To me Barkley and Carter just looked faster but somehow Singleton is making the same plays. To me LJ looked faster also but this kid jsut seems to cover ground just as fast but maybe looks smoother? Maybe it's just me but it looks easy to him.
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It looks effortless to him.
I had an event and missed the second half live. I ended up having several cups of coffee late so was kind of cranked up when I got home just before midnight. I watched the second half from 12 to 2:30am. My point was that I was able to concentrate and focus, for the first game this year.
The Auburn players, most of them pretty highly recruited, kept taking bad angles on Singleton. I think they underestimated his speed. It may have been the weak schedule they've had so far. But in any case, NS was able to get the edge because OLBs, S and CBs kept being missed due to bad angles.
The Auburn players, most of them pretty highly recruited, kept taking bad angles on Singleton. I think they underestimated his speed. It may have been the weak schedule they've had so far. But in any case, NS was able to get the edge because OLBs, S and CBs kept being missed due to bad angles.
Bad angles, of course, but I will say that he has a way of not looking that fast. However that style of running will cause a lot of guys to miss.
I looked up their best times in the 100m. It looks like singleton ran more track than Barkley, but Singleton has run a 10.89 100M as his best while Saquon ran an 11.28. I think Singleton looks every bit as fast as Barkley and Carter.
On average, defenders are faster now than they were vs Carter and LJ.
Also, Singleton is a true freshman. He'll be faster, stronger, and slightly bigger before he leaves us.
Also, Singleton is a true freshman. He'll be faster, stronger, and slightly bigger before he leaves us.
That could be true. However, I recall players being shocked at SB's acceleration. He wasn't often caught from behind, if ever. Regardless, his zero to 60 was unreal for a guy who weighted over 230.
Yep, you might be surprised at how fast some pickups accelerate and if you recall a drag race is only 1/4 mile. You blow out to a big lead, few are catching you.
The beauty it's in the deceptiveness of the speed. He is smoother Eric he goes from one gear to another without his body language giving up change ahead of time. That makes any sense to you but watching his run films in slow motion change in speed is perceptible, than in real time. Which to me is going to cause a lot of folks to look like they're taking bad angles. The best advice for Defenders might be to run straight back into the end zone.. LOL
Danielson said during telecast, "here comes Singleton, there goes Singleton", Classic.
They've held Singleton in Check.....there he goes not in check........
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It’s my understanding that Singleton ran in the mid 4.4’s last year, while Barkley ran in the 4.3’s while at Penn state. —Based on his acceleration, and the consistently poor angles that the very good Auburn athletes took , it appears he benefited from PSU’s stretching/strength/conditioning program . I believe he may be faster than 4.4’s at this time
KJ carter had a ridiculous burst to start his acceleration - he would just blow by the players along the line and second level. Was he faster once he was in open field running? I'm not sure, because he was usually by everyone of consequence so quickly that there wasn't really much of a foot race going on.
Singleton doesn't look exceptional fast but I think that's more a symptom of his running form/style than his actual speed. The results are there and he's running past guys so he's got to be quite fast, but it almost looks deceptive and that the defenders "should" be able to catch him.
Singleton doesn't look exceptional fast but I think that's more a symptom of his running form/style than his actual speed. The results are there and he's running past guys so he's got to be quite fast, but it almost looks deceptive and that the defenders "should" be able to catch him.
well, 4.4 ain't bad. Plus, when you are 220 lbs, 4.4 may look slower so you take a different angle only to end up chasing them in their jet stream. the real difference between 4.4 and 4.3 is very small.
1/10th of a second in the 40 is just less than a yard. 32 inches, actually. So over ten yards you are looking at 8 inches. IMHO, as long as you have decent straight line speed, acceleration is more important than speed. A RB rarely runs at top speed. You probably don't hit top speed until you run 20 yards or so. In most cases, the RB is not running strait but laterally, juking, cutting, hesitating, then accelerating. the difference between a 4.3 and 4.4 is probably more about making a 30 yard run a 50 yard run or more.
How do I come to terms with the fact that, despite how annoying Danielson was, both singleton long runs are instantly some of my favorite Penn state calls:
1. “well they’ve kept singleton in check….not in check”
2. “Here comes singleton….there goes singleton”
1. “well they’ve kept singleton in check….not in check”
2. “Here comes singleton….there goes singleton”
I caught that. Just a few minutes later they commented on how Auburn had not been able to force any turnovers. I thought that was surely the jinx.
Reminds me of the 86/87 Fiesta Bowl when they commented that Conlan had not yet been a factor. He picks off a pass and nearly takes it to the house the next play.
I think Saquon benefitted from the same strength and conditioning while at PSU. Singleton has a bit more of that to come.
But still not as good as Keith Jackson in the Rose Bowl for Carter
“goodbye. He’s gone”.
Singleton came in from a very good personal trainer and dynamic lifting. He will definitely thrive in our S&C, however, I think Singleton as a freshman is probably at the spot Saquon was as a sophomore due to his HS training.
There were a couple of times that Saquon was caught from behind during his freshman year., OSU for example - by a 1st round corner. After that season, no one was catching him. On one broadcast someone mentioned Singleton running a 4.39 in practice. There are not many players catching a guy running that fast and if that 10.89 100m time is accurate, his long speed is even better. Very few humans can run in the 10's for 100 meters and most of them aren't toting a football at 220 lbs. Most of them don't throw the shot either.
Yea, I think what you're referring to is the fact that he's not a long-strider -- his stride is more choppy. But there are both kinds of sprinters and both can be equally fast... longer-striders sometimes look like they're effortlessly gliding.
The other thing people aren't considering here is that 100 sprinter times don't directly convert - some guys maintain more of their speed in full football pads than others (i.e., so called "football speed"). In terms of football speed, Singleton is extremely fast - he is clearly the fastest player on the field.
#10 has as much SPD and ACC as any of them and probably can be as good as any RB that's played at PSU then again I didn't crown ya until you could ram it at the Georgia Dogfaces 20+ times in the Suuugah Boawl
The one thing no one here is considering when it comes to “not looking fast” is the …… wait for it… black shoes.
Black shoes make everyone look slower. Yet another part of JVP’s genius.
Black shoes make everyone look slower. Yet another part of JVP’s genius.
You better do some research on Barkley. He came equipped, from high school. If you recall, he had 189 yards as a freshman, at the Shoe. That doesn’t include a 45+ yard TD called back by a ticky tack call.
Barkley was a marvel. I'm strictly talking about S&C.
My Goodness, Saquon Barkley: Two Broken Penn State Records In One Day
Sophomore running back Saquon Barkley is a freak athlete; that much is certain, but the Coplay, Pa., native provided further proof Tuesday during a ridiculous max-out testing session.
onwardstate.com
Singleton was doing 370 power clean before arriving at Penn State.
Secret to Nick Singleton's success? How a unique drive leads Penn State's 'perfect storm'
Singleton, perhaps the nation's top running back, arrives at Penn State this weekend along with nine others in a sterling 2022 recruiting class.
www.ydr.com
I'm in no way putting down Barkley; I'm just saying for as insane as his S&C was, Singleton is slightly ahead at similar career points.
Big Singleton fan; my secretary’s son played with him at Mifflin and is one of his best friends, but he isn’t as fast as Barkley. Remember a play a couple of years ago before he injured his knee. Barkley was having a hard time getting any rushing yards behind the Giants putrid OL. They finally flared him out of the backfield on a swing pass. Despite the fact that there was a player player on each side of him who were slightly ahead of him with good angles as soon as he caught the ball he held up his index finger on the hand which was not carrying the ball as if to say “see ya” and bolted right past both of them. He also recorded the fastest time that year in the NFL while scoring a TD.
Big Singleton fan; my secretary’s son played with him at Mifflin and is one of his best friends, but he isn’t as fast as Barkley. Remember a play a couple of years ago before he injured his knee. Barkley was having a hard time getting any rushing yards behind the Giants putrid OL. They finally flared him out of the backfield on a swing pass. Despite the fact that there was a player player each side of him who were slightly ahead of him with good angles as soon as he caught the ball he held up his index finger on the hand which was not carrying the ball as if to say “see ya” and bolted right past both of them. He also recorded the fastest time that year in the NFL while scoring a TD.
Disagree. Carter did not become a superstar until his last season. Barkley was great right out of the gate, but I put Barkley and Singleton as equal at this point in their careers.
Carter missed a few games in the 93 season but was obviously a big time player. He did average 6.6 ypc. If you recall Pitts was the starter at first and all the backs got some reps until carter separated from the pack. we're also talking 30 years ago if we compare the freshmen seasons.
PSU got commits from the top back in NJ, Pitts, Pa. Archie, Ohio, Carter, and Va., Morris, and was still in the running from the top back in the country , Marquette Smith:
Marquette Smith Running Back 5-9, 190, Freshman Casselberry, FL (Lake Howell HS)-
One of the most celebrated high school players in state history ... tabbed the nation's most valuable offensive player by USA Today ... gave the Tribe a sweep of nation's top players in joining USA Today Defensive Player of the Year Derrick Brooks at FSU ... named the national player of the year by Gatorade ... first team All-America selection by Parade, Max Emfinger and Super Prep ... selected to the Orlando Sentinel's Dixie Dozen as one of the South's top players...a four-time all-state choice ... rated the nation's top running back by Super Peep Magazine ... collected 35 yards on 11 carries in the Florida-Georgia All-Star Game ... carried 799 times for 6,733 yards and 88 touchdowns during his legendary prep career ... as a senior, tallied 220 rushes for 2,409 yards and 31 touchdowns ... also returned six kickoffs for touchdowns during his career ... averaged 8.4 yards per carry in high school ... father David ran track at Florida State.
It was a crowded backfield and Joe wasn't big on playing freshmen back then. I mean Carter's last season was the year my 28 yo twins were born lol.
Do you have a link for that?
My recollection is that his track times were generally around 11.00 or slightly higher for 100 m. This from wiki:
In addition to football, Barkley also lettered in basketball and track and field at Whitehall. As a senior in 2015, he won Eastern Pennsylvania Conference gold medals in both the 100-meter dash (11.15 seconds) and in the long jump (22'2.5" or 6.77m) at the PIAA District 11 meet, where he also earned a second place finish in the 100-meter dash with a time of 10.90 seconds, which set a Whitehall High School record.[10] Later in the track and field season, Barkley set personal best marks of 46'2.5" (14.08m) in the shot put and 6'0" (1.83m) in the high jump.[11]
**by the way -- no doubt he had excellent football speed (not always the same as track speed) and to my observation got a little faster during his PSU career with his extensive conditioning and weight training.
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Barkley clocks school-record 10.74 in 100
247sports.com
How great it is to be debating WHY a player is so good instead of arguing over whether a player is any good?
It's hard to directly compare RBs like KJC, SB, and NS. As some others have said, there are different kinds of styles and strengths. Top end speed is important on the 50yd runs, but not very important at the 1st 2 levels of defense. It's also imperfect, but I like the shuttle as an indicator of acceleration, body control, and change of pace. But, that's not the whole story either. Some guys just seem to have a different level in some areas. In college, SB was Barry Sanders-esque in his ability to shift in traffic and make defenders miss. It was nothing that could be taught. NS is getting some holes - sometimes not where planned - and he has the patience and vision to find them. He's not the juker like SB or Barry Sanders, but he makes defenders miss and then he has very good acceleration and top end speed once he gets through the LBs. He is a very complete back, and to be doing it as a Freshman is pretty amazing. Hopefully he has some improvement yet to come, and the next two years will be very fun with Presumably Allar, Singleton, and Allen in the backfield.
