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Skin Check 101?

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Does anyone know the process behind the skin checks? Is it performed by medical staff at the hosting facility or by the ref at weigh ins - I assume the former. I certainly do not like the idea of the ref making a medical declaration.

If you think about it, although skin check fails happen frequently it means in this case our staff missed it before we left, as well as Edsil himself. Given it always results in a DQ, whenever it hits a traveling team without a sub available, it's an extremely impactful thing to a dual or a tourney.

What happens when there is a debate where one team's medical staff classifies it as an abbrasion and the other empitaigo, is there an on site appeal?

In retospect knowing we had the DQ and the -6 points that go with it, Verk's match strings a lot more, and he knew going in that DQ was coming. I fear he is going to drive us nuts all season in big matches. I believe he is the better wrestler but our own issue as fans is our (admittedly mine) with Verk, my expectations are just too high. With Gardner my expectations are lower hence he almost always exceeds. We all need to recalibrate our expectations and we'll handle it better. Verk is starting to remind me of Jimmy Gullibon, who I had faith for 4 years would break out and become elite. Truth be told, in that case I think Cael felt the same way, so much for managing expectations, granted Cael says some of the same stuff about Verk.

Ok back to skin check. As I asked in another string. If a skin problem is found, and it can be covered, why not simply apply a medical wrap, then an athletic bandage and tape to cover it (if in a location that can be covered). I know it is highly contagious but what the hell do you think teams do in practice - hold a kid out for two weeks while the rash clears, I highly doubt it? Is it assumed if you can see ring worm or empitaigo, is the contagious area much larger thus covering has limited benefits?

I just think an auto DQ seems far too punitive. What happens some day when a Spencer Lee is going for his 4th and fails a skin check at Nationals with both a possible 4x and/or a team title in the balance?
 
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Does anyone know the process behind the skin checks? Is it performed by medical staff at the hosting facility or by the ref at weigh ins - I assume the former. I certainly do not like the idea of the ref making a medical declaration.

If you think about it, although skin check fails happen frequently it means in this case our staff missed it before we left, as well as Edsil himself. Given it always results in a DQ, whenever it hits a traveling team without a sub available, it's an extremely impactful thing to a dual or a tourney.

What happens when there is a debate where one team's medical staff classifies it as an abbrasion and the other empitaigo, is there an on site appeal?

In retospect knowing we had the DQ and the -6 points that go with it, Verk's match strings a lot more, and he knew going in that DQ was coming. I fear he is going to drive us nuts all season in big matches. I believe he is the better wrestler but our own issue as fans is our (admittedly mine) with Verk, my expectations are just too high. With Gardner my expectations are lower hence he almost always exceeds. We all need to recalibrate our expectations and we'll handle it better. Verk is starting to remind me of Jimmy Gullibon, who I had faith for 4 years would break out and become elite. Truth be told, in that case I think Cael felt the same way, so much for managing expectations, granted Cael says some of the same stuff about Verk.

Ok back to skin check. As I asked in another string. If a skin problem is found, and it can be covered, why not simply apply a medical wrap, then an athletic bandage and tape to cover it (if in a location that can be covered). I know it is highly contagious but what the hell do you think teams do in practice - hold a kid out for two weeks while the rash clears, I highly doubt it? Is it assumed if you can see ring worm or empitaigo, is the contagious area much larger thus covering has limited benefits?

I just think an auto DQ seems far too punitive. What happens some day when a Spencer Lee is going for his 4th and fails a skin check at Nationals with both a possible 4x and/or a team title in the balance?
They actually put in a work-around in the rules a couple of years ago where, if you fail skin check at a conference qualifier, you can still weigh in, and if you make the weight, you're considered to have "participated" in the qualifier for the purposes of being eligible for an at-large berth. Before the rule change, in the situation you've mentioned, if Spencer Lee failed skin checks at Big Ten's, he'd be S.O.L. for nationals.
 
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They actually put in a work-around in the rules a couple of years ago where, if you fail skin check at a conference qualifier, you can still weigh in, and if you make the weight, you're considered to have "participated" in the qualifier for the purposes of being eligible for an at-large berth. Before the rule change, in the situation you've mentioned, if Spencer Lee failed skin checks at Big Ten's, he'd be S.O.L. for nationals.
Spencer is lucky they don't have a pre match mono test.
 
Check out Appendix C in the 2019-20 through 2010-21 Wrestling Interpretations Manual, available free through the NCAA. Too long to copy/past the whole section here.
 
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Check out Appendix C in the 2019-20 through 2010-21 Wrestling Interpretations Manual, available free through the NCAA. Too long to copy/past the whole section here.
Does Appendix C even exist? Or is it a 24-hour disappearing thing like the Kerkvliet photo? :)
 
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If you think about it, although skin check fails happen frequently it means in this case our staff missed it before we left, as well as Edsil himself.

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Or nothing was missed and nothing was visible when they left and whatever the skin check issue was only became visible after they left at which point there is nothing that could be done about it.
 
This is nothing compared to the Seth Nevills skin check debacle at Ironman a couple years ago.
 
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I don’t remember everything but I am pretty sure he had a note from his dermatologist, I think it was first accepted then not.
 
He was on medication and had a note from his dermatologist who dealt with a lot of wrestlers and was very familiar with requirements. IIRC the doctor was a renowned specialist in this sub-field.

I don't recall if he was assured that this would suffice, or if he believed it would because that was standard practice. Probably the former, because his family flew to Akron to see him wrestle.

Except the doctor in Akron flunked him anyway.

Tirapelle went on an epic twitter rant about it. Don't think we'll see Clovis back at Ironman any time soon.
 
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Does anyone know the process behind the skin checks? Is it performed by medical staff at the hosting facility or by the ref at weigh ins - I assume the former. I certainly do not like the idea of the ref making a medical declaration.

If you think about it, although skin check fails happen frequently it means in this case our staff missed it before we left, as well as Edsil himself. Given it always results in a DQ, whenever it hits a traveling team without a sub available, it's an extremely impactful thing to a dual or a tourney.

What happens when there is a debate where one team's medical staff classifies it as an abbrasion and the other empitaigo, is there an on site appeal?

In retospect knowing we had the DQ and the -6 points that go with it, Verk's match strings a lot more, and he knew going in that DQ was coming. I fear he is going to drive us nuts all season in big matches. I believe he is the better wrestler but our own issue as fans is our (admittedly mine) with Verk, my expectations are just too high. With Gardner my expectations are lower hence he almost always exceeds. We all need to recalibrate our expectations and we'll handle it better. Verk is starting to remind me of Jimmy Gullibon, who I had faith for 4 years would break out and become elite. Truth be told, in that case I think Cael felt the same way, so much for managing expectations, granted Cael says some of the same stuff about Verk.

Ok back to skin check. As I asked in another string. If a skin problem is found, and it can be covered, why not simply apply a medical wrap, then an athletic bandage and tape to cover it (if in a location that can be covered). I know it is highly contagious but what the hell do you think teams do in practice - hold a kid out for two weeks while the rash clears, I highly doubt it? Is it assumed if you can see ring worm or empitaigo, is the contagious area much larger thus covering has limited benefits?

I just think an auto DQ seems far too punitive. What happens some day when a Spencer Lee is going for his 4th and fails a skin check at Nationals with both a possible 4x and/or a team title in the balance?

I don’t know the exact science but pretty sure most things can’t just be covered, as they are not just spread from skin to skin contact but also from skin to object and then skin. Although honestly I wouldn’t mind seeing wrestling skip trying the shirt/shorts uniforms and instead go to the long compression pants/long-sleeve shirts that some of the grappling/jiu-jitsu guys wear. I believe that would help with prevention of some of the skin issues.

I would hope that no teams are just intentionally covering up skin conditions in practice that are still contagious (and honestly doubt any are). That would be pretty irresponsible. Also dumb because then of course you risk more guys on the team getting it.

I think the disagreements usually come in when there was something that was treated and should no longer be contagious but is still visible and even with a note there is pushback . Bottom line anything that is questionable should have a note though. I’m not sure how disagreements among the health professionals are handled, could be wrong but I believe it ultimately is up to the home site’s health professionals. They’re not going to intentionally hold someone out to help their school but they may err on the side of caution...
 
I think you just have to look after your skin in life. Not to mention athletes who need to complete all the time. Treatments, ointments, patches, and sprays. All to alleviate skin conditions for the duration of the competition. The external appearance of the skin, various spots is a consequence of internal problems of the body and its diseases. When this happens to me, I go to specialists at VitalSkin vitalskinderm.com, the service of the staff there has been excellent, and my insurance works there. It was obvious from talking to the doctor that they have a wealth of experience and understanding and are passionate about dermatology.
 
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Not sure if college differs from high school or not, but this is what I know as a certified ref, and former coach.

As a coach, we documented weight every day after practice, during which time, we did skin checks. If something looked funny, we made sure we gave them a skin form, and told them to get in touch with their doctor so they can have documentation as to what it is and that it is either fine, or being treated. That skin form is then brought to weigh ins to show if needed.

As a ref, we check skin, nails, braces, alternative equipment, etc. As long as wrestlers pass those checks, or have documentation for anything "suspicious' they then step on the scale.
 
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I think you just have to look after your skin in life. Not to mention athletes who need to complete all the time. Treatments, ointments, patches, and sprays. All to alleviate skin conditions for the duration of the competition. The external appearance of the skin, various spots is a consequence of internal problems of the body and its diseases.

I can’t believe we had to wait more than two years for this interjection of sage wisdom.
 
I think you just have to look after your skin in life. Not to mention athletes who need to complete all the time. Treatments, ointments, patches, and sprays. All to alleviate skin conditions for the duration of the competition. The external appearance of the skin, various spots is a consequence of internal problems of the body and its diseases.
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The topic bumped, the time between, the fact that it motivated my man Julian to make an eighth post. THATS HOW YOU BE GREAT!
 
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