So if Franklin leaves, does Yurcich leave too and then Allar decommits?
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Yurcich was the playcaller. Would not be sad when he is gone if I he was a star. A qb knows what is better
Penn State gives up the football program and Beaver Stadium is converted to a Top Golf facility.
Not to worry, our next coach will bring in consistent #1 recruiting classes, will out coach the other guy every single game, will never blow a fourth quarter lead, and will be a genius at clock management. He’s out there, easy to find. I know no other programs can find that guy, but we’re Penn State, it’s what we deserve.
You lost me when you said it's worth considering.
Your condescension is unimpressive. Do you have anything to add to the conversation apart from snarkiness?
I noticed a while back that lion8286 only gives laugh likes here. No posts. I guess he got shit-canned. That’s a shame.
List the games where Franklin out-coached an opponent? List the resume of road wins against equal or better talent. Now list the reverse - where Franklin was out-coached here and lost on the home field to inferior teams? If you are honest, you will realize it is time.
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Disagree. If Franklin and Yurcich are here, I believe he remains committed to PSU. If they leave, odds of him decommitting rise dramatically.
It’s been said that Allar and Yurcich are joined at the hip. If Yurcich is here, Allar’s coming. If for some reason he’s not, Allar may look elsewhere.
Some things around here need to produce green on the ledger, unless there is another hike to tuition coming...
If I knew the next guy could bring in recruits like Franklin, I'd change out coaches in a minute.
Only thing Franklin is good at is recruiting. Very average at everything else.
65 games is too many to list, but that’s how many he won, so that’s how many he outcoached his opponent. Then throw in the ones where the game plan was better, but our players didn’t execute. See how this works? There’s no answer to this question. There’s no way to adequately judge whether he was outcoached or not. You can’t say in the games he won it was just because he had better talent then blame coaching for the games he lost.
If someone guaranteed our next coach could recruit, would have one 5-7 season, one 9 win season, and three 11 win seasons in the next five years, would you take him?
You have completely lost all objectivity.
His record is what it is - reasonable.
His recruiting is really quite good.
His on field coaching and hiring is pretty suspect.
Not sure how you can have a different opinion.
If you're USC or LSU right now and you pop on that Illinois game tape......is that really your top choice? Honestly, he didn't have his team prepared to play coming off a loss with a bye week. Not ready to play is being generous....both LINES got embarrassed out there. We couldn't run the ball on a team that was giving up the run and we still tried to fit the square peg in there as JF thought he could just fix it....yet he hasn't 7 weeks into the season. Sorry the LEVERAGE card he and his agent play every year...and I mean EVERY year has lost it's luster. You want keep dangling carrots and you can't win homecoming against Illinois.....you aren't nearly as good as you think you are. PSU will be lucky to finish out 7-5....lucky. Sorry but his name isn't so hot right now.
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Well, the question doesn't represent the whole picture.
BUT, if I could make the switch to a new coach that would do that, I would.
Franklin obviously did exactly what you're asking if I would accept from a new coach.
But he followed up that peak performance with a very mediocre performance, and other than recruiting, we seem to be going the wrong direction.
Once Franklin achieved what you outlined in your question, he regressed. That's the issue. Last year was bad, and this year is not good either, looking like it's going to be pretty bad.
If I could get a new, very smart coach and guarantee one 5-7 season, one 9 win season, and three 11 win seasons in the first five years, I get the chance that he's going to continue upward, and not regress.
So if your new guy does that, then has a bad season, I guess you would want him fired?
Two bad seasons, you mean. He does NOT "get a pass" for last season. Franklin's swallowing of the nonsense of Covid "hook, line, and sinker" speaks to his judgment, and the smarter coaches had NONE OF THAT BS.
Are players developing?
Do we seem unable to actually coach - never adjusting to the game, bad clock management?
Franklin's record is reasonable for one of the three main teams in the Big 10.
The way in which we've gotten there is not as good.
So much is not just record, it is a general unease with his abilities as a top notch leader.
That said, I'm a little reluctant to pull the trigger because the recruiting really does seem to be sound - and that's 85% of the game.
This season isn’t done yet. I just think no matter who we get, we’re going to have the same results but maybe for different reasons. The next guy might be a better strategy guy, but we will lose games we shouldn’t and not make the playoffs because he doesn’t recruit well enough. Or he may not have good enough assistants. I think as long as we’re competing with OSU, we’re starting every year off with at least one loss….throw in another one (which pretty much any coach will have) and we’re at our ceiling. We’re not Bama or OSU and we won’t be, so this ideal coach does not exist. Whoever we have, the same posters will complain about him but maybe for different reasons.
Give us the list of coaches who could lose to this Illinois team , at home, with Illinois needing to play their 3rd string walk-on WB for the win. I will take someone else not on that list and take my chances.
Give me the list of coaches who could win a Big championship in year three after the sanctions we got hit with…and then tell me another worthy candidate who would have taken the job in the first place. We’re expected to bow down at the feet of Hack for staying with his recruitment, but give Franklin no leeway for taking on the sh!tshow to begin with.
You don't get to hold the school hostage every offseason with the threat of leaving while your program isn't taking the next step. Sorry but if he and his agent weren't doing this every GD year and in particular this year where he finally did nab a good QB class....it would be one thing, but he is still playing that card for "leverage". Competing with tOSU is what exactly? 1 win at home in 9 years? Posters have every right to complain about a coach who gets drilled at home against a 2-5 team coming off of a loss. Only in your world do you simply ignore the fact he holds the university hostage each year, asking for more, and producing less? PSU will be very lucky to finishing out with 7-8 wins if that is how they are going to play. 4-5 and then 7-5 or 8-4 with an embarrassing loss while you fish for more money and jobs.....sorry, but being loyal is a 2 way street.
Honestly, I'd rather get the same record with better coaching and lesser recruits.
It feels better.
Losing because you can't develop talent and can't coach is dissatisfying.
Losing because the other team is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in comparison to your players isn't so bad.
Pretty much sums it up. I would add that player development is also suspect. Either that, or he is below average in evaluating HS talent that will develop into serviceable to top line players. All coaches have some misses in this respect, but it seems Franklin has more misses than average, especially with regard to QB. But then again it could be player development which includes subpar assistant coaching.
PSU was 4-5 last year and there isn't an excuse you can play for this loss that justifies this coach holding everyone hostage while he plays his leverage games. How can he expect people to stay loyal to him when he plays these same games each year with these other jobs? Loyalty is a 2 way street and why should they keep rewarding him with raises and other things if he keeps holding this over their head? Listen, I get that he wants more, but there has to be some middle ground here and his throwing his name into every big job isn't an accident.
2 first round picks in the NFL draft last season and both are in the discussion for Defensive Rookie of the Year.
But don’t you see, every loss is because of coaching….go back and read the threads after every loss. Every loss to OSU was blamed on the coach even though that’s like losing to the Buccaneers in the college world. And how is losing because you have worse talent better? So you’re saying you’d rather be Iowa? We have two possibilities to get us to the level posters wants us to be: have OSU have a down cycle or join the ACC…that’s it, regardless of the coach.
Yeah, who cares about a terrific incoming class with playmakers at QB and RB especially?
Let's take a few steps backwards?
