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Suriano TOM's college wrestler of the week

Agree, well-deserved. Posted in another thread too, worth repeating...

For those that listened to Cody's interview with Jeff after the Match...he put Nick's accomplishments in perspective...

TRUE freshman.
1st Big Ten AWAY Dual weekend.
vs #5 and #7 wrestlers.
Walks away with 2 hard-fought wins.

Think about this accomplishment. Doesn't get any better than that...btw, the match call and interview is available On Demand at GoPSUSports.com.
 
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Path to the 3-seed looks really good. Wins over Gonser, Cruz, Lizak, and Lambert. Root against Josh Rod this weekend! Potential match ups against Mueller or Dance. I think they are in Virginia's pool, so maybe Mueller for sure.
 
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papa_ed said:
My vote for second would be Nick Nevills, heck of a weekend for both Nicks.
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Yes. Nick Nevills is now a BEAST on a mission....Hugh match for Nick S. coming up in Iowa against Gilman...I think Nick beats him. If not in Iowa in big tens and Nationals....He is that good....
 
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spyker said:
Yes. Nick Nevills is now a BEAST on a mission....Hugh match for Nick S. coming up in Iowa against Gilman...I think Nick beats him. If not in Iowa in big tens and Nationals....He is that good....
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I don't doubt that Nick is good, but so is Gilman. Beating him will be a tall task.

I've heard the idea from others that Nick might not beat him at the dual but would catch up to him at B1Gs or nationals. I would point out that the Retherford/Stieber and Nolf/IMar histories suggest just the opposite.
 
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Beating Gilman does you no good unless you beat him twice or Mueller beats Dance.
 
I'm expecting Gilman to beat Suriano in CHA, and everything will be okay when it happens.
 
I'll just say that we have had some really good/great performances by true freshman (Nico, Zain and Morgan) but to think that he is keeping up and may end up having a stronger season is phenomenal and something I didn't anticipate
 
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CholleyVandine said:
I've heard the idea from others that Nick might not beat him at the dual but would catch up to him at B1Gs or nationals. I would point out that the Retherford/Stieber and Nolf/IMar histories suggest just the opposite.
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Those are different scenarios. Gilman has never won a title and Stieber won 4. Imar is 2/2 on championships so far. I'm not putting Gilman anywhere near the other 2. He's a lot more "human". Suriano has some things to work on after this past weekend, but I'm pretty sure he is the kind of kid who will use the experience as fuel to improve. And the key thing is - he won those matches. He didn't have to lose to learn a lesson or two.
 
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Those are different scenarios. ilman has never won a title and Stieber won 4. Imar is 2/2 on championships so far. I'm not putting Gilman anywhere near the other 2. He's a lot more "human". Suriano has some things to work on after this past weekend, but I'm pretty sure he is the kind of kid who will use the experience as fuel to improve. And the key thing is - he won those matches. He didn't have to lose to learn a lesson or two.
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So because Gilman is not as good as Stieber or IMar, Suriano is more likely to lose to him at the dual meet? I don't understand the logic.
 
CholleyVandine said:
So because Gilman is not as good as Stieber or IMar, Suriano is more likely to lose to him at the dual meet? I don't understand the logic.
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Opposite. I don't think a win over Gilman in BIGs or NCAAs is unlikely. Imar and Stieber are on a different level than Gilman. Dual, who knows - but I think Suriano will "grow" more over the remainder of the season than will Gilman.
 
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I think it could be noted that Iowa is a bit better during regular season duals than they are at recent NCAA tournaments. Recent history suggests PSU is the opposite. Add in the fact that CHA will feature very "Iowa friendly" officiating from start to finish, but the BIG and NCAA will not. I always expect Iowa to be the biggest home mat advantage because of large crowds,loud crowds, and weak knee officials who let the crowd officiate the match.

All that said....I still believe Gilman wins the title because he is simply a fantastic and very seasoned college wrestler. Nick is a fantastic college wrestler minus the seasoning. i've been wrong before. I say 10-4 Gilman in dual. 8-5 Gilman in BIG. 7-6 Gilman at NCAA. Close but no cigar.
 
JPWIII-solid logic, I lean with you. Just curious though, how is that 10 from Gilman scored? Do you see Nick getting ridden and turned or is that 4 TD's for Gilman, 1 escape from a choice at the start of a period and the second escape because Nick gets a takedown?

I can't wait for this match.

One aspect I think Nick has already shown some seasoning is his patience in getting his shot and comfort in not forcing things on O. Now that does allow for closer matches and less margin for error but he seems to already know his comfort zone.
 
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James P. Whitters III said:
I think it could be noted that Iowa is a bit better during regular season duals than they are at recent NCAA tournaments. Recent history suggests PSU is the opposite. Add in the fact that CHA will feature very "Iowa friendly" officiating from start to finish, but the BIG and NCAA will not. I always expect Iowa to be the biggest home mat advantage because of large crowds,loud crowds, and weak knee officials who let the crowd officiate the match.

All that said....I still believe Gilman wins the title because he is simply a fantastic and very seasoned college wrestler. Nick is a fantastic college wrestler minus the seasoning. i've been wrong before. I say 10-4 Gilman in dual. 8-5 Gilman in BIG. 7-6 Gilman at NCAA. Close but no cigar.
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I, too, pick Gilman to win for the reasons you noted, especially in the dual.
That said, I think it highly unlikely that anyone will score 10 points on Suriano. He is just too solid defensively for that to happen.
 
LOL here you go.

period #1- takedown Gilman escape nick. BS stall warning on Nick 2-1
Period #2- Gilman goes down. Escape Giman. Takedown gilman. Escape Nick. 5-2
Pwriod #3- Escape Nick, Stall point Gilman,Stall point Gilman,td Gilman,esc. Nick 9-4
Riding time Gilman 1:06 10-4 final.

Big you subtract the stall points and throw in a takedown for Nick.

NCAA skip the stall and add another takedown for Nick. Closing the gap.
 
Period #1 - TD2 Suriano off the whistle, E1 Gilman. TD2 Gilman. FM Gilman to end the period, warning against Gilman. 3-2 Gilman.
Period #2 - Gilman down. E1 Gilman. 4-2 Gilman.
Period #3 - Suriano down. E1 Suriano, TD2 Suriano. 5-5 (Riding time Gilman)
SV - Suriano TD2. Penalty point against Iowa corner, 8-5 Suriano Final.
 
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Cannot see Suriano giving up 3 TDs.

On the 20th, call it Gilman 4-2.

After that...who knows?
 
Maybe our Hawk friends can confirm this: I don't believe Gilman has ever given up 3 takedowns in any single match. I know none of the national champs he faced have done it -- Nico, Tomasello, Delgado, Garrett. Terao didn't do it this year. And as far as I can tell, the rest of his matches where he gave up 6+ points were of the 21-6 blowout variety.

So I don't know why we should think Suriano would score 3 takedowns.

That matchup has a 3-2 type score written all over it.
 
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Time will tell. Win or lose, young Mr. Suriano will learn something about himself every time he hits the mat. I'm a believer that 4 or 5 year college muscle is an advantage, yet we see exceptions everyday. I also believe, for some wrestlers, the 4 or 5 year beating their body takes is a factor. Again, there's exceptions. Agree with El-Jefe's 3-2 type match.
 
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I don't believe Gilman has ever given up 3 takedowns in any single match.
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you may be correct. he's rarely given up 6 points in a match throughout his career. The times he did, I think were mostly situations where he cut his opponent multiple times to rack up bonus points.

He did give up 8 points to Alan Waters in the 3/4 match at the 2015 NCAAs. I believe Waters got 3 escs, 1 TD, 2 NF, and 1 RT to account for his 8 points (Gilman had 2 TDs to Waters' 1, but Gilman lost the match).
 
El-Jefe said:
Maybe our Hawk friends can confirm this: I don't believe Gilman has ever given up 3 takedowns in any single match. I know none of the national champs he faced have done it -- Nico, Tomasello, Delgado, Garrett. Terao didn't do it this year. And as far as I can tell, the rest of his matches where he gave up 6+ points were of the 21-6 blowout variety.

So I don't know why we should think Suriano would score 3 takedowns.

That matchup has a 3-2 type score written all over it.
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He got smoked his true Freshman year at Midlands by Nathan Kraisser. Score was something like 12-4.
 
I think Nick will need to score to hang with Gilman. Gilman has really become a relentless wrestler on his feet. He is doing all the right things according to his coaches, and I simply have a ton of respect for his talent and work ethic. I think Gilman gets a bad report for some of his antics (often deserved), but you have to admire his skill and work ethic. I love watching him compete and he is very deserving of the admiration the Iowa fan base has for him. I also think way too much is made of the face mushing,etc. People other than Gilman have done worse many times. Off the soapbox.
 
James P. Whitters III said:
I think Nick will need to score to hang with Gilman. Gilman has really become a relentless wrestler on his feet. He is doing all the right things according to his coaches, and I simply have a ton of respect for his talent and work ethic. I think Gilman gets a bad report for some of his antics (often deserved), but you have to admire his skill and work ethic. I love watching him compete and he is very deserving of the admiration the Iowa fan base has for him. I also think way too much is made of the face mushing,etc. People other than Gilman have done worse many times. Off the soapbox.
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Wuh-oh, here come the Iowa guys with their "face smush" defense.
 
NittanyChris said:
Just rewatched Nico knock off Gilman for the title! Never gets old!

We Are!!!
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the worst part of switching cable providers was losing that NCAAs. my son and i probably watched that match 20-30 times.

Now we watch the whisky game...but only the 2nd half
 
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James P. Whitters III said:
I think it could be noted that Iowa is a bit better during regular season duals than they are at recent NCAA tournaments. Recent history suggests PSU is the opposite. Add in the fact that CHA will feature very "Iowa friendly" officiating from start to finish, but the BIG and NCAA will not. I always expect Iowa to be the biggest home mat advantage because of large crowds,loud crowds, and weak knee officials who let the crowd officiate the match.

All that said....I still believe Gilman wins the title because he is simply a fantastic and very seasoned college wrestler. Nick is a fantastic college wrestler minus the seasoning. i've been wrong before. I say 10-4 Gilman in dual. 8-5 Gilman in BIG. 7-6 Gilman at NCAA. Close but no cigar.
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I say Nick will beat him.....You would understand why if you watch Nick and Nico go at it !!!!
 
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