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Would be great if they could fill their section before kickoff. Now get off my lawn!
Before the end of the first qtr? Wow, must be some type of modern day record for them.
Penn State has to address the issue at the gates. Having been to many sporting events in all leagues, all sports, all venue sizes, college/pro etc - I have never experienced anything like Beaver Stadium the last 2 games. No issue with the administration if they want to wand people, but they have to make the process more efficient. I was at Browns Stadium for first game after 9/11 and Beaver is much slower and more inconvenient.
There were a lot of people complaining about the gates. I saw a lot still trying to get to their seats after kickoff.
Interesting, you continue to blame the students when it has been clearly pointed out weekly that it is not the student's fault given the awful gate management at the Student Gates not only causing massive waits at the gates (over an hour), but clear a clear Safety Hazard at the Student Gates due to insufficient access and dangerous pressing at the gates from behind.
Interesting, you continue to blame the students when it has been clearly pointed out weekly that it is not the student's fault given the awful gate management at the Student Gates not only causing massive waits at the gates (over an hour), but clear a clear Safety Hazard at the Student Gates due to insufficient access and dangerous pressing at the gates from behind.
Yes they do but people also have to realize this is not the first game of the season, its been going on for all the games.
They really need to factor that into their departure time.
But they need to have more access points at the gates open and more people doing the "wanding".
And while I applaud the "security" I really wonder about it. The "kids" doing the wanding look like well kids. LOL.
I hear you wcicci, however.....
At the main NW gate next to the ticket office, it was a mob scene. As we walked up, I see the line well back behind the ticket office wall and down the sidewalk. This is around 6:15.
I made an about-face and told the boys with me, we are going to another gate. Walked past the line of ambulances, crossed the hill, back on the sidewalk (watched a drunk 40 -50 year old fall over a trash can) and went up the walk to the gate. This would be the first gate south of the ticket office.
Walked up, was wanded, and had the ticket scanned. Absolutely NOBODY in front of us.
If you are standing forever in one line, common sense tells me to try another gate.
As people made it to their seats with 7:00 remaining in the first quarter, I turned to my son behind me and said "these people need to plan better". Two rows behind him were the people who arrived at the 7:00 mark. She said they waited in line for 90 minutes. Sorry, but I put some of that on the fan for not going to another gate.
Just my $0.02.
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At the main NW gate next to the ticket office, it was a mob scene. As we walked up, I see the line well back behind the ticket office wall and down the sidewalk. This is around 6:15.
I made an about-face and told the boys with me, we are going to another gate. Walked past the line of ambulances, crossed the hill, back on the sidewalk (watched a drunk 40 -50 year old fall over a trash can) and went up the walk to the gate. This would be the first gate south of the ticket office.
Walked up, was wanded, and had the ticket scanned. Absolutely NOBODY in front of us.
If you are standing forever in one line, common sense tells me to try another gate.
As people made it to their seats with 7:00 remaining in the first quarter, I turned to my son behind me and said "these people need to plan better". Two rows behind him were the people who arrived at the 7:00 mark. She said they waited in line for 90 minutes. Sorry, but I put some of that on the fan for not going to another gate.
Just my $0.02.
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It is clearly an issue that is well beyond the capabilities of our streamlined, best-in-class, ICA administration.
Either that.......or in the Brave New World of PSU ICA.......ain't nobody give a damn.
(funny, I don't see any holdups - behind wand-waving homeless folks and meth addicts - to get into the Suites
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yeah, Midnighter is as total loon. He HATES PSU students, always has! And, our students have ALWAYS been on time. ALWAYS. Even back in the whale pants days, and especially on NOON starts.
Too funny, the OP was about the Student Section, people are crtical of the students (and blame their tardiness on them).......and then you post all these "solutions" that they could have employed NONE OF WHICH WAS AVAILABLE TO THE STUDENTS IN QUESTION. IOW, awesome post, another great "apologist" post for the hacks running PSU, way to stay "on topic"......LMFAO!
It is clearly an issue that is well beyond the capabilities of our streamlined, best-in-class, ICA administration.
Either that.......or in the Brave New World of PSU ICA.......ain't nobody give a damn.
(funny, I don't see any holdups - behind wand-waving homeless folks and meth addicts - to get into the Suites
How about the "apologists" for PSU's inept ICA Administration who post that "they should use other gates.....it's their fault for not using other gates....blah, blah, blah" when students ARE NOT PERMITTED TO USE OTHER GATES or any gate but Student Gates that routinely have 90 minute lines and massive Safety Hazards associated with them??? What incredible "on topic" posting.....LMFAO!
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OK....lets assume what you say to be correct - - - - - and I have no reason to believe it is not completely correct:
How would someone - unless they have been in the PSU "clusterf$ck" numerous times before - - - and had found the same solution that you did - - - - know that the situation would be any different at the other gates? And that by roaming around, they wouldn't just add even more time to their wait?
Or, if they are not someone who has a lot of experience with the Beaver Stadium process - how would they know that there wouldn't be an issue to go through a gate that is not the gate stated on their ticket?
Now - all that said - if what you say is indeed the case:
How much "genius power" would it take for ONE of the 37 Assistant-Associate-ADs - after this issue has been going on for YEARS - to say:
"Hey - we could have marquees at every gate.....showing the current estimated wait times at each gate....so that folks would know where they could get in the quickest"
Apparently - unless and until a $1,000,000 consultant is brought in - we don't have the "internal, stakeholder-focused, content-rich, outside-the-box, deliverable-generating intellectual capacities" to wizard out sh$t like that.
Plenty of simple solutions - - - or at least significant improvements - - - if:
A - We had one functioning brain among the Cabal of ICA Suits
and
B - Any of such "Brave New Worlders" gave a damn.
Given the current lineup empaneled by our feckless leader:
....Unfortunately.....we are probably SOL on both counts.
Now....if we have a malfunctioning bidet in the Suite Restrooms......we'll be on that in a flash!
[Cue PSUBlueBandNutBidetBoyEntourage on stage left
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I went to the game with 9 Iowa fans who got me a ticket thru the Iowa allotment as I am in the group of never another dime will the University get from me. We headed to gate D about 6:15PM, arrived about 6:25PM and it took us about 2 minutes to get thru security and into the stadium. The only negative was that one of the group who was wanded, had to leave her seat cushion at the gate because it had a zipper. When she came into the stadium and told me, I quickly checked to see if my pants were still on because they have,.....a zipper.
By the way I had an absolutely fantastic time in the stadium, but had to leave early for the first time ever with about 12 minutes left in the game because I was a passenger and did not want to walk from the stadium back to Altoona. Got to see Tommy Stevens run however.
That's part of the answer. There needs to be a larger area around the stadium with more people sending. Some people can't "just go to another gate". I was with someone with serious knee problems, she couldn't just keep walking to find thbest gate. They barricade the road between Park Ave and the entrance of Medlar. Why not make that area an extended ticket only area. Put in concession carts etc.
Then you'd bitch about how much money they spent on the signs with the estimated wait times, how said wait times were calculated and that they were incorrect, etc.OK....lets assume what you say to be correct - - - - - and I have no reason to believe it is not completely correct:
How would someone - unless they have been in the PSU "clusterf$ck" numerous times before - - - and had found the same solution that you did - - - - know that the situation would be any different at the other gates? And that by roaming around, they wouldn't just add even more time to their wait?
Or, if they are not someone who has a lot of experience with the Beaver Stadium process - how would they know that there wouldn't be an issue to go through a gate that is not the gate stated on their ticket?
Now - all that said - if what you say is indeed the case:
How much "genius power" would it take for ONE of the 37 Assistant-Associate-ADs - after this issue has been going on for YEARS - to say:
"Hey - we could have marquees at every gate.....showing the current estimated wait times at each gate....so that folks would know where they could get in the quickest"
Apparently - unless and until a $1,000,000 consultant is brought in - we don't have the "internal, stakeholder-focused, content-rich, outside-the-box, deliverable-generating intellectual capacities" to wizard out sh$t like that.
[Cue PSUBlueBandNutBidetBoyEntourage on stage left
But I'll give you points for actually suggesting a solution, instead of just bitching.
its a good thing we weren't playing the Akron Zips or it could have been a forfeit.
Some of the security people remind me of the skit on TV about the FAA people at the airports...power has gone to their heads. What about using common sense, people?
Honestly, its a combo of problems. The ticket situation at PSU is archaic and the school is trying to keep other people from using student tickets. There are plenty of great ways to ID students using bar codes and mobile phones.
But people can't show up at 7:15 for a 7:30 game when there are 107,000 people expected either.
Just wait till they see the lines for BLAKE SHELTON!
That's a huge exaggeration. Students have never waited in a 90 minute line, and the "safety hazards" certainly aren't "routine". The lines are two long and things need to become more efficient, but it isn't nearly as bad as you're trying to paint it.
The fan base is getting old. They're going to need to reduce capacity to put in Hoveround seating throughout the stadium.
I agree with you to a point. They need to either leave the house earlier or leave the tailgate sooner.
This is not the first game of the year and its been like this at certain gates all season.
One point I will disagree with you on is about finding another gate to go through. I've been a season ticket holder
since '98 (I think) and until yesterday I didn't know you could use any gate. Maybe thats on me but I can't blame first timers or visitors for not knowing that.
I was in line at approx 6:20 waited 5 min. and was in my seats to see the Fla game go off the big screen so that must have been around 6:45.
On a side note I've never had so many drunk visitors around me than this game. The Iowa fan sitting 2 people down from me
was so drunk that he tripped going out of the aisle (so he could go "re-fill" his cup) and then almost fell down the flight of stairs of row 72 NEU in the 4th quarter. He left shortly after. I really hope he had a designated driver. SMH.
OK....lets assume what you say to be correct - - - - - and I have no reason to believe it is not completely correct:
How would someone - unless they have been in the PSU "clusterf$ck" numerous times before - - - and had found the same solution that you did - - - - know that the situation would be any different at the other gates? And that by roaming around, they wouldn't just add even more time to their wait?
Or, if they are not someone who has a lot of experience with the Beaver Stadium process - how would they know that there wouldn't be an issue to go through a gate that is not the gate stated on their ticket?
Now - all that said - if what you say is indeed the case:
How much "genius power" would it take for ONE of the 37 Assistant-Associate-ADs - after this issue has been going on for YEARS - to say:
"Hey - we could have marquees at every gate.....showing the current estimated wait times at each gate....so that folks would know where they could get in the quickest"
Apparently - unless and until a $1,000,000 consultant is brought in - we don't have the "internal, stakeholder-focused, content-rich, outside-the-box, deliverable-generating intellectual capacities" to wizard out sh$t like that.
[Cue PSUBlueBandNutBidetBoyEntourage on stage left
Beyond that, anybody who has been to a game knows it is not that easy to just go from one gate to another - especially if you have any kind of health / mobility issues. The lines at Southwest and Southeast corners of the stadium (including the Student Gates) pour out all the way past Curtin Road and make passing through and around to the other side of the stadium, regardless of whether it is West side of stadium or East, very difficult, if not impossible if you aren't willing to fight your way through.
If you were trapped on Southeast side of stadium and were trying to circle around by going to North end and then coming back down to Southwest entrances......it would take you quite a bit of time and gates that weren't crowded could have become crowded (i.e., you may just be wasting your time). The people who blame it on PAYING CUSTOMERS are sadly typical of empty-suit bureaucrat apologists....
That is the same gate I use and had exactly the same experience.
I had 2 AAA batteries (for may radio), my carkeys and a mulittool (that I forgot about) in my pocket and not a blip.
So not sure how "secure" I should feel.
That is the same gate I use and had exactly the same experience.
I had 2 AAA batteries (for may radio), my carkeys and a mulittool (that I forgot about) in my pocket and not a blip.
So not sure how "secure" I should feel.
Ha! They couldn't even pick up my razor sharp wit!
Exactly what I was thinking about. Grew up in Boston. Experience walking into Fenway used to be a headache, long before security issues. Now they check you in like an airport, but it's smooth b/c they expanded the area. Create a cool "beer garden " on that side of they stadium. Can't bring beer into game, but have an hour when people can have a drink after scanning ticket. Watch Gameday/PSU Story/end of early game on big screen! Have to think someone would sponsor that.
Sometimes I wish that I was a pitt fan. Just think. They have no wait times to get into the stadium at all. They can get tickets anytime they want for ~$5 a ticket. They have no problem getting home after a game. By the last game this year they might be able to drive their cars into Heinz and park along the sidelines. Being a pitt fan has its advantages.
Couldn't have happened, "Erial_Lion" says it isn't so......LMFAO!
Hopefully some day, you'll come to understand the difference between 40 and 90.
Hopefully some day, you'll come to understand the difference between the General Admission Gates and the Student Gates (as it has been pointed out incessantly that the lines at the Student Gates are twice as long as the General Admission Gates due to the fact there are so few Student Gates AND the students have no choice but to use these gates regardless of the condition of wait times as these limited gates are the only ones they're permitted to use.).
You're defense of the indefensible and the arrogant bureaucrats who have refused to address it despite it being their job AND instead attempting to shift blame to the paying customers (including students) is rather telling about you. Typically, in the "real world" people don't pay higher and higher amounts for crappier and degraded service levels especially when management is routinely informed of the problems and just chosen to ignore the complaints as a "solution".
They are kids. They rely so much on college students that I wonder how they are going to pull off the concert. The many of the security people are from colleges around the state. The police auxiliary that direct traffic are all students. Many of the vendors and concession stand are student groups. They have student groups cleaning the stadium after the game.
The number of student lines is proportional to the rest of the stadium (actually a bit higher). You don't seem to get that concept. And I can assure you that the student lines aren't "twice as long" as the lines at the public gates that have been experiencing issues.
There are major issues with the gates that need to be solved. But spinning tales about 90 minutes lines and acting like there is no way for a student to avoid mass chaos is pretty disengenuous.
Problems with the wanding:
1) It accomplishes no security benefit. You take all your stuff out of your pockets (and contents of said pockets is never inspected) only to wand from your knees to your back. Yeah, real effective
2) It causes large throngs of densely packed people waiting to get in. Huge security risk
3) The wanding is done at the same place as the scanning. Just logistically inefficient
If they insist on these security facades just to try to convince us we are safer, they need to make a sterile zone around the stadium (like the airports) with 10-20 wanding stations. This way you separate the two bottlenecks and you can have more people wanding.
1) It accomplishes no security benefit. You take all your stuff out of your pockets (and contents of said pockets is never inspected) only to wand from your knees to your back. Yeah, real effective
2) It causes large throngs of densely packed people waiting to get in. Huge security risk
3) The wanding is done at the same place as the scanning. Just logistically inefficient
If they insist on these security facades just to try to convince us we are safer, they need to make a sterile zone around the stadium (like the airports) with 10-20 wanding stations. This way you separate the two bottlenecks and you can have more people wanding.
I think they could even accomplish this with just a "sterile zone" at each gate that has more wands in use than the current system funneling people into the zone before tickets are scanned.
And I agree on the effectiveness. It's only as good as the training, and I was told by an officer that watched the training before the first game that it consisted of disinterested college kids (the majority of the Landmark staff) getting a 3 minute crash course on how to use the wands.
