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Ryan and Manning.....so sorry to see that. Although his antics are questionable, thought he was more of a straight up guy, apparently not.

Maybe they're okay coaches technique wise but no guts or ethics toward the sport. I thank this administration for bringing in Cael every time I think about NCAA wrestling.
 
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I tried to think of a simaler situation in sports and had the TV on watching Connecticut girls basketball going for their 100th win in a row. Geno was willing to play Tennessee 2 times a year. Pat Summit started to lose to the Huskies on a regular basis and dropped them from the Vols schedule. Very simaler situation.
 
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I won't go so far as to call Brands a coward, because I think T&T are nails, but I'm disappointed that it appears they're ducking the match. If they still harbor a grudge, go into VT's gym, spank their team, and leave having proved a point.
 
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Callthestall said:
I tried to think of a simaler situation in sports and had the TV on watching Connecticut girls basketball going for their 100th win in a row. Geno was willing to play Tennessee 2 times a year. Pat Summit started to lose to the Huskies on a regular basis and dropped them from the Vols schedule. Very simaler situation.
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Penn State has never had a coach who refused to play certain opponents? Interesting.
 
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WildTurk said:
Did you guys even know who he was 7 years ago?
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Who guys? That's a pretty broad group. Myself and a large group saw Cael wrestle at Bryce Jordan his Sophomore and Junior years in National Duals. Well over 10 matches. We then followed him to National Duals his senior year in Columbus. We didn't drive the 4 hours to Columbus to see Stephen Abas (although we quickly figured out he was a great wrestler). We went to see Cael. We recognized greatness even in a different colored singlet. Recognition and acknowledgement. Two important steps. You'll get there.
 
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Who guys? That's a pretty broad group. Myself and a large group saw Cael wrestle at Bryce Jordan his Sophomore and Junior years in National Duals. Well over 10 matches. We then followed him to National Duals his senior year in Columbus. We didn't drive the 4 hours to Columbus to see Stephen Abas (although we quickly figured out he was a great wrestler). We went to see Cael. We recognized greatness even in a different colored singlet. Recognition and acknowledgement. Two important steps. You'll get there.
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+++ Post of the day. Bravo.
 
TangSoo said:
Who guys? That's a pretty broad group. Myself and a large group saw Cael wrestle at Bryce Jordan his Sophomore and Junior years in National Duals. Well over 10 matches. We then followed him to National Duals his senior year in Columbus. We didn't drive the 4 hours to Columbus to see Stephen Abas (although we quickly figured out he was a great wrestler). We went to see Cael. We recognized greatness even in a different colored singlet. Recognition and acknowledgement. Two important steps. You'll get there.
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I still have his Wheaties box and poster from the Des Moines Register. I was always a fan of his wrestling. I think i have the recognition and acknowledgement part down just fine
 
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Not saying i agree with Iowa's position, but I do think it is instructive to at least see two sides to the argument. Apparently Va Tech refused to grant releases to the Iowa wrestlers who wanted to follow Brands back to Iowa, costing those guys a year of eligibility. That is the grudge that started it all. I am sure VT would say that they were used by Brands who was there a short time and then ran back home with wrestlers in tow (the 'double recruiting class') setting VaTech back. Of course, VaTech seems to have recovered or maintained the momentum nicely (ironically with an Iowa guy as coach). Was VT 'right' to not release the wrestlers? Is Iowa 'right' to now say 'screw you'? I am not sure I have a strong opinion either way.

As a fan I would have gone out of my way to watch, so I am disappointed that they didn't say "we don't like them, we don't agree with them, and we don't want to help their program, but we will support the NWCA model that we agreed to and show up. And kick their a$$". Unfortunately that didn't happen.
 
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Not saying i agree with Iowa's position, but I do think it is instructive to at least see two sides to the argument. Apparently Va Tech refused to grant releases to the Iowa wrestlers who wanted to follow Brands back to Iowa, costing those guys a year of eligibility. That is the grudge that started it all. I am sure VT would say that they were used by Brands who was there a short time and then ran back home with wrestlers in tow (the 'double recruiting class') setting VaTech back. Of course, VaTech seems to have recovered or maintained the momentum nicely (ironically with an Iowa guy as coach). Was VT 'right' to not release the wrestlers? Is Iowa 'right' to now say 'screw you'? I am not sure I have a strong opinion either way.

As a fan I would have gone out of my way to watch, so I am disappointed that they didn't say "we don't like them, we don't agree with them, and we don't want to help their program, but we will support the NWCA model that we agreed to and show up. And kick their a$$". Unfortunately that didn't happen.
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How does that explain their lame denials last year that the NWCA Selection Committee was not privately lobbied to screw over VaTech last year in favor of NC State who lost the ACC and their dual meet to VaTech prior to the Selection Committee making their choices??? Again, Iowa and the NWCA Selection Committee blatantly lied last year in regards to VaTech's and Dresser's criticism of their treatment of VaTech who had EARNED the #2 non-B1G Seeding over NC State on the mat!!!
 
Franklin_Restores_TheTradition said:
How does that explain their lame denials last year that the NWCA Selection Committee was not privately lobbied to screw over VaTech last year in favor of NC State who lost the ACC and their dual meet to VaTech prior to the Selection Committee making their choices??? Again, Iowa and the NWCA Selection Committee blatantly lied last year in regards to VaTech's and Dresser's criticism of their treatment of VaTech who had EARNED the #2 non-B1G Seeding over NC State on the mat!!!
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Not trying to explain anyone's "lame denials". I don't know all of the history.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Everyone knows the transfer rules, everyone knows the penalties. If a school grant a release it is well within their rights to do so. It is also within their rights to deny a transfer. Without rules, anarchy reigns and none of us want that. Imagine a scenario where freedom of transfer exists, not very pretty now is it?
 
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Everyone knows the transfer rules, everyone knows the penalties. If a school grant a release it is well within their rights to do so. It is also within their rights to deny a transfer. Without rules, anarchy reigns and none of us want that. Imagine a scenario where freedom of transfer exists, not very pretty now is it?
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Athlete pursues better situation: anarchy.
Coach pursues better situation: ??
 
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Franklin_Restores_TheTradition said:
How does that explain their lame denials last year that the NWCA Selection Committee was not privately lobbied to screw over VaTech last year in favor of NC State who lost the ACC and their dual meet to VaTech prior to the Selection Committee making their choices??? Again, Iowa and the NWCA Selection Committee blatantly lied last year in regards to VaTech's and Dresser's criticism of their treatment of VaTech who had EARNED the #2 non-B1G Seeding over NC State on the mat!!!
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Not true. See the link. Especially the part about the actual rankings used to determine the matches.

"In determining matchups for the 2016 National Duals Championship Series, the NWCA used the rankings from the USA Today/NWCA Division I Coaches Poll for Feb. 15, 2016. Penn State and Iowa took the top two spots in the rankings, with perfect records of 15-0 and 16-0, respectively. Oklahoma State was ranked third, with a 12-2 record. NC State was No. 4 with a 22-1 mark, followed by 15-2 Virginia Tech being ranked fifth (despite the outcome of their dual meet last Friday).

Live blogger Britt Malinsky -- known on wrestling message boards as SetonHallPirate on TheMat.com forum -- posted this message on that website's discussion group: "There wasn't a vote, but there certainly was consensus. The vote was taken by the coaches on the NWCA/USA Today Coaches' Poll, and that vote had North Carolina State TWELVE POINTS ahead of Virginia Tech. (for those wondering, each coach votes 1-25, 25 points for first, 24 for second, 23 for third, and so on down to 1 for 25th) ..."

https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/15959
 
WildTurk said:
Did you guys even know who he was 7 years ago?
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No, and I have my own personal reasons for it, too. It doesn't make me any less knowledgeable about the sport or any less of a fan, either.

Tom and Terry are not advocates for the sport of wrestling. They pretend to be, but they are only advocates for themselves and Iowa. That's fine, and I'm OK with that, but Tom likes to tell everybody what is and isn't good for wrestling and when it comes time to making the hard decision and choosing to do what's good for wrestling he chooses what's good for Iowa or Tom and Terry Brands. I wish Tom would stop trying to pretend like he's an advocate for wrestling in the capacity that he does because he isn't.
 
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GOLDBANGER said:
Are you advocating for a freedom of transfer rule?
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I'm pointing out a double standard.

And I'm also pointing out that allowing kids to follow the coach is not the same as a free-for-all open transfer rule.
 
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No, and I have my own personal reasons for it, too. It doesn't make me any less knowledgeable about the sport or any less of a fan, either.

Tom and Terry are not advocates for the sport of wrestling. They pretend to be, but they are only advocates for themselves and Iowa. That's fine, and I'm OK with that, but Tom likes to tell everybody what is and isn't good for wrestling and when it comes time to making the hard decision and choosing to do what's good for wrestling he chooses what's good for Iowa or Tom and Terry Brands. I wish Tom would stop trying to pretend like he's an advocate for wrestling in the capacity that he does because he isn't.
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what a foolish thing to say
 
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El-Jefe said:
I'm pointing out a double standard.

And I'm also pointing out that allowing kids to follow the coach is not the same as a free-for-all open transfer rule.
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The slippery slope my friend, the slippery slope.
 
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The slippery slope my friend, the slippery slope.
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No. It's more honest than the current system of we'll grant you a release wink wink until we don't.

That is, unless one is inclined to take the side of multi-trillion dollar "non-profits" over teenagers, nearly all of whom are paying at least part of the bill and accumulating debt.
 
I believe you should be able to transfer as long as you pay back any scholly money you received in any year where you did not compete for the team. The school can also have the right to wave this requirement if they choose. It also seems crazy that you can't transfer within the conference without being forced to take the one year penalty.
 
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I still have his Wheaties box and poster from the Des Moines Register. I was always a fan of his wrestling. I think i have the recognition and acknowledgement part down just fine
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I'll take your word for it.. An important point I left out was Penn State wasn't even in National Duals Caels senior year. So we truly went to see Cael.

On the subject at hand, I'm disappointed that Brands doesn't just play ball and wrestle VT. Whatever bad blood there is, and I don't have a dog in the fight, he's the one that looks bad.
 
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Penn State has never had a coach who refused to play certain opponents? Interesting.
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Maybe I should have been more specific about a coach just having total disdain for another coach and university. Tennesee Summit hated Geno. She was an old time Rebel who didn't like the Yank getting the better of her. Read about when she was recruiting Michelle Marcinack of Allentown. She was 9 months pregnant and her water broke. She got back on the plane to fly to the South so she wouldn't have a kid in the North. Brand's has the same disregard for VT. Maybe he's pregnant.
 
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No, wrestling is still new to all of us. Never cared about or followed college wrestling until Penn State won the national title in 2010-11.
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I remember playing that old "Seawolf" video game in the lobby of the Ramada Hotel in Oklahoma City, as a child, back in the 1970's, when we all went to follow the Nittany Lions wrestle at that round-shaped arena in Norman, during the NCAA wrestling championships. We didn't finish very high in the team standings that year, didn't even take more than 5 or 6 wrestlers into the tournament, but it was fun, and the steaks were AWESOME. Met some cute midwestern girls too.

There were some AWESOME matches in that one. Lehigh had that Leiberman kid, Lee Kemp went up against that Kelly kid from Iowa State. That giant man at Hwy from Okla st was booed by the sooner fans, who called him an "aggie"(had to ask to find out why they called him that). PSU had a 3rd place AA with Jerry White(great wrestler back in the day), and the Iowa dynasty was just beginning..

But, yep, wrestling is new to me and I didn't follow the sport at all before Cael Sanderson came along...unless you count Bill Koll, John Fritz, and Rich Lorenzo, lmao.
 
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Maybe I should have been more specific about a coach just having total disdain for another coach and university. Tennesee Summit hated Geno. She was an old time Rebel who didn't like the Yank getting the better of her. Read about when she was recruiting Michelle Marcinack of Allentown. She was 9 months pregnant and her water broke. She got back on the plane to fly to the South so she wouldn't have a kid in the North. Brand's has the same disregard for VT. Maybe he's pregnant.
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So, kinda like a certain PSU coach declining an NFL offer because he couldn't "leave college coaching to the Switzers and Sherrills" .. and then apologizing -- to Switzer. The hatred for Pitt ran really deep.
 
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