So... better to win NIT or go out in the 32 at NCAA?

[psute]

Had this discussion on my home board as well. Better to win the NIT if you don't make it to the sweet 16 in the NCAA. I also think about the kids. Playing in friggin Madison Square Garden. The all time most famous indoor venue in history. These are memories they will carry for the rest of their lives. Precious few individuals ever get to say "been there, done it" to their grandkids when they see it on TV...

 

[phillybillyreprise]

In winning against Temple, NotreDame, Marquette, Mississippi State and Utah, Penn State basketball was seen by their fans, college basketball fans as well as PSU recruits. That's more than a one and done in the NCAA.

 

[SimplyComplicated]

The “NIT squads” were better than a large percentage of the NCAA teams. You post as if the NIT teams we’re horrible and all the NCAA teams were great just because they got into the tournament.

Huh? No, I posted the reality.

There were 36 non-auto-bids and 32 auto-bids that made the NCAA tourney. All of those non-auto-bids were deemed better than any of the NIT squads. That means, at best, if we eliminated all the auto-bids and inserted the NIT squads into the NCAA tourney, the best NIT squad would be a 10-seed. It's just math (36/4=9, so the next number is ... 10!)

Of course, we also know that a number of those auto-bids would have made it in over any of the NIT squads without the auto bid ... without checking every conference, I think it's safe to say at least 8 conference tourney winners (ACC, Big Ten, etc.) would have made it.

So, realistically, the very best NIT squad would have been a 12 seed in the NCAA, without NCAA Tourney auto-bids. So, PSU beat 12-16 seeds, at best, in the NCAA tourney, without NCAA Tourney auto-bids.

 

[Bobpsu]

Yeah, so if the automatic bids went bye-bye, and NIT teams were pushed into the NCAA tournament, they'd be 10th-16th seed squads ... and I'm being generous to the NIT squads. Basically, winning the NIT is like beating a serious of double-digit NCAA squads. Yippee.

Except, because it's not actually the NCAA Tourney, it doesn't carry with it the same prestige as beating a series of 10th-16th seeds, which is very little to begin with.

Penn State was still playing while 64 teams were at home!

 

[WDLion]

Huh? No, I posted the reality.

There were 36 non-auto-bids and 32 auto-bids that made the NCAA tourney. All of those non-auto-bids were deemed better than any of the NIT squads. That means, at best, if we eliminated all the auto-bids and inserted the NIT squads into the NCAA tourney, the best NIT squad would be a 10-seed. It's just math (36/4=9, so the next number is ... 10!)

Of course, we also know that a number of those auto-bids would have made it in over any of the NIT squads without the auto bid ... without checking every conference, I think it's safe to say at least 8 conference tourney winners (ACC, Big Ten, etc.) would have made it.

So, realistically, the very best NIT squad would have been a 12 seed in the NCAA, without NCAA Tourney auto-bids. So, PSU beat 12-16 seeds, at best, in the NCAA tourney, without NCAA Tourney auto-bids.

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Deemed better means nothing.
40 teams were deemed better than Loyola. But they weren't.

 

[AWS1022]

Huh? No, I posted the reality.

There were 36 non-auto-bids and 32 auto-bids that made the NCAA tourney. All of those non-auto-bids were deemed better than any of the NIT squads. That means, at best, if we eliminated all the auto-bids and inserted the NIT squads into the NCAA tourney, the best NIT squad would be a 10-seed. It's just math (36/4=9, so the next number is ... 10!)

Of course, we also know that a number of those auto-bids would have made it in over any of the NIT squads without the auto bid ... without checking every conference, I think it's safe to say at least 8 conference tourney winners (ACC, Big Ten, etc.) would have made it.

So, realistically, the very best NIT squad would have been a 12 seed in the NCAA, without NCAA Tourney auto-bids. So, PSU beat 12-16 seeds, at best, in the NCAA tourney, without NCAA Tourney auto-bids.

Loyola Chicago made the Final Four, the team that was tied for 4th in the Big made the Final Four, this was the first year in history a #1 seed lost to a #16 seed...not exactly an impressive field.

 

[indynittany]

Loyola Chicago made the Final Four, the team that was tied for 4th in the Big made the Final Four, this was the first year in history a #1 seed lost to a #16 seed...not exactly an impressive field.

Only two teams are going to win their last game of the season. PSU is one of them!

 

[Nit16]

And why are you whining about it now? What good does that do? Shoulda woulda coulda isn't going to change anything.

The kids played their hearts out and won the tournament they got invited to.

Alls good. Like your pic. Good touch.

 

[Nit16]

NIT for a senior laden team would suck...5 games in the NIT for a young team is a good thing.

You do remember that the thread is about Chambers right? Players are young and they played great. Back to a couple of my questions. Are you satisfied with the Chambers 10 year timeline and is now the time to lock him up long term?

 

[Nit16]

Better to win the NIT. Almost every time.

I think quite a few seasoned college BB fans around the country would agree.

Not understanding why anybody would question that.

Because what you post is idiotic that’s why.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

Because what you post is idiotic that’s why.

This is not going as well as you hoped, is it?

 

[Nit16]

You’re giving way too much credit to the tournament teams. Most of the NCAA tournament teams were the same or worse than the NIT. Some of you are acting as if the NIT was made up of a bunch of D-2 schools. Penn State could be competitive with any team in the NCAA tournament and in a tournament situation, that’s all you need to pull of some wins.

Temple game level against a playin or second game 4 seed would have produced an early exit. I think some are forgetting Penn State was a middle of the pack Big Ten team in a down year for the conference. RPI around 80. These weren’t anything but average to a bit better than average teams we just beat. Look at the PAC 12 in the NCAAs LOL. Total embarrassment. The NIT is so below the line that Utah made it to NY. Come on man we come off as desperate trying to describe the NIT like it is a great Tournament. This is getting ridiculous.

 

[Nit16]

This is not going as well as you hoped, is it?

Perfectly fine sir. Actually reading posts like yours proves there are quite a few that have no idea what matters in college sports. LOL at NIT vs NCAAs

 

[psugisher]

You do remember that the thread is about Chambers right? Players are young and they played great. Back to a couple of my questions. Are you satisfied with the Chambers 10 year timeline and is now the time to lock him up long term?

You're confused.. you're in the wrong thread

 

[psugisher]

Loyola Chicago made the Final Four, the team that was tied for 4th in the Big made the Final Four, this was the first year in history a #1 seed lost to a #16 seed...not exactly an impressive field.

Agreed.. ton of parity and not much to differentiate the teams muddling around the bubble. It's just too bad it took until March for us to differentiate ourselves from all those other teams on the bubble. Our non-con has to get teams like we played in the NIT on it. Maybe the NIT championship and the team's potential gets us the chance to play in some of those bigger pre-season tournaments and maybe some neutral site games. There can't be a long list of home cream puff games to start. It doesn't get the team ready for conference season and doesn't help the resume.

 

[WDLion]

You do remember that the thread is about Chambers right? Players are young and they played great. Back to a couple of my questions. Are you satisfied with the Chambers 10 year timeline and is now the time to lock him up long term?

The OP wasn't about Chambers.
The OPs question was which benefits the team more. One game in the NCAAT or winning five games in the NIT.

 

[razpsu]

The benefit of the run in the nit will be known the next two years. Chambers needs to capitalize on the experience and if he gets to the NCAAs it may help them advance. If we do not get to the NCAAs next year then it didn’t help.

 

[WDLion]

You're confused.. you're in the wrong thread

Yep. The original post didn't even mention Chambers.

 

[BobPSU92]

Had this discussion on my home board as well. Better to win the NIT if you don't make it to the sweet 16 in the NCAA. I also think about the kids. Playing in friggin Madison Square Garden. The all time most famous indoor venue in history. These are memories they will carry for the rest of their lives. Precious few individuals ever get to say "been there, done it" to their grandkids when they see it on TV...

A downside of the tournament is you have some teams playing early-round games 2000 miles from home in front of no one.

 

[SimplyComplicated]

Penn State was still playing while 64 teams were at home!

So were the remaining CIT participants. Should Northern Colorado be jumping for joy, and be glad they didn't make the NIT, or the NCAAA tourney?

 

[SimplyComplicated]

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Deemed better means nothing.
40 teams were deemed better than Loyola. But they weren't.

Deemed better means everything, because it means they didn't make the NCAA tourney. Loyola did. That's why being deemed good enough to make the NCAA tourney is better than winning the NIT. Because having the recognition of being deemed good enough, and having the opportunity to go on a Loyola run, is better than winning a tourney of also-rans.

 

[SimplyComplicated]

Loyola Chicago made the Final Four, the team that was tied for 4th in the Big made the Final Four, this was the first year in history a #1 seed lost to a #16 seed...not exactly an impressive field.

And PSU didn't make it.

 

[WDLion]

Deemed better means everything, because it means they didn't make the NCAA tourney. Loyola did. That's why being deemed good enough to make the NCAA tourney is better than winning the NIT. Because having the recognition of being deemed good enough, and having the opportunity to go on a Loyola run, is better than winning a tourney of also-rans.

That wasn't the question.The OP asked which scenario benefited the team more. One game in the NCAAT or winning five games in the NIT.

 

[SimplyComplicated]

That wasn't the question.The OP asked which scenario benefited the team more. One game in the NCAAT or winning five games in the NIT.

Actually, the OP was what benefited the program (not the team, which would denote this particular group of guys, not the program as a whole). And, yes, making the NCAA as a 9 seed and playing only 2 games would benefit the program more than winning the NIT.

Tell a decent recruit that you made the NCAA tourney, and have talent staying and coming in, regardless of how well you did ... and they're excited for your future.

Tell a decent recruit that you made the NIT, and won it, while you haven't made the NCAA in eons (it might be slightly shorter than eons, but why split hairs?), and they think that: 1. The NIT is actually a thing?, and 2. Isn't that where the teams that aren't good enough to go to the tourney that lets everyone in, end up?

 

[AWS1022]

And PSU didn't make it.

Should have and didn’t are two different things.

 

[AWS1022]

Actually, the OP was what benefited the program (not the team, which would denote this particular group of guys, not the program as a whole). And, yes, making the NCAA as a 9 seed and playing only 2 games would benefit the program more than winning the NIT.

Tell a decent recruit that you made the NCAA tourney, and have talent staying and coming in, regardless of how well you did ... and they're excited for your future.

Tell a decent recruit that you made the NIT, and won it, while you haven't made the NCAA in eons (it might be slightly shorter than eons, but why split hairs?), and they think that: 1. The NIT is actually a thing?, and 2. Isn't that where the teams that aren't good enough to go to the tourney that lets everyone in, end up?

How on earth would you know what a recruit is thinking?

 

[psu1969a]

ALL OF YOU NAYSAYERS. We won our SECOND championship trophy in 100+ years of playing basketball. Be thankful!

 

[SimplyComplicated]

Should have and didn’t are two different things.

Didn't is what matters. And they weren't close. 4th seed in NIT.

 

[SimplyComplicated]

How on earth would you know what a recruit is thinking?

Because I know what other people think about the NIT ... ones who aren't looking for silver linings, and aren't trying to spin things as positively for PSU because they won the NIT.

 

[WDLion]

Actually, the OP was what benefited the program (not the team, which would denote this particular group of guys, not the program as a whole). And, yes, making the NCAA as a 9 seed and playing only 2 games would benefit the program more than winning the NIT.

Tell a decent recruit that you made the NCAA tourney, and have talent staying and coming in, regardless of how well you did ... and they're excited for your future.

Tell a decent recruit that you made the NIT, and won it, while you haven't made the NCAA in eons (it might be slightly shorter than eons, but why split hairs?), and they think that: 1. The NIT is actually a thing?, and 2. Isn't that where the teams that aren't good enough to go to the tourney that lets everyone in, end up?

If it helps this team to be better next year it could benefit the the program in the future. The present goal is to better this team.

 

[T J]

We played better teams in the NIT than many of the NCAA tournament teams did.

Easy bet, since the NCAA teams didn’t play any of the NIT teams in the NIT T.

 

[AWS1022]

Didn't is what matters. And they weren't close. 4th seed in NIT.

Seeding in the NIT means jack. If anyone watched them in the NIT and doesn’t think they deserved to be in the NCAA based on how they played doesn’t know much about basketball.

 

[AWS1022]

Because I know what other people think about the NIT ... ones who aren't looking for silver linings, and aren't trying to spin things as positively for PSU because they won the NIT.

You know what you think of the NIT. And a championship is always positive unless you’re just looking for the negative. I don’t have to spin that.

 

[psu1969a]

Had this discussion on my home board as well. Better to win the NIT if you don't make it to the sweet 16 in the NCAA. I also think about the kids. Playing in friggin Madison Square Garden. The all time most famous indoor venue in history. These are memories they will carry for the rest of their lives. Precious few individuals ever get to say "been there, done it" to their grandkids when they see it on TV...

"Playing in friggin Madison Square Garden. The all time most famous indoor venue in history." When did MSG get this recognition and from whom (ESPN)? Always favored the Garden, home of the G.O.A.T. in Boston - The Celtics.

 

[GregInPitt]

Actually, the OP was what benefited the program (not the team, which would denote this particular group of guys, not the program as a whole). And, yes, making the NCAA as a 9 seed and playing only 2 games would benefit the program more than winning the NIT.

Tell a decent recruit that you made the NCAA tourney, and have talent staying and coming in, regardless of how well you did ... and they're excited for your future.

Tell a decent recruit that you made the NIT, and won it, while you haven't made the NCAA in eons (it might be slightly shorter than eons, but why split hairs?), and they think that: 1. The NIT is actually a thing?, and 2. Isn't that where the teams that aren't good enough to go to the tourney that lets everyone in, end up?

Go and find one and tell them.

Fortunately for PSU, most "decent" recruits already know that half the teams that "made" the NCAA are no better than PSU and many are not as good as PSU since the only way them "made" it was by the ridiculous automatic bids being give to bad teams.

"decent" recruits also know that those bad teams that "made" the NCAA are not going anywhere in the NCAA and that those bad teams that "made" it will not likely be good enough going forward to do damage in the NCAA.

Also fortunately for PSU "decent" recruits are attracted to a program that has a young nucleus of talented players that have gotten 5 more wins by playing in the NIT, along with playing at Madison Square Garden.

Also fortunately for PSU any "decent" recruit that loves BB is well aware of the NIT.

Dread is considered a pretty "decent" recruit, so if you have some insight or quotes from him to the contrary, let us know.

 

[SimplyComplicated]

Seeding in the NIT means jack. If anyone watched them in the NIT and doesn’t think they deserved to be in the NCAA based on how they played doesn’t know much about basketball.

They obviously didn't deserve to be in the NCAA tourney. The folks who were playing the selection/seeding prediction game even opined that PSU not only wouldn't be in the NCAA, but they wouldn't be a high seed in the NIT ... because they follow the same general process. And they were correct.

Look, I get it. You want to say that, because they did well in the NIT, that the seedings and selections for the NCAA are bunk ... but, simply, that's bunk. They didn't deserve to make the NCAA tourney, and they didn't.

I would much rather have a team that performs well enough during the regular season to warrant an NCAA tourney selection (even if they have an early exit), than a team that rolls through the NIT, because they didn't perform well enough in the regular season to deserve a bid. NCAA tourney bids will benefit the program more than winning a tourney of teams that didn't perform well enough during the regular season to justify inclusion in the real tourney.

 

[AWS1022]

They obviously didn't deserve to be in the NCAA tourney. The folks who were playing the selection/seeding prediction game even opined that PSU not only wouldn't be in the NCAA, but they wouldn't be a high seed in the NIT ... because they follow the same general process. And they were correct.

Look, I get it. You want to say that, because they did well in the NIT, that the seedings and selections for the NCAA are bunk ... but, simply, that's bunk. They didn't deserve to make the NCAA tourney, and they didn't.

I would much rather have a team that performs well enough during the regular season to warrant an NCAA tourney selection (even if they have an early exit), than a team that rolls through the NIT, because they didn't perform well enough in the regular season to deserve a bid. NCAA tourney bids will benefit the program more than winning a tourney of teams that didn't perform well enough during the regular season to justify inclusion in the real tourney.

You mean like Oklahoma and Syracuse? Ok, got it.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Sigh--some think winning the NIT means we should have made the NCAAs when we weren't even in the discussion or a bubble team. Win more games--play a better non-conference schedule and maybe we'd have an argument. Winning the NIT means next to nothing. Hopefully it helps us next year.

 

[SimplyComplicated]

Go and find one and tell them.

Fortunately for PSU, most "decent" recruits already know that half the teams that "made" the NCAA are no better than PSU and many are not as good as PSU since the only way them "made" it was by the ridiculous automatic bids being give to bad teams.

"decent" recruits also know that those bad teams that "made" the NCAA are not going anywhere in the NCAA and that those bad teams that "made" it will not likely be good enough going forward to do damage in the NCAA.

Also fortunately for PSU "decent" recruits are attracted to a program that has a young nucleus of talented players that have gotten 5 more wins by playing in the NIT, along with playing at Madison Square Garden.

Also fortunately for PSU any "decent" recruit that loves BB is well aware of the NIT.

Dread is considered a pretty "decent" recruit, so if you have some insight or quotes from him to the contrary, let us know.

Dread is #151 on 247. Yawn. And irrelevant to the the point about NCAA tourney v. NIT, since he committed well before PSU didn't make the NCAA tourney.

Decent recruits are also aware of the CIT. Does anyone give a rip who wins that? Are recruits more excited about a CIT win than an NCAA tourney berth, or even an NIT berth?

 

[SimplyComplicated]

You mean like Oklahoma and Syracuse? Ok, got it.

If only you were truthful.