Some interesting info on the 2016 class....

[GregInPitt]

Did you guys know that of the 2016 commits, PSU has offered only 1 of the current Alabama commits (Diggs), whereas Alabama offered 6 of the current PSU commits?
Dalton
Dioubate
Mennet
McPhereson
Sanders
Simmons

Its also interesting that Bama had 261+ offers out, whereas CJF/PSU only offered 164 to put the current class together....Don't know if this is good or bad.... It says to me that CJF prefers to keep a focus on targets in his main geographic area and at least this year got commits on a higher percentage of offers. On 247 you can see where (i.e. what states) the targets were. Bama is focused somewhat on Florida and George where there is obviously a ton of talent....

 

[psuro]

I think we saw this last week

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Did you guys know that of the 2016 commits, PSU has offered only 1 of the current Alabama commits (Diggs), whereas Alabama offered 6 of the current PSU commits?
Dalton
Dioubate
Mennet
McPhereson
Sanders
Simmons

Its also interesting that Bama had 261+ offers out, whereas CJF/PSU only offered 164 to put the current class together....Don't know if this is good or bad.... It says that CJF prefers to keep a focus on targets and at least this year got commits on a higher percentage of offers./ On 247 you can see where (i.e. what states) the targets were. Bama is focused somewhat on Florida and George where there is obviously a ton of talent....

I'm no expert, but I think that suggests we might have some pretty decent incoming talent - maybe.... not on par with ASWP mind you, but a nice little class for "Frank". You got to take what you can get when you don't have 150 consecutive EMNCs (extremely mythical notional championships) and running.

 

[Mudge1026]

Alabama is just one of those schools that put out alot of "offers" to gauge interest. Their "brand" is so strong they can afford to this.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Alabama is just one of those schools that put out alot of "offers" to gauge interest. Their "brand" is so strong they can afford to this.

Exactly, that's why 100% of ASWP's commitments have Alabama Offers well....., that and the fact they have 150 consecutive EMNCs.

 

[ellobo]

Did you guys know that of the 2016 commits, PSU has offered only 1 of the current Alabama commits (Diggs), whereas Alabama offered 6 of the current PSU commits?
Dalton
Dioubate
Mennet
McPhereson
Sanders
Simmons

Its also interesting that Bama had 261+ offers out, whereas CJF/PSU only offered 164 to put the current class together....Don't know if this is good or bad.... It says that CJF prefers to keep a focus on targets and at least this year got commits on a higher percentage of offers./ On 247 you can see where (i.e. what states) the targets were. Bama is focused somewhat on Florida and George where there is obviously a ton of talent....

actually what it says is that Bama has more of a national appeal than PSU. A common practice in football recruiting is to tell kids they will get/discuss an offer if the kid visits campus. It's actually not a real offer but kids report it as so. The schools that can draw kids from around the country throw the "invitation" out nationally knowing that only a certain % will show up and when some do that school will decide whether to go after them or hard or not. Most schools don't bother doing so because they know it is a waste of time.

Bama doesn't end up with the classes they do because they don't focus on certain guys...they end up with the classes they do because they see which national recruits have no interest and then go full focus on the ones who do.

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

Alabama is just one of those schools that put out alot of "offers" to gauge interest. Their "brand" is so strong they can afford to this.

If there brand was so strong they would pick their top 20 to 22, offer them and sign them. Not waste money and time making 300+ offers.. Hell any program can make a lot of offers then fall back to the allowable number that can sign...has little to do with brand strength.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

actually what it says is that Bama has more of a national appeal than PSU. A common practice in football recruiting is to tell kids they will get/discuss an offer if the kid visits campus. It's actually not a real offer but kids report it as so. The schools that can draw kids from around the country throw the "invitation" out nationally knowing that only a certain % will show up and when some do that school will decide whether to go after them or hard or not. Most schools don't bother doing so because they know it is a waste of time.

Bama doesn't end up with the classes they do because they don't focus on certain guys...they end up with the classes they do because they see which national recruits have no interest and then go full focus on the ones who do.

What does this gibberish have to do with PSU more than holding their own where both schools have offered a recruit (which is a small minority of their offers as their "base recruiting areas" are in two different Geo-Cultural Regions of the country). You 1st say that Bama only offers the most elite recruits, but then say it means nothing that PSU won a majority of the recruiting battles to date where the schools both offered, albeit LOI is still a month away and they're not signed until the sign. Not sure what your post is trying to say relative to the OP, but as far as I can understand your post, you're saying a whole lot of nothing relative to the OP.

 

[Rollin Stone]

I would be shocked if that number is actually accurate. I think so recruits will say Alabama has offered them to attract other schools. Their is no way that Alabama, a perennial top 5 team, offers that many kids just to get approx 25 kids.

I agree with the other poster that said they may tell the recruits come to our camp, if we like you we will offer you. If they extended that many offers then they would be spending so much time pulling offers that that's all you would hear about. You would have many below Alabama caliber players accepting their offers that the team doesn't even want. Think about it, ESPN has a top 300 recruits, does it even make sense that Alabama would offer over 75% of them? I even doubt that PSU even offers that many.

Most top teams may actually offer only 30 kids and have official visits of maybe 35 or 40. Most teams don't bring a lot of recruits on official visits unless they are actually offering or already have offered them.

 

[rohrmd9]

If there brand was so strong they would pick their top 20 to 22, offer them and sign them. Not waste money and time making 300+ offers.. Hell any program can make a lot of offers then fall back to the allowable number that can sign...has little to do with brand strength.

They are about to win their 4th national championship in 7 years....their brand is plenty strong.

 

[SR108]

Did you guys know that of the 2016 commits, PSU has offered only 1 of the current Alabama commits (Diggs), whereas Alabama offered 6 of the current PSU commits?
Dalton
Dioubate
Mennet
McPhereson
Sanders
Simmons

Its also interesting that Bama had 261+ offers out, whereas CJF/PSU only offered 164 to put the current class together....Don't know if this is good or bad.... It says that CJF prefers to keep a focus on targets and at least this year got commits on a higher percentage of offers./ On 247 you can see where (i.e. what states) the targets were. Bama is focused somewhat on Florida and George where there is obviously a ton of talent....

Could be that character and the "right fit" is a consideration for Franklin and his staff.

 

[PSU20]

That's what occurs when you recruit nation wide. A few years ago, Florida was probably #1 in offering recruits around the country. I don't know the number this year, but OSU makes a ton of offers, as evidenced by recruits they get from FL, GA, Texas, NJ, and up until a couple years ago, "PA". At the same time locking up their own state.

 

[dbsteel]

actually what it says is that Bama has more of a national appeal than PSU. A common practice in football recruiting is to tell kids they will get/discuss an offer if the kid visits campus. It's actually not a real offer but kids report it as so. The schools that can draw kids from around the country throw the "invitation" out nationally knowing that only a certain % will show up and when some do that school will decide whether to go after them or hard or not. Most schools don't bother doing so because they know it is a waste of time.

Bama doesn't end up with the classes they do because they don't focus on certain guys...they end up with the classes they do because they see which national recruits have no interest and then go full focus on the ones who do.

This is it exactly. We recruit more regionally than they do. They can throw stuff everywhere the way their program is now.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

This is it exactly. We recruit more regionally than they do. They can throw stuff everywhere the way their program is now.

Still don't get what this has to do with OP's point which was....if 6 of our current commitments have offers from Alabama, which all of the main national services say they do, then we must be signing quite a few uber-elite recruits.

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

Still don't get what this has to do with OP's point which was....if 6 of our current commitments have offers from Alabama, which all of the main national services say they do, then we must be signing quite a few uber-elite recruits.

So, Alabama offers 300+ and that makes All 300+ uber elite? Sounds uber BS! What Alabama does is over sign and cut. That's why they field better teams! So the bigger the pool, the more successful this cut program is!

 

[ChiTownLion]

Anyone remember that story from the mid-1990s - John Robinson at USC offered scholarships to 28 football recruits and wound up signing like 23 of them. I'm sure elbow would take that to mean USC had no national appeal back then.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

So, Alabama offers 300+ and that makes All 300+ uber elite? Sounds uber BS! What Alabama does is over sign and cut. That's why they field better teams! So the bigger the pool, the more successful this cut program is!

Way to use your own self-created "facts" which are nothing of the kind...... Here's a hint sport, Alabama doesn't give out +300 open offers. Could we at least try to keep it even remotely real? As per usual, your little excursion to the ASWP Twilight Zone is like a trip to the dentist for a root-canal. Goodbye, it hasn't been at all enjoyable talking to your sorry worthless @as.

 

[zwick99]

Did you guys know that of the 2016 commits, PSU has offered only 1 of the current Alabama commits (Diggs), whereas Alabama offered 6 of the current PSU commits?
Dalton
Dioubate
Mennet
McPhereson
Sanders
Simmons

Its also interesting that Bama had 261+ offers out, whereas CJF/PSU only offered 164 to put the current class together....Don't know if this is good or bad.... It says to me that CJF prefers to keep a focus on targets in his main geographic area and at least this year got commits on a higher percentage of offers. On 247 you can see where (i.e. what states) the targets were. Bama is focused somewhat on Florida and George where there is obviously a ton of talent....

The 2012 and 2013 classes had 10+ players with ZERO P5 offers and a few others with only one or two P5 offers.

 

[ellobo]

Anyone remember that story from the mid-1990s - John Robinson at USC offered scholarships to 28 football recruits and wound up signing like 23 of them. I'm sure elbow would take that to mean USC had no national appeal back then.

Well USC in the 90s didn't have the same appeal as it does today. Didn't they just do a 30/30 on that recently....how USC had lost its way and then Pete Carrol came along...

With that said...it's not like they became Indiana (appeal wise) so you might want to look into the story and how they defined "offer." I highly doubt they only went after 28 or so kids...maybe it was written offers...maybe it was 28 kids took officials...etc. I don't know that story but it sounds a bit fictitious to me.

But that's not the point you seem upset with. I said Bama has more national appeal than PSU right now. So? They are a flat out recruiting machine and are on top of CFB. I mean seriously...admitting that doesn't mean your own program sucks or has no appeal. My wolverines go head to head with them on a handful of kids each year (not just listed offers but final two or three) and we lose most battles. In fact, whenever we (on our board) hear that Bama has made a push for a guy we are in good standing with you'll hear our board give a collective "ugghhh." We win one or two here and there but lose most especially if it is a Southern kid. We win a lot when it comes to kids who list Bama offers but getting an "offer" from Bama and being a priority isn't always the same thing.