SIAP: Noah Spence details frequent ecstasy use at O$U

[demlion]

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2015/08/former_ohio_state_de_noah_spen.html

"Spence, now getting ready for the season at Eastern Kentucky, said he used the drug Ecstasy every Friday and Saturday during the offseason and on Saturday nights after games during football season."

Wow. He must have been drinking an awful lot to get it slipped in his drink so many times.

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2015/08/former_ohio_state_de_noah_spen.html

"Spence, now getting ready for the season at Eastern Kentucky, said he used the drug Ecstasy every Friday and Saturday during the offseason and on Saturday nights after games during football season."

Wow. He must have been drinking an awful lot to get it slipped in his drink so many times.

His dad is still in denial I bet

 

[ChiTownLion]

Sounds like Noah's got a long road ahead. Hope he's able to find his way.

Since he transferred: http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post...noah-spence-starting-over-at-eastern-kentucky

He hasn't been perfect. In late May, Spence was arrested in downtown Richmond on charges of alcohol intoxication in a public place and second-degree disorderly conduct. Spence said he had been drinking wine at a friend's house and threw the bottle toward a trash can on the street on the way home. He missed the can, and the bottle shattered on the sidewalk. The police report states that Spence admitted to throwing the bottle and "advised that it was a stupid thing to do."

"That was another learning experience," Spence said. "I can't be doing dumb stuff. I can't even be around it."

Since that incident, Spence said he has stopped drinking as well. He said he has had to cut friends out of his life and become less social, spending many weekends now with roommate Dy'Shawn Mobley, a running back who transferred to EKU from Kentucky.

 

[masterbaker65]

I hope he can turn around his life. He needs to enter into an addiction program. Hope he gets the help he needs

 

[demlion]

remind me about his history. Wasn't he committed to PSU until the sanctions hit, then switched to OSU?

 

[Mudge1026]

Spence says he got caught up in the college lifestyle? That tells you all you need to know about Ohio State. Exactly what kind of curriculum was he in? A schlorship athlete lives such a regimented life. Between practice and studying an athlete must budget their time. How on earth could this kid even pass classes being high all the time? He got in trouble again as recently as May so what kind of lesson did the kid learn? Dont think the NFL will draft him very high, to much baggage.

 

[KC-KS-Lion]

Spence was strongly considering Penn State before the Sandusky situation broke. Although being close to LJ Sr, he chose Ohio State.

 

[Ranger Dan]

That tells you all you need to know about Ohio State.

I'd be careful before throwing that stone... PSU has had our share of substance abuse cases. Not as much as some, but even our coaches kids have had issues.

 

[jrd23psu]

Spence says he got caught up in the college lifestyle? That tells you all you need to know about Ohio State. Exactly what kind of curriculum was he in? A schlorship athlete lives such a regimented life. Between practice and studying an athlete must budget their time. How on earth could this kid even pass classes being high all the time? He got in trouble again as recently as May so what kind of lesson did the kid learn? Dont think the NFL will draft him very high, to much baggage.

Come on, man. That's not an indictment of OSU. This is on Noah Spence and only Noah Spence.

 

[indoorgolf]

Unfortunate that every school has had its share of drug and alcohol issues including PennState. Don't forget the young man from Latrobe who died in a stairwell from an alcohol related fall and cheerleader who fell out of apartment building and ended up paralyzed. Excess drinking and drugs are a big problem in every class of society today. You are very nieve if you think PSU is above having these problems on campus too.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

I hope he can turn around his life. He needs to enter into an addiction program. Hope he gets the help he needs

Mostly he needs to stop hanging around women who like X. And, he needs to stay away from places/events where X is widely used.

That would go a long way right there.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2015/08/former_ohio_state_de_noah_spen.html

"Spence, now getting ready for the season at Eastern Kentucky, said he used the drug Ecstasy every Friday and Saturday during the offseason and on Saturday nights after games during football season."

Wow. He must have been drinking an awful lot to get it slipped in his drink so many times.

Who is John O'Neil and Witvoet's supplier? They are on some good stuff given some of the wacky calls they make.

 

[Ceasar]

Come on, man. That's not an indictment of OSU. This is on Noah Spence and only Noah Spence.

A friend of mine was on the conference call when Spence was appealing his suspension from the Orange Bowl. Meyer and others in the OSU athletic dept were on that call and were 100% advocating for Spence. So giving them the benefit of the doubt they were badly douped by the kid. Or not giving them the benefit of the doubt it was all about beating Clemson. Let's face it, his story was not believable. I would not compare his situation to anything at PSU. Yes, PSU has had many kids who had substance abuse issues. I am unaware of PSU coaches ever trying to circumvent a suspension to keep said kid on the field.
One other tidbit, FWIW, LJ, Sr. is at OSU through the efforts and initiative of Mr. Spence and that contact began while LJ was still at PSU (but after the 2011 season had ended.) I would not be shocked if that constituted some sort of NCAA violation, just as Meyer was sanctioned for an NCAA violation during his recruitment of Spence. There is lots of history there.

 

[thecoolestfish]

Mostly he needs to stop hanging around women who like X. And, he needs to stay away from places/events where X is widely used.

That would go a long way right there.

So, in other words, he needs to lock himself in the campus library and stay there. Hahaha....

 

[PennStateNate]

Unfortunate that every school has had its share of drug and alcohol issues including PennState. Don't forget the young man from Latrobe who died in a stairwell from an alcohol related fall and cheerleader who fell out of apartment building and ended up paralyzed. Excess drinking and drugs are a big problem in every class of society today. You are very nieve if you think PSU is above having these problems on campus too.

Yeah, really tired of those in denial that this stuff doesn't happen at our school. We have had a history of issues also.

 

[demlion]

Yeah, really tired of those in denial that this stuff doesn't happen at our school. We have had a history of issues also.

What's our history of having our head FB coach on a conference call appealing a player's suspension for testing positive for drugs, pushing a story put up by the kid and his dad that is utterly false?

 

[ClarkstonMark]

What's our history of having our head FB coach on a conference call appealing a player's suspension for testing positive for drugs, pushing a story put up by the kid and his dad that is utterly false?

Well lets start with innocent until proven guilty.
If you are ok with that, consider Joe campaigning for Casey (alleged assault)and Phillips (alleged rape).
I don't know when Spence was convicted, but what Meyer did for Spence is not that different than what Joe did for his players

 

[royboy]

What's our history of having our head FB coach on a conference call appealing a player's suspension for testing positive for drugs, pushing a story put up by the kid and his dad that is utterly false?

Great point. In this general area of tOSU's culture, has anyone else watched some of this "Scarlet and Gray" inside football currently on BTN? Not to be too idealistic about the nature of big-time college sports, but the Buckeyes appear to be waaaay far away from a concept of student-athletes.

 

[Ceasar]

Well lets start with innocent until proven guilty.
If you are ok with that, consider Joe campaigning for Casey (alleged assault)and Phillips (alleged rape).
I don't know when Spence was convicted, but what Meyer did for Spence is not that different than what Joe did for his players

I understand your point but all Joe did with Casey was say "I believe him and will wait to see the evidence before administering any punishment". It turned out there was no evidence. Meyer on the other hand inserted himself into the situation as an advocate. As I said earlier, maybe he was douped by a story that in hindsight is silly. If so, hopefully he learned a lesson.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

So, in other words, he needs to lock himself in the campus library and stay there. Hahaha....

Well, there is more to the world that only the club and library cultures.

The vast majority of Americans never go clubbing.

 

[demlion]

Well lets start with innocent until proven guilty.
If you are ok with that, consider Joe campaigning for Casey (alleged assault)and Phillips (alleged rape).
I don't know when Spence was convicted, but what Meyer did for Spence is not that different than what Joe did for his players

Well Spence has never been convicted for X use so far as I know, but the standard is whether or not you pass the drug test, not innocent or guilty in a court of law. Joe's players were not told that they could not play in a bowl game, and then Joe appealed it. Joe's players also turned out not to be lying through their teeth like Spence has now admitted he was.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

 

[thecoolestfish]

Well, there is more to the world that only the club and library cultures.

The vast majority of Americans never go clubbing.

I'm not sure how old you are, but the 18-25 crowd is partaking in x (or what they think is x) plenty outside of the club scene. It's no longer just clubs and raves.

 

[ClarkstonMark]

Well Spence has never been convicted for X use so far as I know, but the standard is whether or not you pass the drug test, not innocent or guilty in a court of law. Joe's players were not told that they could not pay in a bowl game, and then Joe appealed it. Joe's players also turned out not to be lying through their teeth like Spence has now admitted he was.

Joe (as well as most D1coaches I bet)played kids that tested for weed as well you can draw the line wherever you want I guess

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

I'm not sure how old you are, but the 18-25 crowd is partaking in x (or what they think is x) plenty outside of the club scene. It's no longer just clubs and raves.

Still a long way to go before you get to number respresenting the vast majority of Americans.

People can do whatever you want.

But, let's face it, this kid is a jock. He did what jocks do. He hung around X-hoes and did as much clubbing as he could get into. And, that's how and why he became a chronic X user. My advice still stands.

You walk away from clubbing and you walk away from the X world. When you are in or close to the X world, it is easy to deceive yourself that everybody does it. One of the oldest stories in the book.

 

[demlion]

Joe (as well as most D1coaches I bet)played kids that tested for weed as well you can draw the line wherever you want I guess

When he tested positive, Spence was OUT of the BOWL GAME by the BOWL GAME'S or the NCAA's rules. He appealed and URBY helped him with his appeal which he now admits is a bunch of lies. Are you saying Joe hid positive drug tests which made players ineligible? Because I had not heard that before.

 

[klemman]

Great point. In this general area of tOSU's culture, has anyone else watched some of this "Scarlet and Gray" inside football currently on BTN? Not to be too idealistic about the nature of big-time college sports, but the Buckeyes appear to be waaaay far away from a concept of student-athletes.

Out of curiosity, what is it from the BTN show, "Scarlet and Gray Days" that supports your opinion?

For the record it is filming training camp which is before school begins. Training camp where the focus is supposed to be football. There have been interviews with the producers and they said that they film 90 hours for 22 minutes of show. So where is this waaaayyy far away from a concept of student athletes being shown on the program?

 

[NitFan1974]

Ohio $tate = druggies. Joe Would never have stood for this nonsense.

 

[thecoolestfish]

Still a long way to go before you get to number respresenting the vast majority of Americans.

People can do whatever you want.

But, let's face it, this kid is a jock. He did what jocks do. He hung around X-hoes and did as much clubbing as he could get into. And, that's how and why he became a chronic X user. My advice still stands.

You walk away from clubbing and you walk away from the X world. When you are in or close to the X world, it is easy to deceive yourself that everybody does it. One of the oldest stories in the book.

Yes, it's fine advice. It's great advice. I was just pointing out that these days it might be a little more difficult than you think to avoid it at that age. Pretty much any bar -- not just "clubs" -- in a college town is going to have a ton of kids on it.

 

[Mudge1026]

I'd be careful before throwing that stone... PSU has had our share of substance abuse cases. Not as much as some, but even our coaches kids have had issues.

I want to clarify, I am referring to OSU football culture vs Penn State culture in that Spence was taking classes (what kind of curriculum?) and was he actually in class? Sure PSU players have taken drugs but not necessarily to get High? The Pot smoking by PSU kids was to help with pain from injuries, no? Since PSU kids are forced to go to class I find it hard to believe they could pass classes and do the work if they were always high? When I attended PSU in the 1980's I watched the football,players studying in the library all the time. They live highly regimented lives. I dont know OSU but I think their players could get away with alot more than PSU kids.

 

[royboy]

Out of curiosity, what is it from the BTN show, "Scarlet and Gray Days" that supports your opinion?

For the record it is filming training camp which is before school begins. Training camp where the focus is supposed to be football. There have been interviews with the producers and they said that they film 90 hours for 22 minutes of show. So where is this waaaayyy far away from a concept of student athletes being shown on the program?

Just didn't like what I saw of the OSU program. The assistant coaches were hyperactive clowns dancing around trying to please the master. The players seemed generally dumb.

 

[Jax07]

I want to clarify, I am referring to OSU football culture vs Penn State culture in that Spence was taking classes (what kind of curriculum?) and was he actually in class? Sure PSU players have taken drugs but not necessarily to get High? The Pot smoking by PSU kids was to help with pain from injuries, no? Since PSU kids are forced to go to class I find it hard to believe they could pass classes and do the work if they were always high? When I attended PSU in the 1980's I watched the football,players studying in the library all the time. They live highly regimented lives. I dont know OSU but I think their players could get away with alot more than PSU kids.

lol...please tell me you are not that naive

 

[Jax07]

Just didn't like what I saw of the OSU program. The assistant coaches were hyperactive clowns dancing around trying to please the master. The players seemed generally dumb.

PSU and OSU recruit the same players...you guys are really trying way too hard to continue the facade of righteousness.

 

[PSU_Nut]

Ohio $tate = druggies. Joe Would never have stood for this nonsense.

Seemed like he had no problem with bowman failing drug tests and not doing his community service. Some of Penn State top players where big time recreational drug users. Let stop pretending that Penn State players are a bunch of choir boys.

 

[dwiz]

For clarity's sake, NOBODY does Ecstasy any more, and that is the most ridiculous part of this story by far, besides that it was getting slipped into his drink.

 

[PSU_Nut]

I want to clarify, I am referring to OSU football culture vs Penn State culture in that Spence was taking classes (what kind of curriculum?) and was he actually in class? Sure PSU players have taken drugs but not necessarily to get High? The Pot smoking by PSU kids was to help with pain from injuries, no? Since PSU kids are forced to go to class I find it hard to believe they could pass classes and do the work if they were always high? When I attended PSU in the 1980's I watched the football,players studying in the library all the time. They live highly regimented lives. I dont know OSU but I think their players could get away with alot more than PSU kids.

What world do you live in? There are many drug users who are very productive in college and in the work place. Unfortunately drug abuse amount doctors is very high. The 1980's television scared straight stereo type stoner is not the reality of all users.

 

[Ranger Dan]

I want to clarify, I am referring to OSU football culture vs Penn State culture in that Spence was taking classes (what kind of curriculum?) and was he actually in class? Sure PSU players have taken drugs but not necessarily to get High? The Pot smoking by PSU kids was to help with pain from injuries, no? Since PSU kids are forced to go to class I find it hard to believe they could pass classes and do the work if they were always high? When I attended PSU in the 1980's I watched the football,players studying in the library all the time. They live highly regimented lives. I dont know OSU but I think their players could get away with alot more than PSU kids.

Take off the blue and white glasses... Penn State coaches and administration may care more about their conduct, but the players are susceptible to the same temptations and vices as any other college campus.

Oh, the not smoking pot to get high... yeah, OK. Did you get that from Bill "I didn't inhale" Clinton? So kids at other schools do drugs to get high, but Penn State kids are only doing drugs to cope with pain? Also, there are plenty of college kids that get wasted on alcohol or baked on pot all the time, but still manage to pass classes. Of course, I wouldn't recommend this.

 

[dwiz]

Take off the blue and white glasses... Penn State coaches and administration may care more about their conduct, but the players are susceptible to the same temptations and vices as any other college campus.

Oh, the not smoking pot to get high... yeah, OK. Did you get that from Bill "I didn't inhale" Clinton? So kids at other schools do drugs to get high, but Penn State kids are only doing drugs to cope with pain? Also, there are plenty of college kids that get wasted on alcohol or baked on pot all the time, but still manage to pass classes. Of course, I wouldn't recommend this.

Everyone passes because everyone takes Adderall. That is not an athlete thing though. That's your regular student thing. It's not a "cool" kid thing, or a "nerd" thing. It is absolutely everybody. It is so widespread that it is insane. If you have a kid in college, I would bet you money that they have taken it, no matter how times you swear your kid would never do drugs.

 

[Rollin Stone]

One other tidbit, FWIW, LJ, Sr. is at OSU through the efforts and initiative of Mr. Spence and that contact began while LJ was still at PSU (but after the 2011 season had ended.) I would not be shocked if that constituted some sort of NCAA violation, just as Meyer was sanctioned for an NCAA violation during his recruitment of Spence. There is lots of history there.

No it would not constitute an NCAA violation. Coaches are allowed to talk to other coaches. Their employment at any institution is governed by that institution. If it was in his contract that he couldn't speak to another than that is different. There is nothing in the NCAA rule book about a coach speaking to another coach. I will tell you this as well it happens all the time. Coaches are on the phone every week networking with other coaches regarding what jobs are opening up and what coach is on the hot seat. Jobs at the D-1 level rarely open up without the HC already having an idea whom they may hire. In the coaching profession, the adage is if you don't already know about an open job when it's announced then you are too late.

 

[thecoolestfish]

I want to clarify, I am referring to OSU football culture vs Penn State culture in that Spence was taking classes (what kind of curriculum?) and was he actually in class? Sure PSU players have taken drugs but not necessarily to get High? The Pot smoking by PSU kids was to help with pain from injuries, no? Since PSU kids are forced to go to class I find it hard to believe they could pass classes and do the work if they were always high? When I attended PSU in the 1980's I watched the football,players studying in the library all the time. They live highly regimented lives. I dont know OSU but I think their players could get away with alot more than PSU kids.

Because you sound like you just want to believe the best for our players/team, I really really really don't want to sound like a jerk here... But egads, you're sounding pretty clueless and naive with this post here.