Spread or Pro Style
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Based on who we have recruited at QB, it likely has to remain a spread/RPO instead of a traditional drop back game. If we recruited Dan Marino Jr or Ben Rothlithsberger Jr, then perhaps we could go back to pro style offense.
Why can't it be a combo?
Oh, this thread is about FOOTBALL. 
. At first, I thought we were talking about something else.
. At first, I thought we were talking about something else.Because you only have so much practice time and if you try to install an offense with 92,000 plays none of them will wind up working.
Oh, this thread is about FOOTBALL.
Pro-style onion dip?
because he hasnt defined what a spread offense is. Does he mean spread, as in we will go shotgun and spread them out. Or does he mean, a spread where you run a lot of option?
Me? I would like to use 1TE 1 RB as a base, with the QB under center at least 50% of the time. I would zone/area block 100% of the time on runs. Most of the pass game would come off play action and boot leg. and that's enough to get started
Be Alabama. Adapt to the talent you have. Don't try to put square pegs in round holes.
Nobody is Alabama. They can run any style with the talent they have.
That's fair but you have to acknowledge they do a great job adapting their offense to the players the have at that moment in time.
Seems they go through coordinators pretty regularly and keep winning, so I’m guessing it’s not the scheme:
Because they move on to bigger and better things typically which is what you want your coordinators to do. They still adapt. What their running with Tua isn't Locksley's MO. Lots of Enos in that scheme.
It’s easy to be a great coach or coordinator when your talent is way better than anyone else’s.
Then why do so many fail with superior talent? Why do guys like Pat Fitzgerald and Mike Leach consistently find ways to win with less talent? Bama's staff puts their players in a position to succeed. They get credit for that. Just like they get credit for brining in the right kids. Not every 5* or 4* kid hits. Their hit rate on those kids is exceptional. It's okay to give Saban and Bama credit. It doesn't mean you're attacking Franklin and our staff.
Name me someone who’s failed with Bama’s level of talent. And Fitzgerald is “successful” because expectations are lower. His results aren’t great unless compared to past NW results. Leach mainly folds like a lawn chair.
This...
It has to be a combo... you will get left in the dust if you go 100% "pro-style".
Initially I hated the power spread. To me it reduced traditional football to a gimmicky style of arena ball. Today I understand a coaches need to run this style of football. To recruit 5* offensive linemen, RB's and QB is beyond difficult, unless you're Alabama. I deliberately left out WR's because in a very successful Pro Set a quality TE or FB are just as important. As a matter of fact an athletic FB was a tremendous weapon in a pro set. A well coached team running a pro set offense loaded with 5* athletes is like watching the movement on a Rolex watch, a thing of beauty. On the flip side a Pro Set offense with average athletes is similar to watching a row boat stuck in quicksand (BORING).
Enter the spread. A brand of football that allows a coach to recruit good (not great, not big and not necessarily fast) athletes and win. I don't blame for Coach Franklin for running the spread, it gives Penn State the best chance to win now. However, to play in a NC he'll need to recruit athletes similar to that Clemson team that beat Alabama.
Enter the spread. A brand of football that allows a coach to recruit good (not great, not big and not necessarily fast) athletes and win. I don't blame for Coach Franklin for running the spread, it gives Penn State the best chance to win now. However, to play in a NC he'll need to recruit athletes similar to that Clemson team that beat Alabama.
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I have been thinking that having a mobile QB and an offense that keeps the defense guessing is important today. That said, I’m done with the RPO. Call a running play with either the RB or QB, call a pass play and let the QB scramble if he sees something. The primary role of the QB is to distribute the football, and the RPO puts O linemen at a huge disadvantage and the significant time in th3 “mesh point” seems prone to poor exchanges.
this is what worries me the most like how much are we going to run Tommy if he is the starter.
You’re finally starting to grasp the “Franklin Reality”.
For starters, Franklin (like Baron) is nothing more than a grossly overpaid “administrator”. PSU has talent on roster that regularly beats lower tier competition (and sometimes struggles vs. same). When pitted against equal or better competition, PSU loses.
Why? Because PSU Football Inc, from a coaching standpoint, is comprised of nothing other than a $4.5 million “Administrator” surrounded by Grade “C” and “D” support staff.
I mean, Nick Saben has failed as recently as 2017 with Alabama level talent. He has titles now but it’s not like that was given to him. Wasn’t Saben fired from the Dolphins and inherited a 6-7 Bama team?
Talent means a lot - but it is not everything - UCF beat Auburn with way less talent.
You would be shocked with how much Xs and Os play into Ws and Ls.
In an individual game sometimes the X’s and O’s make a difference, but over the course of a season or multiple seasons, it’s the talent. How many times do you think UCF would have won if they played 10 times? That’s why Saban may lose a game or two here and there, but his teams always have the best talent and he wins way more than he loses.
I met him a couple years back at OJ McDuffie's Catch-81 charity event. He was drunk off his ass, and needed help just to stand up from the golf cart so I could get a pic of my son with him.
Rich Rodriguez may not have invented the Spread but he certainly was one of its proponents. he said way back then that it was invented as a means of running an offense when you have minimal talent. It was meant to isolate a talented player in space so he could use skill to get yardage. RichRod simply did not have the physical studs up front to push people off the Line of scrimmage. Hence the spread. It works with a quarterback who makes the RPO function. It makes most use of minimal talent and puts different pressure on defense. Emphasis on speed rather than size although the players keep getting bigger and faster. Screen blocking rather than power.
Joe Pa once said he preferred a power I since it made the defense defend both sides of the field and not favor one or the other.
Joe Pa once said he preferred a power I since it made the defense defend both sides of the field and not favor one or the other.
We also have to be reasonable when comparing the two offenses. Today players are protected, a scrambling QB is gingerly tackled, 20 years ago a safety or a LB would knock him out of the game, even if it meant taking a penalty. A safety would annihilate wide receiver crossing the middle. A small QB like West Virginia's Pat White would not be able to endure a blind side helmet to helmet hit from a OLB. My point is that "some" of the power spreads success must be attributed to significant rule chanes to protect the players.
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I'd settle for allowing an experienced QB to audible at the LOS on his own and quickly getting the play off a few seconds later before the defense can adjust. Seems like stopping, looking to the sideline, changing the play, resetting, then snapping isn't very effective.
