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[dawgduice]

Fansided has an article "10 annual games that would make college football season exponentially better". I fully expected to see "PSU vs Pitt.", nope
They had "PSU vs ND". I think that would be awsome !!!!

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

Fansided has an article "10 annual games that would make college football season exponentially better". I fully expected to see "PSU vs Pitt.", nope
They had "PSU vs ND". I think that would be awsome !!!!

SI never did think PSU-Pitt was a top shelf rivalry.

 

[fairgambit]

Fansided has an article "10 annual games that would make college football season exponentially better". I fully expected to see "PSU vs Pitt.", nope
They had "PSU vs ND". I think that would be awsome !!!!

Despite the lust for the game by many Pitt fans, and some here, it has very limited national interest. PSU/ND would definitely be a big game. So would PSU/Alabama, PSU/Texas, PSU/USC.....

 

[Ranger Dan]

I agree with the Big Ten's boycotting of games with ND, but I would love to see PSU and ND play again soon. Maybe it will happen in a bowl game sometime. I don't think that ND will be joining the Big Ten anytime soon...

 

[pandaczar12]

Fansided has an article "10 annual games that would make college football season exponentially better". I fully expected to see "PSU vs Pitt.", nope
They had "PSU vs ND". I think that would be awsome !!!!

It just proves the view of most on this board that Pitt, and a game with them, is irrelevant. I was curious, so here is the link:

http://fansided.com/2015/08/14/10-college-football-games-need-to-happen-annually/

Wow, even WVU/Marshall made the list over Pitt/PSU.

 

[Fayette_LION]

I agree with the Big Ten's boycotting of games with ND, but I would love to see PSU and ND play again soon. Maybe it will happen in a bowl game sometime. I don't think that ND will be joining the Big Ten anytime soon...

ND wants to remain independent, make them travel the globe to get games. B1G should not schedule any with ND, they can schedule the directional Michigan's and the Armed Forces Academies. Their arrogance is just too much to take.

 

[Lions8286]

I agree with the Big Ten's boycotting of games with ND, but I would love to see PSU and ND play again soon. Maybe it will happen in a bowl game sometime. I don't think that ND will be joining the Big Ten anytime soon...

Is there some type of unofficial boycott? I had not heard that. They have a B10 team on their schedule ALMOST every your as far out as they are published. Not being a jerk, just wondering if that was true.

 

[fairgambit]

Two of the biggest fan illusions in sports are:
1) Rutgers fans believing PSU/Rutgers is a rivalry. It is not. It never will be.
2) Pitt fans believing anyone outside Pennsylvania cares about a PSU/Pitt game. No one does. No one ever will.

 

[kgilbert78]

Is there some type of unofficial boycott? I had not heard that. They have a B10 team on their schedule ALMOST every your as far out as they are published. Not being a jerk, just wondering if that was true.

They have been dropped from/have dropped (depending on which fan bases you listen to) a number of their long-running Big 10 games recently to better schedule ACC teams. But the Big 10 teams they were playing were going to be forced into it too, due to the 9 conference game slate.

 

[Lions8286]

They have been dropped from/have dropped (depending on which fan bases you listen to) a number of their long-running Big 10 games recently to better schedule ACC teams. But the Big 10 teams they were playing were going to be forced into it too, due to the 9 conference game slate.

According to the future schedules posted on their rivals page though, there is a BIG team on their schedule nearly every year through 2025, with the only exception being 2019. I have a hunch there are very few teams that would turn down a 1:1 with ND.

 

[Howie'81]

I've felt for many years that PSU and ND should be an annual game. When we played them 12 straight years back in the 80s (PSU was 8 - 4 in those games by the way), there were some absolutely awesome games. These two teams playing each other regularly just feels right.

 

[Woodpecker]

ND wants to remain independent, make them travel the globe to get games. B1G should not schedule any with ND, they can schedule the directional Michigan's and the Armed Forces Academies. Their arrogance is just too much to take.

ND is an ACC team.

 

[lionroar88]

Two of the biggest fan illusions in sports are:
1) Rutgers fans believing PSU/Rutgers is a rivalry. It is not. It never will be.
2) Pitt fans believing anyone outside Pennsylvania cares about a PSU/Pitt game. No one does. No one ever will.

Correction on #2- "Pitt fans believing anyone outside Pennsylvania cares about Pitt. No one does. No one ever will."

ND is an ACC team.

In all sports EXCEPT........ Football.

 

[pmjoe]

ND is an ACC team.

In all sports EXCEPT........ Football.

Yeah, and a couple of years back they were in the Big East ... in all sports except football.

 

[Woodpecker]

Correction on #2- "Pitt fans believing anyone outside Pennsylvania cares about Pitt. No one does. No one ever will."



In all sports EXCEPT........ Football.

That's what they'd have you believe but the ACC is by far their most played conference foe. They are just trying to keep playing other non-ACC teams too and keep a "special" seat at the post-season table. The ACC will also say no to keep ND from cutting them out. It's a cushy deal but I'm not fooled by it.

 

[Ranger Dan]

unofficial boycott

Michigan is not off the ND schedule... it's just my observation, nothing "real"

 

[flameshockey26]

I would like to see ND back on our schedule. It would be an OOC team with a pulse even if they are overrated every year. A win against them would have to be considered a quality win when we get into contention for the playoff, simply because they are always a preseason top 20 team. Would most likely be a national televised game (unlike Pitt) and could do good for both schools when it comes to recruits. Much rather have them over Pitt. That being said I would much rather have Temple over Pitt.

 

[dawgduice]

I've felt for many years that PSU and ND should be an annual game. When we played them 12 straight years back in the 80s (PSU was 8 - 4 in those games by the way), there were some absolutely awesome games. These two teams playing each other regularly just feels right.

I recall that series fondly My neighbor was a huge ND fan. We always went "at it" EVERY year. One year my son and I covered his front yard and house with blue and white streamers and put a sign up on his lawn "Proud home of a PSU fan". Then we waited for him to come home, priceless ;-)
ND is a program, that for the most part does the right thing as we do, so it's kind of a love-hate relationship. Plus historically we recruit many of the same kids from the Northeast. AND that would put an end to the "creampuff" OOC.

 

[cpsevers1]

SI never did think PSU-Pitt was a top shelf rivalry.

I disagree. I do not have the reference, but in the early 80s SI did a cover story in which they cited Penn St-Pitt as CFB's most meaningful rivalry. Recall at that time our '78 and '82 seasons , T Dorsett, and D Marino. Both teams had won national championships in the preceding 5-10 years.

For those who attend games, Penn St-Pitt is fun. Play the game!!!

 

[bjf1984]

I disagree. I do not have the reference, but in the early 80s SI did a cover story in which they cited Penn St-Pitt as CFB's most meaningful rivalry. Recall at that time our '78 and '82 seasons , T Dorsett, and D Marino. Both teams had won national championships in the preceding 5-10 years.

For those who attend games, Penn St-Pitt is fun. Play the game!!!

Pitt-PSU had national relevance for about 8-10 years......when both teams were typically of "Top 10" caliber.

ANY matchup of "Top 10" caliber programs will have significance. The fact that it was PSU-Pitt had little to nothing to do with any national relevance.

Playing Pitt now.....a team with 30 years of mediocre to bad performance....would mean NOTHING on a national stage, and damn little to ANYONE outside of the dozens of PSU-hating Pitt fans.

That is all.

Thanks for stopping by.

 

[cpsevers1]

Pitt-PSU had national relevance for about 8-10 years......when both teams were typically of "Top 10" caliber.

ANY matchup of "Top 10" caliber programs will have significance. The fact that it was PSU-Pitt had little to nothing to do with any national relevance.

Playing Pitt now.....a team with 30 years of mediocre to bad performance....would mean NOTHING on a national stage, and damn little to ANYONE outside of the dozens of PSU-hating Pitt fans.

That is all.

Thanks for stopping by.

Stopping by? I rarely post but have been on this board and the Lions Den since the plotit.com days. I don't care to make any meaningful arguments pro/con the Penn St-Pitt game, but as someone who has had season tix at the Beav for 30+ yrs, I just comment that the Penn St-Pitt game is fun. And I'm from Eastern PA and have no hatred for Pitt.

 

[bjf1984]

Stopping by? I rarely post but have been on this board and the Lions Den since the plotit.com days. I don't care to make any meaningful arguments pro/con the Penn St-Pitt game, but as someone who has had season tix at the Beav for 30+ yrs, I just comment that the Penn St-Pitt game is fun. And I'm from Eastern PA and have no hatred for Pitt.

Mea Culpa - sensed a Pitt guy there.

Still, the idea of playing annual home-and-home with Pitt is - I think (and I believe most feel this way) - a flat-out road kill loser all the way around.

 

[gslachta]

ND wants to remain independent, make them travel the globe to get games. B1G should not schedule any with ND, they can schedule the directional Michigan's and the Armed Forces Academies. Their arrogance is just too much to take.

Amen. I would never schedule ND. Their arrogance is legion. The money is better in the BIG (unless I missed an NBC upgrade). I don't think they would fare all that well in the BIG unless they played Indiana and Purdue four times a year. Keep them in the ACC. (even they want them in rather than the current arrangement) Shouldn't help them by giving them highlight games that help their national image and recruiting in BIG markets.

 

[SEPATOPTEN]

Fansided has an article "10 annual games that would make college football season exponentially better". I fully expected to see "PSU vs Pitt.", nope
They had "PSU vs ND". I think that would be awsome !!!!

That would be a great game. Penn State and Notre Dame have had some great ones over the years. From 86 to 92 it was especially good.

 

[SEPATOPTEN]

Stopping by? I rarely post but have been on this board and the Lions Den since the plotit.com days. I don't care to make any meaningful arguments pro/con the Penn St-Pitt game, but as someone who has had season tix at the Beav for 30+ yrs, I just comment that the Penn St-Pitt game is fun. And I'm from Eastern PA and have no hatred for Pitt.

I also am an eastern Pa. guy and I share your view that the Penn St. - Pitt game is fun. That position is not going to get any traction here because almost all the posters are opposed to that notion. I am a 53 year old guy who watched this rivalry become one of the games that had National Title significance for almost a decade. I share your love for the rivalry and hope it gets to be an every year thing.

 

[N&B4PSU]

Fansided has an article "10 annual games that would make college football season exponentially better". I fully expected to see "PSU vs Pitt.", nope
They had "PSU vs ND". I think that would be awsome !!!!

Only 2 of those games make little sense.. WVU and Marshall (good game, but my CFB experience is not enhanced by it all that much)... and (for crying out loud) Whackers and Qwackers -- aka oregon and umd. umd gets clobbered every year by the ducks.. it'd be worthless. a pretty good argument can be made for the other 8. and nd-psu is a no brainer.

 

[Victor E. Bell]

 

[pandaczar12]

I also am an eastern Pa. guy and I share your view that the Penn St. - Pitt game is fun. That position is not going to get any traction here because almost all the posters are opposed to that notion. I am a 53 year old guy who watched this rivalry become one of the games that had National Title significance for almost a decade. I share your love for the rivalry and hope it gets to be an every year thing.

Almost a decade = maybe 6 years (1976-1981), out of 96 total games played.

 

[PSU-Knocker]

Penn St-Pitt is fun. Play the game!!!

NO!

 

[SEPATOPTEN]

Almost a decade = maybe 6 years (1976-1981), out of 96 total games played.

I think Pitt won in 83 and 84. I get your position and I just was commenting on why I like the series. The series has had 96 games played so it was a traditional game. It is no more so you win. I just like having a rival and miss it.

 

[Diego Badman]

I disagree. I do not have the reference, but in the early 80s SI did a cover story in which they cited Penn St-Pitt as CFB's most meaningful rivalry. Recall at that time our '78 and '82 seasons , T Dorsett, and D Marino. Both teams had won national championships in the preceding 5-10 years.

For those who attend games, Penn St-Pitt is fun. Play the game!!!

I believe it was "Sport" magazine that called it the best rivalry.

"Sport" was a pretty good magazine, but it was a monthly. I subscribed to it, and I was pretty much done in a couple of days.

Nothing, however, will top "The Sporting News" when it was in its old newspaper format. Great writing and great coverage of sports.

 

[pandaczar12]

I think Pitt won in 83 and 84. I get your position and I just was commenting on why I like the series. The series has had 96 games played so it was a traditional game. It is no more so you win. I just like having a rival and miss it.

83 was a 24-24 tie, 84 was a loss, but PSU was pretty bad that year at 6-5. It's not like Pitt put up the only loss that year.

Technically every team you play is a rival. The only difference with Pitt is that most of their fans are vile pieces of garbage, and playing them helps prop up their dying program. No thanks!

 

[SEPATOPTEN]

83 was a 24-24 tie, 84 was a loss, but PSU was pretty bad that year at 6-5. It's not like Pitt put up the only loss that year.

Technically every team you play is a rival. The only difference with Pitt is that most of their fans are vile pieces of garbage, and playing them helps prop up their dying program. No thanks!

It's fine that you don't want to play them. I certainly don't think that most of their fans are the things you called them. There are bad fans but the large majority are good people even if they root for Pitt.

 

[slwlion]

It's fine that you don't want to play them. I certainly don't think that most of their fans are the things you called them. There are bad fans but the large majority are good people even if they root for Pitt.

Good post. I also would like to see a Psu-Pitt game every year.. If we can schedule patsies like Buf and others, why not Pitt ?

 

[nits74]

It's fine that you don't want to play them. I certainly don't think that most of their fans are the things you called them. There are bad fans but the large majority are good people even if they root for Pitt.

Not saying I'd want to resume the rivalry, but I agree. I know many of them.

 

[Lattner]

ND is the ultimate in college football.
Monster draw, monster game, monster publicity.
Recruits look at schedules.

 

[kgilbert78]

Good post. I also would like to see a Psu-Pitt game every year.. If we can schedule patsies like Buf and others, why not Pitt ?

Because we don't have to play a return game at Buffalo. Simple economics.

If we were in the same conference, fine. But that ship sailed a looooong time ago. Both sides made their choices (I am not going to get into the "he said, she said" on that one, though I do have an opinion).

 

[pandaczar12]

It's fine that you don't want to play them. I certainly don't think that most of their fans are the things you called them. There are bad fans but the large majority are good people even if they root for Pitt.

This sounds like the words of someone who has never experienced the true nature of Pitt fans. Good people, people who spend the majority of their life being good people, can have bad moments. Even "good people" can be douche bags about a sports rivalry. It's easy to sit far away from Pittsburgh and have your selfish point of view. Think about those who are surrounded by Pitt fans, and have to live with them every day. Maybe for you it's just a game you watch for 3.5 hours a year.... some have to put up with Pitt fans constantly.

There are other pieces to my argument you've ignored in addition to their fans:

1) Technically every team you play is a rival.
2) The Pitt/PSU series was "good" for a very short time, ~6 years. Most recent Pitt victories came during down years for PSU.
3) Playing them helps prop up their dying program, and can only hurt PSU.

You need to consider all pieces, and not cherry pick one aspect to respond to.