. Heil was pinned, three times. If you have two working eyes, you could see that.
The Cowboy play by play announcer said it himself.
The Cowboy play by play announcer said it himself.
He'd probably say Jimmy lost maybe due to some unfortunate circumstances but feels he right there and can pull out the W next time.
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