Considering my previous post, it may appear that I am changing my position on the season. Not really. However, I know that with all the technology working on this virus, something dramatic might happen treatment-wise. If so, would the Big Ten be flexible enough to modify its position? Thoughts please. Hold the sarcasm.
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Could they? Sure
Will they? Probably not. Probably easier for them to simply regroup and focus on the Spring
No idea how this would affect getting stadium support for games. Would imagine each individual program would have to deal with that.
Will they? Probably not. Probably easier for them to simply regroup and focus on the Spring
No idea how this would affect getting stadium support for games. Would imagine each individual program would have to deal with that.
I don't think they will modify the position no matter what at this point. I think they jumped the gun a bit considering how many European soccer leagues finished up, along with the MLS, NBA, MLB, and the NHL all keeping somewhat isolated and holding tournaments or finishing their seasons. Not sure how you cancel the season but have students back on campus and don't come off hypocritical, but that appears to be the plan.
I think the only way a season happens is if fans are allowed at 100% capacity safely. They couldn't pass that money up.
what was your last post? should I be following you? What position are you or are you not changing?
I agree with what @LaJolla Lion said. They kind of painted themselves in a corner at this point. If they wanted to leave any chance whatsoever to play the season, they shouldn't have cancelled it, they should have done what CJF suggested and delay and wait to see what happens. I think this is one of those situations where they made their decision and there's no going back.
which leads me to another question. If they are indeed going to have students on campus, and the vast majority of the consensus is that football is safer than open campus's (kind of common sense right?) was there a hidden agenda to "pushing football to the spring" (cancelling it)? It all just doesn't sit right with me. I can understand cancelling it for liability and whatnot, i'm not arguing that. but the blatant hypocrisy comes off as "we're gonna make a decision, because we have the power to do so, and no one can question us". it's like if you have kids and tell one kid he can't play with a certain toy, then let the other kid play with the toy, and when the first kid asks you why they can't but the other kid can, you say "because I said so" knowing that the kid can't do a thing about it. Hubris?
Somehow, some way, it’s about money. The only way to get 12 out of 14 university bigwigs to agree on anything is money.
Maybe they promised to split up Penn State’s forfeited bowl money to all schools in the B10 except PSU. Of course Penn State’s brilliant empty suit el presidente went along with it because he was afraid the other schools might cut him out of the salad bar.
This cancellation was more focused on the players organizing than the red herring of player health. While the health issue was part of the equation, the fear of organization stopped the big ten and pac 12. These were the two conferences where players were far more vocal than the other 3. While I think this will build a stronger case for the players, it bought the conferences more time to react. I share this not just as my opinion but of some information that was shared with me from a PSU individual. Take it as you want.
IMO there has to be a change in the national mindset before things can get back to normal. I wouldn't be surprised to see 50,000 deaths next year even with a vaccine and improved therapeutics. Would the country support 100,000 people in a stadium under those circumstances?
Forget about spring. That was kinda like 15 days to flatten the curve that lingers on at 120 days. Think frog in the pot of water. They are boiling us slowly.
Especially since they are allowing practices to continue. What was the purpose of cancelling instead of delaying. Makes you wonder
there isn't a major breakthrough going to happen in the next 4 weeks to allow the Big Ten to play this year, not going to happen. I still don't understand what they think will be different 5 months from now as if you are saying zero risk is the line to cross, that won't happen until a vaccine is administered to the country which best case might even put the 2021 season in jeopardy.
No idea. All I know is they are allowing it to continue so there is no "health and well being " issue right now.
People still get the flu even after a vaccine. The zero risk crowd is dreaming.
This schedule could work in the PAC-12, but Jan/Feb games in State College, and especially the Upper Midwest, would be miserable.
This does seem very hypocritical - they cancel football but allow students back - makes zero sense if they are pushing the health risk angle. If it's a liability issue that is a wild card - how can you ever prove where and when you were exposed but on the flip side how can you prove it wasn't at a game or practice. And as mentioned games in the winter will suck but I doubt there will be fans there anyway. As for the vaccine - I doubt it will ever be 100% effective but we seem to have developed zero tolerance for the risk from COVID so not sure where we go from here except to hope it goes away at some point which it might like H1N1 (Swine Flu).
They could play indoors like CJF had proposed. Three domes with a 12 noon and 7 pm game each. Figure two teams either play Friday night or Have the week off. Leave enough time to clean between and after games. NFL May use the stadiums part of the time (except Detroit cuz they are terrible).
Not sure about revenue vs expense in this scenario but that would eliminate the weather issue during game time.
I am assuming fans still won’t be attending games.
Influenza mutates. People don't get flu strains that they have been inoculated against. Each year, researchers identify the 3 most likely flu strains and the vaccine is made to protect against those. If they guess wrong, more people die. If they guess right, some people who have been inoculated will still get sick (and some will die) from other strains.
If COVID doesn't mutate, a vaccine could work. If it mutates and remains just as virulent and deadly, then it's time to open back up and let natural selection play out.
That makes sense. No idea what they are thinking, but if no fans, then location doesn't matter
January 1st makes no sense. I thought the virus was going to be a bigger problem in the winter when everyone is indoors. That’s not even addressing the issues with weather in the northern part of the country and it’s effect on travel and logistics.
I think it becoming clear that the decision to postpone the fall season had very little to do with our current state of medical knowledge and was based almost exclusively on what the lawyers are saying regarding liability.
I say this based on the fact that the medical advisors for other conferences are saying that football can be played safely. It is not as if they are looking at different science than the Big 10/Pac12 doctors.
I would not characterize the ACC as "football crazy" but their doctors are convinced it can be done.
https://www.espn.com/college-footba...football-season-played-safely?linkId=96791114
I thought for awhile it was medical concern over myocarditis, but then I did some research on this and am not sure why that would be a big enough concern to shut things down.
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/11w/...n-to-cancel-fall-sports-perhaps-unnecessarily
I say this based on the fact that the medical advisors for other conferences are saying that football can be played safely. It is not as if they are looking at different science than the Big 10/Pac12 doctors.
I would not characterize the ACC as "football crazy" but their doctors are convinced it can be done.
https://www.espn.com/college-footba...football-season-played-safely?linkId=96791114
I thought for awhile it was medical concern over myocarditis, but then I did some research on this and am not sure why that would be a big enough concern to shut things down.
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/11w/...n-to-cancel-fall-sports-perhaps-unnecessarily
Thanks, wasn't aware that was how it works. This is not the first corona virus obviously. What about the others, have they mutated?
Well it was meant as the collective us, not you and I, however if you think for a minute we will have spring football I would suggest you are sitting in the water feeling comfortable as the flame goes up.
Somewhat related, but while Franklin obviously was standing up for his current players and playing to recruits with his stance to do everything possible to play this fall, I’d like to think that he was, in small part at least, saying “F*ck you” to the b1g. He knows that the b1g f*cked Penn State.
Possible, but I think that ship has sailed - kids are wising up to their “minor league” status, and it’s likely not long before they are employees rather than students.
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Not - To me California is exhibit A. They did a great job for 2 1/2 months with very low infections/hospitalizations and deaths. Then the sxxt hit the fan. How long are you suggesting we needed to stay shut down?
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