Sorenson-Retherford this weekend

[ptomaselli]

So, does Sorenson add the "continuously slap Zain in the head" technique to his arsenal Saturday?

Nothing else he's done has worked to date. I'm sure he, Casey, Cody, Jake, and Cael have developed a countering strategy.

 

[86PSUPaul]

Well, I would argue that the discussed technique hasn't really worked, other than maybe keeping the score down a bit.

 

[RoarLions1]

No

 

[BRETTPSU]

No

 

[ptomaselli]

No, is the answer I would hope for from Sorenson. I'd hope that he's better than gimmicks and fads.

 

[ss7]

Related question:
Does Zain put Sorensen's foot in his ear again?

 

[pish69]

Sorenson's always been a tough kid and game competitor. I'm sure you'll see handfighting but he won't go DeLuca. He won't stoop to that level of bush league stuff.

 

[NoVa Lion]

Related question:
Does Zain put Sorensen's foot in his ear again?

Yes. Zain will score bonus in this match.

 

[PSUcup1]

Sorenson's always been a tough kid and game competitor. I'm sure you'll see handfighting but he won't go DeLuca. He won't stoop to that level of bush league stuff.

exactly.

yes, he should open up his offense more but if not for Zain, kid would probably be a 2X (maybe 3X) champ. bad timing for him

 

[jrd23psu]

Sorensen isn't a slugger like half of the Rutgers team. Sorensen is a fine wrestler and seems like a great guy.

However, if you ask HR they think Sorensen has closed the gap against Zain. You have guys there talking about how close his last match with Zain in Carver was, but they seem to omit the last time they actually wrestled. I don't know, maybe they have blacked it out from their memories but for those from HR that are reading this, allow me to remind you.

 

[pointingdogsrule]

"Sorenson is closing the gap" (I read this on HR)

 

[NittanyLion84]

Yes, the gap between his foot and his ear.

 

[jrd23psu]

"Sorenson is closing the gap" (I read this on HR)

Is he going to get pinned in the second period instead of the first this time?

 

[RandyL]

Did Sorenson have different tactics during the OT match, or just emply them better.
IIRC he got out from bottom quickly somehow ?

 

[NittanyChris]

All I can say is that it was a damn shame that the outcome of the Deakin-Sorensen match was taken out of the wrestlers hands and decided by the Ref with that headgear call. Damn shame.

 

[PSUcup1]

Did Sorenson have different tactics during the OT match, or just emply them better.
IIRC he got out from bottom quickly somehow ?

correct,,, the biggest difference in that match was he escaped from bottom

I also think he got a TD

 

[royboy]

Did Sorenson have different tactics during the OT match, or just emply them better.
IIRC he got out from bottom quickly somehow ?

I think Zain was a little off his game, flu/cold type thing, though that was never publicly disclosed. And Sorenson gave him all he could handle.

Just my guess, but this time I'll say Zain by Major Decision, but not tech.

 

[Lyons212]

Did Sorenson have different tactics during the OT match, or just emply them better.
IIRC he got out from bottom quickly somehow ?

Zain was sick, Cael said as much at the post match PC. Cael rarely makes an excuse.

 

[liex26]

All I can say is that it was a damn shame that the outcome of the Deakin-Sorensen match was taken out of the wrestlers hands and decided by the Ref with that headgear call. Damn shame.

One of our own guys was a benefit of one of those calls last March, I'm sure you remember. While I agree that in both cases it would have been better if the wrestlers decided it, in a way they kind of did. I'm one of those that think the stills show enough to give that ref the benefit of doubt in this call.

 

[NittanyChris]

One of our own guys was a benefit of one of those calls last March, I'm sure you remember. While I agree that in both cases it would have been better if the wrestlers decided it, in a way they kind of did. I'm one of those that think the stills show enough to give that ref the benefit of doubt in this call.

I do recall and I didn't like it then either.
I just think it must be incredibly egregious to make that call, especially late in a match.

 

[liex26]

I do recall and I didn't like it then either.
I just think it must be incredibly egregious to make that call, especially late in a match.

I hear ya. I just think if it gains an advantage (I believe it did both times) they have to call it.
I also think headgear for matches should be optional. Protect them during practice.

 

[PSUcup1]

I do recall and I didn't like it then either.
I just think it must be incredibly egregious to make that call, especially late in a match.

it directly led to Valencia's Take down in the match vs Mark last year

 

[JohnBasedow]

correct,,, the biggest difference in that match was he escaped from bottom

I also think he got a TD

Multiple takedowns actually. No idea how this next match will play out and I am probably stating the obvious but if he can stay strong underneath like the match in Carver then he has a chance, albeit a small one.

 

[RoarLions1]

Zain was sick, Cael said as much at the post match PC. Cael rarely makes an excuse.

I don't remember that. Coach said Zain was the toughest wrestler he's ever met (sorry, paraphrased a bit).

 

[RoarLions1]

Soooo...

Tech Fall least likely.
Decision, Major, or Fall equally likely?

 

[liex26]

Soooo...

Tech Fall least likely.
Decision, Major, or Fall equally likely?

Alright..... who hacked Roar's account?

 

[JohnBasedow]

Soooo...

Tech Fall least likely.
Decision, Major, or Fall equally likely?

My guess if Zain wins (unbiased of course) 50% dec, 25% MD, 25% fall.

 

[greenmanRD]

Sorensen wrestled a hell of a match in Carver-Hawkeye, and he would've beat the brakes off of anyone who wasn't a world team member the way he attacked that night. That said, we have 4 matches between these guys over the last two seasons, Zain has won the others by pin, major and a 4-0 decision.

The only time Sorensen has been close has been on his home mat, I don't expect him to be close on Saturday either.

 

[Cowbell Man]

I hear ya. I just think if it gains an advantage (I believe it did both times) they have to call it.
I also think headgear for matches should be optional. Protect them during practice.

NittanyChris, I don't actually follow. How does the lateness within the match have an affect on making the call? If the headgear was grabbed it was illegal and needs to be called. I can't tell in the Deakin Sorenson match from the grainy video but Sorensen's head took an unusual dive so I can only assume Chapman saw it. Hall's headgear was used against him last year and it had to be called....even if there are 5 seconds left. Should the clasped hands against Brown's Pitt opponent in the NCAA finals not be called because it was late and really not a big deal?

Here's what none of us like: Points that aren't called.....

As to Cenzo, that was BS simply because the headgear actually wasn't on and Chapman should have stopped the match 5 seconds before when the headgear was draped around the neck.

 

[liex26]

NittanyChris, I don't actually follow. How does the lateness within the match have an affect on making the call? If the headgear was grabbed it was illegal and needs to be called. I can't tell in the Deakin Sorenson match from the grainy video but Sorensen's head took an unusual dive so I can only assume Chapman saw it. Hall's headgear was used against him last year and it had to be called....even if there are 5 seconds left. Should the clasped hands against Brown's Pitt opponent in the NCAA finals not be called because it was late and really not a big deal?

Here's what none of us like: Points that aren't called.....

As to Cenzo, that was BS simply because the headgear actually wasn't on and Chapman should have stopped the match 5 seconds before when the headgear was draped around the neck.

And in that case, the review clearly showed it was already coming off. Terrible call there.

 

[RoarLions1]

My guess if Zain wins (unbiased of course) 50% dec, 25% MD, 25% fall.

I don't find your post biased at all. My guess is similar.

 

[nerfstate]

I don't remember that. Coach said Zain was the toughest wrestler he's ever met (sorry, paraphrased a bit).

If I recall correctly, In his post-match presser, he said something to the affect of "You can tell he wasn't 100%, then stopped before he said "cent" and went on to talk about his toughness." I said recently, you can hear when his media filter kicks in, and it did there. I also had heard from some "insiders" before the match that several guys were under the weather heading into that dual, FWIW.

That all said, Sorenson is a talented dude, and Zain has got to bring his A game. If he does, another fall is certainly within reach.

 

[RoarLions1]

If I recall correctly, In his post-match presser, he said something to the affect of "You can tell he wasn't 100%, then stopped before he said "cent" and went on to talk about his toughness." I said recently, you can hear when his media filter kicks in, and it did there. I also had heard from some "insiders" before the match that several guys were under the weather heading into that dual, FWIW.

That all said, Sorenson is a talented dude, and Zain has got to bring his A game. If he does, another fall is certainly within reach.

Not sure what to say, so I'll go with .

 

[El-Jefe]

NittanyChris, I don't actually follow. How does the lateness within the match have an affect on making the call? If the headgear was grabbed it was illegal and needs to be called. I can't tell in the Deakin Sorenson match from the grainy video but Sorensen's head took an unusual dive so I can only assume Chapman saw it. Hall's headgear was used against him last year and it had to be called....even if there are 5 seconds left. Should the clasped hands against Brown's Pitt opponent in the NCAA finals not be called because it was late and really not a big deal?

Or to use a recent example: Campbell shouldn't have been hit with his approximately 85th, 86th, and 87th stall calls vs. Sparty because the score was close late in the match?

 

[James Toney]

I got Zain by regular decision, though I hope he gets some bonus. Sorenson is a very talented guy who always comes to wrestle. That match they had at Carver last year was unreal. No excuses, they both were on the mat and he took it to Zain that night. They both showed amazing grit. In a weird way I kind of feel bad for him cause he could have possibly been a multiple time NC if Zain was not at 149.

 

[jrod9]

I don't remember that. Coach said Zain was the toughest wrestler he's ever met (sorry, paraphrased a bit).

He said both. Starts around the 2:39 mark.

 

[NittanyChris]

My point is this: There is an unwritten officiating rule, whether we like it or not. For example in football, a holding penalty that is callable in the first quarter is often not called late in the 4th quarter during a game deciding drive. Now, that is not to say it's NEVER called late in the game. If it is especially egregious and obvious and gives a substantial advantage that leads to a TD or huge play, then of course it is called. Deakin's infraction did not rise to that standard, IMO.

Stalling calls are a different matter entirely. They should be called late because that is when they are especially egregious and impacting the match even more.

 

[minnhawkeye]

I have lots of respect for all your studs they simply come to wrestle and most of them have been successful at their time wrestling.
Sorenson is one heck of a outstanding wrestler. If no injury or illness happens will be a 4 time AA...They don't come along every day..He lacks the speed of Zain and the mat wrestling..My guess will be a major to tech fall.

 

[purescurve]

I don't remember that. Coach said Zain was the toughest wrestler he's ever met (sorry, paraphrased a bit).

I remember it well.

 

[JohnBasedow]

My point is this: There is an unwritten officiating rule, whether we like it or not. For example in football, a holding penalty that is callable in the first quarter is often not called late in the 4th quarter during a game deciding drive. Now, that is not to say it's NEVER called late in the game. If it is especially egregious and obvious and gives a substantial advantage that leads to a TD or huge play, then of course it is called. Deakin's infraction did not rise to that standard, IMO.

Stalling calls are a different matter entirely. They should be called late because that is when they are especially egregious and impacting the match even more.

See this tweet. Better angle, obvious call. Nobody wants to win that way but to say it didn’t help Deakin get the leg is just false. It has to be called.