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The 34-year old ESPN reporter that died

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I wonder if this was actually COVID-19? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/12/24/media/espn-reporter-dies-trnd/index.html

I firmly believe that it has been here since the end of last calendar year. To not get into specifics, I had a friend who was gravely ill last December with a disease the doctors couldn't identify but figured it was some type of pneumonia. Once he got ill, it quickly spread through his family and workplace and here's the kicker: He still has shortness of breath and lung capacity issues. He lives in central PA.
 
I wonder if this was actually COVID-19? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/12/24/media/espn-reporter-dies-trnd/index.html

I firmly believe that it has been here since the end of last calendar year. To not get into specifics, I had a friend who was gravely ill last December with a disease the doctors couldn't identify but figured it was some type of pneumonia. Once he got ill, it quickly spread through his family and workplace and here's the kicker: He still has shortness of breath and lung capacity issues. He lives in central PA.
Anything is possible, but this virus is so infectious that I think you would likely have seen a big spike some time ago if it was here in November.
 
Anything is possible, but this virus is so infectious that I think you would likely have seen a big spike some time ago if it was here in November.
Who's to say that we haven't? It just wasn't broadcast. I am a very healthy individual who only gets sick once every handful of years, and felt pretty bad in January but fought through it. I wonder
 
I had an unbelievable flu in Jan. Worst ever. Tested positive for Type A flu. Is it possible to test positive for a flu strain if the underlying virus is Covid 19?
 
Who's to say that we haven't? It just wasn't broadcast. I am a very healthy individual who only gets sick once every handful of years, and felt pretty bad in January but fought through it. I wonder
It wasn't broadcast? That's what this virus does. I think you need to read about it more.
It is far, far more likely that you and others got another virus.
 
I wonder if this was actually COVID-19? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/12/24/media/espn-reporter-dies-trnd/index.html

I firmly believe that it has been here since the end of last calendar year. To not get into specifics, I had a friend who was gravely ill last December with a disease the doctors couldn't identify but figured it was some type of pneumonia. Once he got ill, it quickly spread through his family and workplace and here's the kicker: He still has shortness of breath and lung capacity issues. He lives in central PA.

Not long ago, another poster was on here with this hypothesis about the reporter ... the poster was Columbus_Lion.

He, too, decided to waste time promoting this "conspiracy theory" type speculation, rather than do the basic research on the subject matter, which would have quickly uncovered that the reporter had cancer.

So, I'm guessing some nutter source is feeding you guys this speculation, and that you didn't both independently think up this connection between the coronavirus being around, and this reporter dying ... so, which crazy conspiracy place are you guys getting your info from?

Or, are you the promoter of said nonsense posting under another alias?

https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threa...after-opening-down.262043/page-2#post-4718777
 
Not long ago, another poster was on here with this hypothesis about the reporter ... the poster was Columbus_Lion.

He, too, decided to waste time promoting this "conspiracy theory" type speculation, rather than do the basic research on the subject matter, which would have quickly uncovered that the reporter had cancer.

So, I'm guessing some nutter source is feeding you guys this speculation, and that you didn't both independently think up this connection between the coronavirus being around, and this reporter dying ... so, which crazy conspiracy place are you guys getting your info from?

Or, are you the promoter of said nonsense posting under another alias?

https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threa...after-opening-down.262043/page-2#post-4718777

It's a Chinese propaganda infection (pun intended) - almost as contagious as the Chinese Wuhan COVID-19 virus.
 
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Not long ago, another poster was on here with this hypothesis about the reporter ... the poster was Columbus_Lion.

He, too, decided to waste time promoting this "conspiracy theory" type speculation, rather than do the basic research on the subject matter, which would have quickly uncovered that the reporter had cancer.

So, I'm guessing some nutter source is feeding you guys this speculation, and that you didn't both independently think up this connection between the coronavirus being around, and this reporter dying ... so, which crazy conspiracy place are you guys getting your info from?

Or, are you the promoter of said nonsense posting under another alias?

https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threa...after-opening-down.262043/page-2#post-4718777
Nowhere? I didn't know about the cancer. It's not a big deal. I'm still pretty certain that COVID-19 has been here since late December, though... And I'm certainly not a conspiracy theorist
 
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Nowhere? I didn't know about the cancer. It's not a big deal. I'm still pretty certain that COVID-19 has been here since late December, though... And I'm certainly not a conspiracy theorist

That's not even close to a 'conspiracy'. Late December was when China finally admitted it was exploding there. And there's no way they were in a hurry to announce the problem. And there's also no way that China was the only place it existed by that point.
 
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If it was here at the end of last year, you would have known -- people would have been dying in significant numbers, which tends to get people's attention.

There is at least one bad chest cold out there. My wife had a dry cough for close to six weeks.

One thing to know - lungs are very slow to heal, especially in older people. Even if you have mild pneumonia or bronchitis, it can take months for your lungs to get back to normal.

So just a bad cold - even though the virus is gone from your body, you can still have sore lungs 2 months later.


I wonder if this was actually COVID-19? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/12/24/media/espn-reporter-dies-trnd/index.html

I firmly believe that it has been here since the end of last calendar year. To not get into specifics, I had a friend who was gravely ill last December with a disease the doctors couldn't identify but figured it was some type of pneumonia. Once he got ill, it quickly spread through his family and workplace and here's the kicker: He still has shortness of breath and lung capacity issues. He lives in central PA.
 
If it was here at the end of last year, you would have known -- people would have been dying in significant numbers, which tends to get people's attention.

There is at least one bad chest cold out there. My wife had a dry cough for close to six weeks.

One thing to know - lungs are very slow to heal, especially in older people. Even if you have mild pneumonia or bronchitis, it can take months for your lungs to get back to normal.

So just a bad cold - even though the virus is gone from your body, you can still have sore lungs 2 months later.
My friend is 30... Not an older person
 
If it was here at the end of last year, you would have known -- people would have been dying in significant numbers, which tends to get people's attention.

There is at least one bad chest cold out there. My wife had a dry cough for close to six weeks.

One thing to know - lungs are very slow to heal, especially in older people. Even if you have mild pneumonia or bronchitis, it can take months for your lungs to get back to normal.

So just a bad cold - even though the virus is gone from your body, you can still have sore lungs 2 months later.


10,000 Americans died from the flu between January 1 and Feb, 5. Maybe a hundred were erroneously included-misdiagnosed in that number??
 
10,000 Americans died from the flu between January 1 and Feb, 5. Maybe a hundred were erroneously included-misdiagnosed in that number??

Not possible. Our gov't and media are omnipotent. It could not have started one instant before they told us it was a problem.
 
I had an unbelievable flu in Jan. Worst ever. Tested positive for Type A flu. Is it possible to test positive for a flu strain if the underlying virus is Covid 19?
I read an article the other day and I can't find the damn thing now. The guy said that Influenza and Corona and quite different. His way of describing it was that they are as related as dogs are to cats. I dont think the flu virus would show positive if it were Corona
 
I have heard a lot of people n various talk radio claim they have had this prior. I think that the CDC should take blood samples from a 1000 people that think they may have had it in Jan. They could test for antibodies specific for this.

One good thing is that is they find a significant number of people who had it earlier, they could use their plasma as a source of antibodies to use treating those seriously ill with it.
 
I have heard a lot of people n various talk radio claim they have had this prior. I think that the CDC should take blood samples from a 1000 people that think they may have had it in Jan. They could test for antibodies specific for this.

One good thing is that is they find a significant number of people who had it earlier, they could use their plasma as a source of antibodies to use treating those seriously ill with it.
Yeah I'm not buying that at all. This outbreak would have happened then.
 
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That's not even close to a 'conspiracy'. Late December was when China finally admitted it was exploding there. And there's no way they were in a hurry to announce the problem. And there's also no way that China was the only place it existed by that point.

People dying from a mystery virus and no one reporting on it (healthcare industry, media, etc.)? Conspiracy.
 
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And how do you know that it didn't? Most people who die from this are 80+ and have other problems to begin with.

People who are under 80 die from this, as well ... and how would that have not turned up, somewhere, that there were "unexplained" causes of death with folks exhibiting X, Y and Z as symptoms?

And, if it were here months earlier, it would completely blow up the current dispersal pattern/rate we're seeing.
 
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People who are under 80 die from this, as well ... and how would that have not turned up, somewhere, that there were "unexplained" causes of death with folks exhibiting X, Y and Z as symptoms?

And, if it were here months earlier, it would completely blow up the current dispersal pattern/rate we're seeing.

Unless it was here and then recently mutated into something worse.

Sorry, with the number of H1B visas we have working here from China, and U.S. people doing business in China, there is just no way that the virus did not make it here almost as soon as it started.
 
10,000 Americans died from the flu between January 1 and Feb, 5. Maybe a hundred were erroneously included-misdiagnosed in that number??

10,000 deaths in a month? Why wasn’t a national emergency declared?
 
https://amgreatness.com/2020/03/19/dangerous-curves/
If you weren’t very ill in late January or February, you probably know someone who was. The complaints often sounded the same: A fever for days, a stubborn and unusual-sounding cough, a persistent sore throat—the severity of the symptoms seemed worse than the usual influenza.

Doctors, assuming it was a version of the seasonal flu, administered flu-fighting drugs without testing. (My college daughter was very sick with the same symptoms; her flu test was negative.) Plenty of afflicted Americans just stayed in bed without ever seeing a physician.
Obviously, anecdotal evidence that the COVID-19 illness has been around for at least the past few months isn’t enough to make the case that there’s a chance the worst days of the outbreak are behind, not ahead, of us. But data from the Centers for Disease Control seems to support the possibility that the country has been besieged by the novel coronavirus since the start of 2020.

And while political leaders and medical experts push for more and more draconian measures to “flatten the curve,” it raises some questions. Are we looking at the right “curve?” And how accurate is the current curve if it doesn’t include possible cases before the height of the hysteria began in late February and early March?

The curve, according to one report, “refers to the projected number of people who will contract COVID-19 over a period of time.” To date, the novel coronavirus curve undoubtedly looks ominous. Only a smattering of coronavirus cases was reported in the U.S. during January and February; that figure jumped at the beginning of March due to testing availability.


The first known American victim, a Washington resident who had traveled back from Wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak, was confirmed on January 21. The U.S. coronavirus graph basically flatlines from that date until the last few days of February.

But since the disease originated in China in December at the latest, it’s highly unlikely the number of reported cases in the United States between January 1 and late February is accurate. (It’s important to note that in its order prohibiting most noncitizens from entering the United States from China, the White House confirmed that an average of 14,000 people per day traveled between the two countries in 2019. That means tens of thousands of potentially infected people entered the country for weeks prior to the travel stop.)

Therefore, how could a highly-contagious virus remain nonexistent in a free-moving society for several weeks?


The answer is, it probably did not. The CDC tracks a category called “influenza-like illness,” or ILI. Since symptoms of the flu and coronavirus are very similar, it’s instructive to look at this data, which is based on visits to health care providers in all 50 states, Washington D.C. and Puerto Rico. “For this system, ILI is defined as fever (temperature of 100°F or greater) and a cough and/or a sore throat,” reads the CDC webpage on influenza-like illness.

“What influenza-like illness is saying to us is that you have a virus likely affecting your respiratory system that is making you feel crummy and, currently aside from influenza, there aren’t good therapies for these other viruses, so we just treat the symptoms,” Dr. Michael Ison, a professor of infectious diseases at Northwestern University in Chicago, told WebMD.com in January. The underlying cause could be any number of undetected respiratory viruses.

During the week of January 18, 2020, the number of people complaining of ILI started to spike dramatically. That week, nearly 90,000 Americans visited a health care provider with ILI symptoms; by the following week, that figure jumped to more than 107,000. For the next two weeks, into mid-February, the number stayed about the same. And that doesn’t include people with symptoms who didn’t see a doctor.

During the same period, testing for influenza A and B also spiked. Positive tests for both flu strains began to climb during late January and plateaued in mid-February before declining. At its peak, about 20,000 people per week were diagnosed with influenza—but it also represented a positive rate of around 30 percent. That means lots of people were tested for the flu, had flu-like symptoms, but did not have the flu.

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Now, again, one can dismiss those figures as the usual discrepancies in any given flu season. But another CDC chart shows that, with the exception of the highly virulent 2017-2018 flu season, this year’s measurement of ILI reports from January 1 until mid-February is the second-highest in the past decade. Then, from the third week of February until now, nationwide reports of influenza-like illness surpassed the 2017-2018 season and now have leveled off.

ILI10_small.gif


Again, that too could be written off as a fluke and unrelated to coronavirus. But the CDC acknowledges a connection between coronavirus and reports of influenza-like illnesses: “Clinical laboratory data remain elevated but decreased for the fourth week in a row while ILI activity increased slightly. The largest increases in ILI activity occurred in areas of the country where COVID-19 is most prevalent. More people may be seeking care for respiratory illness than usual at this time.”

So to recap: The current coronavirus “curve” cannot be accurate since it does not include suspected cases of the illness before late February. (It’s unclear why scientists have not yet produced any models that attempt to calculate the virus’ presence here until testing was available.) A big increase in symptoms very similar to coronavirus occurred a few weeks after the first case was recorded, a timeline in accordance with the estimated trajectory of the illness’ spread. And roughly 70 percent of those expressing flu-like symptoms did not have the flu. So what was it?

It’s not unreasonable, in fact, it’s necessary and responsible, to consider that COVID-19 has been in the states since the first of the year; that people suffering similar symptoms to the flu actually had COVID-19; and that the peak of the outbreak occurred last month. The number of people now testing positive for the virus does not mean that the outbreak is accelerating because the data is incomplete.

That’s not the only concern about the veracity of data related to the transmission, spread, and fatality rate of the disease. Experts are cautioning that the available data is not sound and should not be used to justify draconian government measures now enacted at the federal, state, and local levels at a tremendous cost.

“The data collected so far on how many people are infected and how the epidemic is evolving are utterly unreliable,” Dr. John Ioannidis, a professor of medicine and epidemiology at Stanford University, wrote this week. “Given the limited testing to date, some deaths and probably the vast majority of infections due to SARS-CoV-2 [the virus that causes COVID-19] are being missed. We don’t know if we are failing to capture infections by a factor of three or 300.”


The encouraging news, for now at least, is that the coronavirus does not appear to be as deadly as the seasonal flu in terms of sheer numbers. Based on CDC estimates—again, important to note that even the detection of influenza-caused hospitalizations and deaths is not an exact science—between 36 and 52 million Americans have contracted the flu since last October and anywhere between 22,000 and 55,000 have died.

While the number of detected coronavirus cases continues to rise due to widespread testing, about 150 people reportedly have died from the infection. Nearly half lived in the state of Washington; many states are reporting single-digit fatalities. Further, hospitals are not yet overrun with coronavirus patients and, according to the CDC, hospitalizations this year due to the flu “is lower than end-of-season total hospitalization estimates for any season since CDC began making these estimates.” Good news if indeed the number of coronavirus sufferers requiring hospitalization actually materializes.

This is a dangerous time and not just because of the threat of a treatable disease. Americans are willingly surrendering to government their freedom, their livelihood, their long-term economic security, and their mental well-being over unjustified panic about a virus that might have already spread and now is abating. If this is the new normal, where incomplete data and media-fueled panic rule the day, that is an even more frightening prospect than what’s happening right now.
 
It wasn't broadcast? That's what this virus does. I think you need to read about it more.
It is far, far more likely that you and others got another virus.
Well, the CDC tracks both H1 and H3 (flu) viruses annually. The number of H3's are typically in the 1,000's... over the past 6+ months the numbers haven't exceeded 271. [In truth, I'm not sure if it was per month or per week.]

This is what I've been told and later this evening (well, it's already 1:00am) I'll be having a look at these so-called oddities.

But if it is accurate, one really needs to address how the H3 suddenly disappeared at virtually the same time 19 came into play.

But i'll see. The bottom line is that since the numbers are provided by the cdc, we'll know if it's an issue or not.
 
I had an unbelievable flu in Jan. Worst ever. Tested positive for Type A flu. Is it possible to test positive for a flu strain if the underlying virus is Covid 19?
I got sick in November.....sick to my stomach briefly......sweats chills sinus throat (lost my voice basically for 10 days) and then into lungs. Started penicillin antibiotic and steroid on third day. Progress from that was slow. Was either in bed or under a blanket on the couch for 2 weeks. No way I could have gone to work.
 
Yeah I'm not buying that at all. This outbreak would have happened then.

Unless it was here and then recently mutated into something worse.

Sorry, with the number of H1B visas we have working here from China, and U.S. people doing business in China, there is just no way that the virus did not make it here almost as soon as it started.

https://amgreatness.com/2020/03/19/dangerous-curves/
If you weren’t very ill in late January or February, you probably know someone who was. The complaints often sounded the same: A fever for days, a stubborn and unusual-sounding cough, a persistent sore throat—the severity of the symptoms seemed worse than the usual influenza.

Doctors, assuming it was a version of the seasonal flu, administered flu-fighting drugs without testing. (My college daughter was very sick with the same symptoms; her flu test was negative.) Plenty of afflicted Americans just stayed in bed without ever seeing a physician.
Obviously, anecdotal evidence that the COVID-19 illness has been around for at least the past few months isn’t enough to make the case that there’s a chance the worst days of the outbreak are behind, not ahead, of us. But data from the Centers for Disease Control seems to support the possibility that the country has been besieged by the novel coronavirus since the start of 2020.

And while political leaders and medical experts push for more and more draconian measures to “flatten the curve,” it raises some questions. Are we looking at the right “curve?” And how accurate is the current curve if it doesn’t include possible cases before the height of the hysteria began in late February and early March?

The curve, according to one report, “refers to the projected number of people who will contract COVID-19 over a period of time.” To date, the novel coronavirus curve undoubtedly looks ominous. Only a smattering of coronavirus cases was reported in the U.S. during January and February; that figure jumped at the beginning of March due to testing availability.


The first known American victim, a Washington resident who had traveled back from Wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak, was confirmed on January 21. The U.S. coronavirus graph basically flatlines from that date until the last few days of February.

But since the disease originated in China in December at the latest, it’s highly unlikely the number of reported cases in the United States between January 1 and late February is accurate. (It’s important to note that in its order prohibiting most noncitizens from entering the United States from China, the White House confirmed that an average of 14,000 people per day traveled between the two countries in 2019. That means tens of thousands of potentially infected people entered the country for weeks prior to the travel stop.)

Therefore, how could a highly-contagious virus remain nonexistent in a free-moving society for several weeks?


The answer is, it probably did not. The CDC tracks a category called “influenza-like illness,” or ILI. Since symptoms of the flu and coronavirus are very similar, it’s instructive to look at this data, which is based on visits to health care providers in all 50 states, Washington D.C. and Puerto Rico. “For this system, ILI is defined as fever (temperature of 100°F or greater) and a cough and/or a sore throat,” reads the CDC webpage on influenza-like illness.

“What influenza-like illness is saying to us is that you have a virus likely affecting your respiratory system that is making you feel crummy and, currently aside from influenza, there aren’t good therapies for these other viruses, so we just treat the symptoms,” Dr. Michael Ison, a professor of infectious diseases at Northwestern University in Chicago, told WebMD.com in January. The underlying cause could be any number of undetected respiratory viruses.

During the week of January 18, 2020, the number of people complaining of ILI started to spike dramatically. That week, nearly 90,000 Americans visited a health care provider with ILI symptoms; by the following week, that figure jumped to more than 107,000. For the next two weeks, into mid-February, the number stayed about the same. And that doesn’t include people with symptoms who didn’t see a doctor.

During the same period, testing for influenza A and B also spiked. Positive tests for both flu strains began to climb during late January and plateaued in mid-February before declining. At its peak, about 20,000 people per week were diagnosed with influenza—but it also represented a positive rate of around 30 percent. That means lots of people were tested for the flu, had flu-like symptoms, but did not have the flu.

WHONPHL10_small.gif



Now, again, one can dismiss those figures as the usual discrepancies in any given flu season. But another CDC chart shows that, with the exception of the highly virulent 2017-2018 flu season, this year’s measurement of ILI reports from January 1 until mid-February is the second-highest in the past decade. Then, from the third week of February until now, nationwide reports of influenza-like illness surpassed the 2017-2018 season and now have leveled off.

ILI10_small.gif


Again, that too could be written off as a fluke and unrelated to coronavirus. But the CDC acknowledges a connection between coronavirus and reports of influenza-like illnesses: “Clinical laboratory data remain elevated but decreased for the fourth week in a row while ILI activity increased slightly. The largest increases in ILI activity occurred in areas of the country where COVID-19 is most prevalent. More people may be seeking care for respiratory illness than usual at this time.”

So to recap: The current coronavirus “curve” cannot be accurate since it does not include suspected cases of the illness before late February. (It’s unclear why scientists have not yet produced any models that attempt to calculate the virus’ presence here until testing was available.) A big increase in symptoms very similar to coronavirus occurred a few weeks after the first case was recorded, a timeline in accordance with the estimated trajectory of the illness’ spread. And roughly 70 percent of those expressing flu-like symptoms did not have the flu. So what was it?

It’s not unreasonable, in fact, it’s necessary and responsible, to consider that COVID-19 has been in the states since the first of the year; that people suffering similar symptoms to the flu actually had COVID-19; and that the peak of the outbreak occurred last month. The number of people now testing positive for the virus does not mean that the outbreak is accelerating because the data is incomplete.

That’s not the only concern about the veracity of data related to the transmission, spread, and fatality rate of the disease. Experts are cautioning that the available data is not sound and should not be used to justify draconian government measures now enacted at the federal, state, and local levels at a tremendous cost.

“The data collected so far on how many people are infected and how the epidemic is evolving are utterly unreliable,” Dr. John Ioannidis, a professor of medicine and epidemiology at Stanford University, wrote this week. “Given the limited testing to date, some deaths and probably the vast majority of infections due to SARS-CoV-2 [the virus that causes COVID-19] are being missed. We don’t know if we are failing to capture infections by a factor of three or 300.”


The encouraging news, for now at least, is that the coronavirus does not appear to be as deadly as the seasonal flu in terms of sheer numbers. Based on CDC estimates—again, important to note that even the detection of influenza-caused hospitalizations and deaths is not an exact science—between 36 and 52 million Americans have contracted the flu since last October and anywhere between 22,000 and 55,000 have died.

While the number of detected coronavirus cases continues to rise due to widespread testing, about 150 people reportedly have died from the infection. Nearly half lived in the state of Washington; many states are reporting single-digit fatalities. Further, hospitals are not yet overrun with coronavirus patients and, according to the CDC, hospitalizations this year due to the flu “is lower than end-of-season total hospitalization estimates for any season since CDC began making these estimates.” Good news if indeed the number of coronavirus sufferers requiring hospitalization actually materializes.

This is a dangerous time and not just because of the threat of a treatable disease. Americans are willingly surrendering to government their freedom, their livelihood, their long-term economic security, and their mental well-being over unjustified panic about a virus that might have already spread and now is abating. If this is the new normal, where incomplete data and media-fueled panic rule the day, that is an even more frightening prospect than what’s happening right now.

Excellent article. Thats pretty much what I have been thinking, and posting here, for weeks. But this has the data and research that I was lacking. This article deserves its own thread instead of being buried in a different thread.
 
I wonder if this was actually COVID-19? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/12/24/media/espn-reporter-dies-trnd/index.html

I firmly believe that it has been here since the end of last calendar year. To not get into specifics, I had a friend who was gravely ill last December with a disease the doctors couldn't identify but figured it was some type of pneumonia. Once he got ill, it quickly spread through his family and workplace and here's the kicker: He still has shortness of breath and lung capacity issues. He lives in central PA.
If it was here back then, far more than 10% of people would be testing positive in PA right now.
 
If it was here back then, far more than 10% of people would be testing positive in PA right now.
Remember, only .005% of Pennsylvania has been tested so far, for example. I think that the sample is too small and limited to draw any conclusions from yet
 
Remember, only .005% of Pennsylvania has been tested so far, for example. I think that the sample is too small and limited to draw any conclusions from yet
Yet you've firmly drawn conclusions that the virus has been here since 2019 based on limited anecdotal evidence.
 
And how do you know that it didn't? Most people who die from this are 80+ and have other problems to begin with.
People are confusing someone having the virus as being equivalent to someone being diagnosed / confirmed with the virus...theoretically they are related but they are not even close to being the same thing.
 
Yet you've firmly drawn conclusions that the virus has been here since 2019 based on limited anecdotal evidence.
If even a few ppl had the virus in the US, it was still here in the US... Sorry to say, but no matter how anecdotal it is, it would still prove the virus existed in the US at the time. I'm sure that there are lots of people outside of my limited circle with similar experiences, btw
 
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