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Sooooo....remember Hudson Clement @ WVU?

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He just finished his RS Soph. season. Leading receiver for a so-so team. Led the team on the season with 51 receptions for 741 yds and 5 tds. They finally targeted him in their bowl game and he had 11 receptions for 177 yds and 2 TDs.

He has now entered the portal.
Stay tuned.
 
He just finished his RS Soph. season. Leading receiver for a so-so team. Led the team on the season with 51 receptions for 741 yds and 5 tds. They finally targeted him in their bowl game and he had 11 receptions for 177 yds and 2 TDs.

He has now entered the portal.
Stay tuned.
I watched a little of their bowl game. He caught everything in sight.
 
Anyone know where he's from and his level of interest in PSU prior to committing to WVU? Thanks.
He was a no-star walkon from West Virginia that Demlion identified as an excellent player in high school. He took high criticism from the recruiting experts on this board but was proven correct when Clement turned out to be one of WVU’s best players.
 
Anyone know where he's from and his level of interest in PSU prior to committing to WVU? Thanks.
He is from Martinsburg. He scored EIGHT TDs in the AAAA State Championship game. No one was interested, so he walked on at WVU. I have heard Texas A&M is interested, among others.
 
He averaged less than 4 catches for 50ish yards a game before their scrimmage against Memphis playing in a weak Big XII....yeah he's great. And most of that came against Kansas
 
He averaged less than 4 catches for 50ish yards a game before their scrimmage against Memphis playing in a weak Big XII....yeah he's great. And most of that came against Kansas
No kidding. The coach who so seldom targeted him is now out of work. Cannot catch passes that are not thrown to you.
 
No kidding. The coach who so seldom targeted him is now out of work. Cannot catch passes that are not thrown to you.
That coach was also dumb enough to play Greene so I'm not disagreeing with you there but to suggest the bowl game against Memphis means much is illogical. I like Hudson. He'd be a nice depth addition to most teams but he's not a #1 or #2. What he's accomplished already means he was undervalued coming out of HS but you're overselling him to make up for the lack of respect.

Will be interesting to see where he goes and how much he plays. Playing for RichRod was obviously not a good option.
 
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We shall see. By all means, keep lowballing his talent and skill. When he plays with a qb who can deliver, he will catch the ball and change outcomes for his team.
 
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We shall see. By all means, keep lowballing his talent and skill. When he plays with a qb who can deliver, he will catch the ball and change outcomes for his team.
You're saying he's a #1 on a contender? He's a top-tier NFL type player
Or--yeah, if he goes to Arizona then Fifita needs someone to replace Tetairoa so by default maybe he's a #1 on a team that is far from great?
 
He was a no-star walkon from West Virginia that Demlion identified as an excellent player in high school. He took high criticism from the recruiting experts on this board but was proven correct when Clement turned out to be one of WVU’s best players.
OT What happened to Demlion? I have not seen anything here from him.
 
One of the most ridiculous notions people have on this topic is that, well, if he's not on the recruiting rankings, and no one else has offered him, he does not exist as a player with any shot. I sure HOPE that PSU is not just paying a guy to read the recruiting rankings.

Pretty sure there is a LOT of film from Hudson's HS career that showed him making a BUNCH of acrobatic/difficult catches while closely defended.

If the recruiting rankings were all that mattered, no Div II players would be in the NFL. No Central Michigan players or other "directional school" players would ever get a sniff. AND, no 5-stars (like Julian Fleming, who was the ESPN-labelled "best receiver in PA," would bounce around and not produce. It is an ART.

Martinsburg is 2 hours, 30 minutes from State College. This whole kerfuffle started when I asked if Hud was on our radar. It is beyond ironic that some of the same folks who believe recruiting rankings are the only authority also bitch about our WR room.
 
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A comment about Martinsburg, WV, high school. Last weekend, they won the WV HS state championship in the state's largest classification.

The games were televised here in Pittsburgh on whatever the local sports channel is.

This was quite the entertaining football contest, won on a 75 yard sprint by Martinsburgs QB with about a minute left in the contest. This QB is named Koi Fagan and this guy is elusive, lightning quick and fast. Amazingly, he doesn't have much in the way of D1 interest. Class of 2025.
 
A comment about Martinsburg, WV, high school. Last weekend, they won the WV HS state championship in the state's largest classification.

The games were televised here in Pittsburgh on whatever the local sports channel is.

This was quite the entertaining football contest, won on a 75 yard sprint by Martinsburgs QB with about a minute left in the contest. This QB is named Koi Fagan and this guy is elusive, lightning quick and fast. Amazingly, he doesn't have much in the way of D1 interest. Class of 2025.
From wikipedia: "Martinsburg has won 10 AAA State Football Championships in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021, and 2023."
 
One of the most ridiculous notions people have on this topic is that, well, if he's not on the recruiting rankings, and no one else has offered him, he does not exist as a player with any shot. I sure HOPE that PSU is not just paying a guy to read the recruiting rankings.

Pretty sure there is a LOT of film from Hudson's HS career that showed him making a BUNCH of acrobatic/difficult catches while closely defended.

If the recruiting rankings were all that mattered, no Div II players would be in the NFL. No Central Michigan players or other "directional school" players would ever get a sniff. AND, no 5-stars (like Julian Fleming, who was the ESPN-labelled "best receiver in PA," would bounce around and not produce. It is an ART.

Martinsburg is 2 hours, 30 minutes from State College. This whole kerfuffle started when I asked if Hud was on our radar. It is beyond ironic that some of the same folks who believe recruiting rankings are the only authority also bitch about our WR room.
You're being absurd. Your entire premise is false. Clement had zero D1 offers after his final HS game....zero. (he may have had an invite to play at DII Shepherd). Not a single D1 program, FBS or FCS, discovered the excellent talent of young Hudson. But your premise is that somehow, PSU failed by not finding this kid in the panhandle of WV.

Let's be clear, there is no reason to disparage HC, but your notion that PSU should have found him is ridiculous. PSU is in the top ~10% of CFB programs. It's fighting to recruit from the top pool of players in the country. The staff only has so many hours in the day and so many days to recruit. Time must be prioritized to recruit the best players in the identified pool. There simply isn't enough time to drive the back roads of America trying to find who have Zero offers.
Let's assume Mr Clement was worthy of a PSU offer. Spending time to find him would likely mean that PSU missed out on other targets.
PSU simply doesn't need to invest this kind of effort to find talent and should be trying to find kids with no interest from a single D1 team.

Once upon a time, ~20 yrs ago, PSU was not functioning properly and was struggling to fill recruiting classes. This led them to go find a kid in upstate NY who had zero D1 offers after his final HS game. John Urshel wound up being a great players, and better representative of PSU, but he only got an offer from PSU, because PSU was not functioning at a high level and was desperate.

So please, just stop the nonsense that PSU should have ever known the name Hudson Clement when no other program did, not even WVU or Marshall.
 
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You're being absurd. Your entire premise is false. Clement had zero D1 offers after his final HS game....zero. (he may have had an invite to play at DII Shepherd). Not a single D1 program, FBS or FCS, discovered the excellent talent of young Hudson. But your premise is that somehow, PSU failed by not finding this kid in the panhandle of WV.

Let's be clear, there is no reason to disparage HC, but your notion that PSU should have found him is ridiculous. PSU is in the top ~10% of CFB programs. It's fighting to recruit from the top pool of players in the country. The staff only has so many hours in the day and so many days to recruit. Time must be prioritized to recruit the best players in the identified pool. There simply isn't enough time to drive the back roads of America trying to find who have Zero offers.
Let's assume Mr Clement was worthy of a PSU offer. Spending time to find him would likely mean that PSU missed out on other targets.
PSU simply doesn't need to invest this kind of effort to find talent and should be trying to find kids with no interest from a single D1 team.

Once upon a time, ~20 yrs ago, PSU was not functioning properly and was struggling to fill recruiting classes. This led them to go find a kid in upstate NY who had zero D1 offers after his final HS game. John Urshel wound up being a great players, and better representative of PSU, but he only got an offer from PSU, because PSU was not functioning at a high level and was desperate.

So please, just stop the nonsense that PSU should have ever known the name Hudson Clement when no other program did, not even WVU or Marshall.

So, if otheres are blinkered idiots, it is ok for PSU to nap through it, too? Btw, he was a preferred walkon at WVU, because that's all they had to do.
 
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You're being absurd. Your entire premise is false. Clement had zero D1 offers after his final HS game....zero. (he may have had an invite to play at DII Shepherd). Not a single D1 program, FBS or FCS, discovered the excellent talent of young Hudson. But your premise is that somehow, PSU failed by not finding this kid in the panhandle of WV.

Let's be clear, there is no reason to disparage HC, but your notion that PSU should have found him is ridiculous. PSU is in the top ~10% of CFB programs. It's fighting to recruit from the top pool of players in the country. The staff only has so many hours in the day and so many days to recruit. Time must be prioritized to recruit the best players in the identified pool. There simply isn't enough time to drive the back roads of America trying to find who have Zero offers.
Let's assume Mr Clement was worthy of a PSU offer. Spending time to find him would likely mean that PSU missed out on other targets.
PSU simply doesn't need to invest this kind of effort to find talent and should be trying to find kids with no interest from a single D1 team.

Once upon a time, ~20 yrs ago, PSU was not functioning properly and was struggling to fill recruiting classes. This led them to go find a kid in upstate NY who had zero D1 offers after his final HS game. John Urshel wound up being a great players, and better representative of PSU, but he only got an offer from PSU, because PSU was not functioning at a high level and was desperate.

So please, just stop the nonsense that PSU should have ever known the name Hudson Clement when no other program did, not even WVU or Marshall.
Two words: Jack Ham
 
Good opportunity for him--I think Altmyer is returning
Slight upgrade in terms of program
 
My point is Jack Ham was similarly regarded when Penn State offered him. You can add Shane Conlan among many other players no one else wanted but became All Americans at Penn State.
Okay.
1. It's not reasonable to compare 40+ years ago before schollie limits, to the era of the internet, camps, recruiting services, and NIL.

2. My main point is very basic and unassailable. PSU is a top 10% team. It needs to recruit from the top echelon of players to remain there. There are only so many coaches and so many hours that can be dedicated to recruiting. Dedicating hours to driving around the back hills of America, trying to find a kid with zero offers that might have escaped the attention of the other 133 FBS programs and all 129 FCS teams would be a dereliction of duty.

HC could be the next Jerry Rice and that statement would still be true. If PSU was a functioning program at the time, John Urshel never would have been recruited, but PSU was desperate for bodies and so they offered a kid with Zero offers, a month after his final HS game.
 
It needs to recruit from the top echelon of players to remain there. There are only so many coaches and so many hours that can be dedicated to recruiting. Dedicating hours to driving around the back hills of America, trying to find a kid with zero offers that might have escaped the attention of the other 133 FBS programs and all 129 FCS teams would be a dereliction of duty.

Be happy for HC. Nobody should care that he was missed by EVERY coaching staff. WVU didn't give him a 'ship until he played Duquesne. It happens. Hell, he probably worked harder because of it.
 
Okay.
1. It's not reasonable to compare 40+ years ago before schollie limits, to the era of the internet, camps, recruiting services, and NIL.

2. My main point is very basic and unassailable. PSU is a top 10% team. It needs to recruit from the top echelon of players to remain there. There are only so many coaches and so many hours that can be dedicated to recruiting. Dedicating hours to driving around the back hills of America, trying to find a kid with zero offers that might have escaped the attention of the other 133 FBS programs and all 129 FCS teams would be a dereliction of duty.

HC could be the next Jerry Rice and that statement would still be true. If PSU was a functioning program at the time, John Urshel never would have been recruited, but PSU was desperate for bodies and so they offered a kid with Zero offers, a month after his final HS game.
I don’t accept your premise and frankly it is completely assailable. This kid has proven he is a top player. Penn State would do well to find him and players like him. It’s not like he was hiding by setting records in a state playoff game and all. Heck a student manager could comb the box scores of state championship games and list standouts for follow up. Joe Paterno and his staff found them. Franklin seems pretty good at identifying guys who can play prior to other programs as well.

And number one on your list disproves the flimsy point you’re struggling to make. All of the new tools, especially the internet and camps, make it easier to identify players who might be able to play.
 
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Be happy for HC. Nobody should care that he was missed by EVERY coaching staff. WVU didn't give him a 'ship until he played Duquesne. It happens. Hell, he probably worked harder because of it.
100%. I've never said a bad word about the young man. I've simply told the truth to those that think PSU should trying to find the next John Urshel or HC. It's preposterous and would lead to PSU being a worse team.
 
I don’t accept your premise and frankly it is completely assailable. This kid has proven he is a top player. Penn State would do well to find him and players like him. It’s not like he was hiding by setting records in a state playoff game and all. Heck a student manager could comb the box scores of state championship games and list standouts for follow up. Joe Paterno and his staff found them. Franklin seems pretty good at identifying guys who can play prior to other programs as well.
You do you Kaspar. There's simply not enough hours in the year for that to be a winning strategy. Happy New Year
 
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