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The Dollars and Sense of Renovating Beaver Stadium: A National Roadmap

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The Dollars and Sense of Renovating Beaver Stadium: A National Roadmap

by Mike Poorman on March 05, 2017 10:30 PM



Beaver Stadium at night.
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Next Monday afternoon we'll know the long-anticipated long-term fate of Beaver Stadium.

That's when Penn State plans to release its Facilities Master Plan.

The plan will cover all of Penn State's athletic facilities, but the crown jewel of the report -- and PSU sports overall -- is Beaver Stadium.

Built in 1960 at a cost of $1.6 million, while repurposing over 1,000 tons of steel from New Beaver Field that was moved by train tracks from nearby Rec Hall to its present location, Beaver Stadium is likely to get the bulk of attention when Penn State's 20-year plan is released to the public next week.

For good reason:

Beaver Stadium is the cash register that runs Penn State's athletics. According to its 2015-16 budget, as submitted to the NCAA and recently released, the biggest chunk of Penn State Intercollegiate Athletics' revenue came from football ticket sales.

(See the report to the NCAA, all 76 pages of it, by clicking here.)

To be exact, $31,399,691 of the $132.25 million generated by PSU sports last fiscal year came from 2015 football ticket sales. That's almost 24%. More than alumni and booster donations ($26 million), more than media rights ($22 million), and more than licensing, royalties and sponsorships ($12.7 million). That's pure football ticket sales, not even counting donations made just for the right, ostensibly, to buy tickets.

We already know that Penn State is going to renovate, not rebuild, Beaver Stadium. Fixing -- and fixing up -- the stadium won't be cheap. Based on what has been spent on renovating and constructing stadiums for elite college football programs over the past decade, the price tag for upgrading Penn State football's home field and stadium could be stunning. A half-billion dollars wouldn't be surprising.

The gold standard for stadium renovations is Texas A&M's Kyle Field, which was completed -- and almost completely redone -- over 18 months to the tune of $485 million. Remember that number. Nearly 90% of the stadium was new, by the time construction was completed. Its 102,000 seats were sold out in 18 minutes.

The company that engineered the A&M total makeover was Populous, the same firm that is behind Penn State's master plan. Former PSU linebacker Scott Radecic is a principal of Populous. He was the lead for Penn State's last $100 million re-do of Beaver Stadium back in 2001, when Radecic was with HOK. It won't be that cheap this time around, that's for sure.






THE GOING RATE

Here's a look at recent price tags for college football stadium renovations:

$485 million -- Kyle Field, Texas A&M, completed in 2015.

$400 million -- Notre Dame Stadium, Notre Dame. Termed the "Campus Crossroads Project," it is slated to include a new student center, space for its anthropology, psychology and music departments, as well as premium seating and suites, to be completed in 2017.

$321 million -- Memorial Stadium, University of Cal-Berkley, completed in 2012. Current Penn State athletic director Sandy Barbour was AD at Cal at that time and oversaw the project, complicated by the fact the stadium was situated on a fault line and required a seismic retrofit, and was hindered time- and publicity-wise by tree-sitters who protested the project.

$285 million -- Husky Stadium, University of Washington, completed in 2013.

$268 million -- Sun Devil Stadium, Arizona State, ongoing.

$226 million -- Michigan Stadium, University of Michigan, completed in 2010. (That's about $260 million in today's dollars.)

$164 million -- Amon J. Carter Stadium, Texas Christian University, completed in 2012.

$160 million -- Gaylord Family Oklahoma Memorial Stadium, University of Oklahoma, completed in 2016. (The stadium co-namesakes gave over $50 million to the university, some of it earmarked for stadium improvements).

$150 million -- Camp Randall Stadium, University of Wisconsin. According to Wisconsin's master plan, released in January 2017, the cost to renovate Camp Randall, based on three different options, could range from $39.6 million to $150 million.

$132 million -- Memorial Stadium, University of Illinois, to be completed by 2020.

$63.5 million -- Memorial Stadium, University of Nebraska, completed in 2013.

$42 million -- Ohio Stadium, Ohio State University, to be completed by 2020.






PENN STATE HAS ITS PHIL

As mentioned above, Barbour is experienced at stadium reconstructions. (Watch a time lapse of the construction at Cal here.) Her deputy athletic athletic director and chief operating officer, Phil Esten, oversaw the construction of a brand-new on-campus stadium at the University of Minnesota. As associate athletic director at Minnesota, Esten was the point person for the $300 million TCF Bank Stadium, which opened in 2009. Esten played a key role in securing funding for about $90 million in individual and corporate support.

For her part, funding the stadium renovation at Cal was much more complicated for Barbour, as the university faced a debt load of over $450 million following the stadium expansion and a corresponding $153 million student athletic center.

The sources of funding for any renovation of Beaver Stadium are likely to be multi-faceted. At Texas A&M, the funding was broken down this way: $232 million in seat license revenue, $75 million in student ticket revenue and fees, $18 million in a facilities access agreement, $35 million that was undisclosed and $125 million from the school's booster club, the 12th Man Foundation.

Penn State hopes to pay for at least some of the renovations by maximizing the football game day experience at Beaver Stadium -- meaning everything from suites with grills, open-ended "social setting areas" and possibly premium alcohol sales. According to the aforementioned 2015-2016 budget submitted to the NCAA, Penn State made $5.3 million from football-related novelty, program, parking and concession sales in 2015-16.

In addition, look for Penn State to make much greater use of a renovated Beaver Stadium than just eight times a year -- the Blue-White Game and seven regular season games.

That actually begins later this year, on Saturday, July 8. That's when Blake Shelton and the "Happy Valley Jam" will take the stage for the first-ever concert in Beaver Stadium. (Arts Festival begins July 13.) Managed and promoted by Basis Entertainment, the concert features ticket prices from $31 (obstructed view) to $209. Basis promoted a Blake Shelton concert at Iowa's Kinnick Stadium last August, which included an appearance by Ashton Kutcher, and had an announced attendance of more than 45,000.

Penn State has indicated that it hopes to host outdoor NHL games, like the one at Pittsburgh's Heinz Field in late February between the Pittsburgh Penguins and Philadelphia Flyers, which drew 67,318. The current stumbling block, Penn State officials have said, is that Beaver Stadium is not weatherized. Temperatures in Pittsburgh were in the 70s a few days before the game, although it was 36 degrees for opening face-off.

(Which brings to mind two of the most wintery and non-weatherized games I ever attended in Beaver Stadium: the Nov. 21, 1987, contest between Penn State and Notre Dame, won 21-20 by the Nittany Lions in 25 mph winds and minus 20 degree wind chill conditions, and the Nov. 18, 1995 Snow Bowl, when 18 inches of snow was dumped on Happy Valley three days before the Penn State-Michigan game. Inmates from Rockview helped shovel out the stadium and about 80,000 fans were bused in from satellite lots.)

SOCCER, GOLF AND...

New revenue opportunities will likely be under the purview of Esten and Michael Cross, who in 2015 was hired by Penn State an as assistant athletic director for new business development. Cross, who was the athletic director at Bradley University for five years, is "charged with identifying new business and revenue generation opportunities, engaging with various constituencies within the Penn State communities and intercollegiate athletics."

In the future, Beaver Stadium could host state high school football playoffs, big-time soccer friendlies -- Michigan Stadium drew 109,318 and made $3 million for a Manchester U-Real Madrid game in 2014 --and even stadium golf, which has been all the rage at Petco Park in San Diego the past two years.

The golf idea is no laughing matter -- night-time tee times went for $450 for a twosome and $900 for a foursome, as over 2,700 golfers played the The Links at Petco at last year. (The White Course is 20 bucks...if you walk.)
 
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If Kyle Field holds 102,000 there is absolute no reason why PSU should be considering reducing the seating capacity of Beaver Stadium. If they were to upgrade The Beav on the level of Kyle Field it would be sold-out every game. The State also needs to address upgrading many of the hiways around State College as well.
 
College football is a giant bubble right now that will eventually explode.

Has anyone noticed how much student attendance has continued to decline all over the country, especially at tradition rich programs? That's the future season ticket base for these programs.

The students show up late, leave early, and if you aren't a 10+ game winner your coach is a moron and the team isn't worth your time.

The idea of a 100k stadium for Penn State football within 20 years will seem laughable.

As the diehards who go to every game or most games who went to school in the late 60's through the 70's begin to give up their tickets because they physically can't do it anymore, there is going to be a major void that won't be filled.

It's already a story, but over the next 15 years
You are going to see crippling drop offs in attendance and I'll bet anything on it.
 
In addition to the sell to the "elite" fan, I liked the referral to A&M's "unique core values" while the video flashes Manzell.

I understand the need for suites and big donors, but having sat in my seats in the north bleachers and in the Mt Nittany club seats in the south stands, I prefer the atmosphere in the bleachers.
Did you see the size of that statue? A little foreshadowing, perhaps?
 
College football is a giant bubble right now that will eventually explode.

Has anyone noticed how much student attendance has continued to decline all over the country, especially at tradition rich programs? That's the future season ticket base for these programs.

The students show up late, leave early, and if you aren't a 10+ game winner your coach is a moron and the team isn't worth your time.

The idea of a 100k stadium for Penn State football within 20 years will seem laughable.

As the diehards who go to every game or most games who went to school in the late 60's through the 70's begin to give up their tickets because they physically can't do it anymore, there is going to be a major void that won't be filled.

It's already a story, but over the next 15 years
You are going to see crippling drop offs in attendance and I'll bet anything on it.

I agree but I think you're exaggerating it a bit. Even in your example you leave out the folks who are from the 80s, 90s, and 2000s who can and will replace them; just look at this year, what 4K more season tickets sold? And the student ticket system and entrance issues need to be addressed immediately.

The product on the field is better, a lost generation of fans is returning, and if they make it more about the experience like at Kyle Field, the people will come.
 
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College football is a giant bubble right now that will eventually explode.

Has anyone noticed how much student attendance has continued to decline all over the country, especially at tradition rich programs? That's the future season ticket base for these programs.

The students show up late, leave early, and if you aren't a 10+ game winner your coach is a moron and the team isn't worth your time.

The idea of a 100k stadium for Penn State football within 20 years will seem laughable.

As the diehards who go to every game or most games who went to school in the late 60's through the 70's begin to give up their tickets because they physically can't do it anymore, there is going to be a major void that won't be filled.

It's already a story, but over the next 15 years
You are going to see crippling drop offs in attendance and I'll bet anything on it.
add to all that the crippling student loan debt that too many new graduates are carrying- they aren't going to be buying anything much that they don't really need because they won't have money

spending hundreds of millions of dollars on this is insane- which won't stop it, because the pigs are already lining up at the trough
 
Too bad we don't have a local pro team to share a stadium and facilities with. Spartan weight rooms and seeing pros seem to do it for some Pitt recruits.

Anyone have an over/under going on with facility renovation?
 
I agree but I think you're exaggerating it a bit. Even in your example you leave out the folks who are from the 80s, 90s, and 2000s who can and will replace them; just look at this year, what 4K more season tickets sold? And the student ticket system and entrance issues need to be addressed immediately.

The product on the field is better, a lost generation of fans is returning, and if they make it more about the experience like at Kyle Field, the people will come.

Those season ticket sales are as misleading as Chambers' overall record.

The people who bought those tickets 6 months ago probably wanted to fire Franklin. Those sales to me are nothing more than a temporary dead cat bounce and a knee jerk reaction to a euphoric season and sky high expectations next season.

The people who bought those seats didn't sign a life time contract and how loyal will they be the next time we are 7-5 again?

Look at the history books, Paterno didn't win 10 games very year, but the emotional attachment and loyalty to the program that used to exist is dead.

When the season ticket holders from the 60's and 70's give up their seats, the last 35 years of graduates won't come close to filling that void.

It's a different world.
 
This season ticket sale drop off will then be exaggerated by people who give up their tickets because the secondary market is now flooded with tickets and there is no reason to waste all that money on tickets donations when you can go to the games you want for not even face value in many cases.

Beaver Stadium will have a major over supply problem that will have all kinds of consequences.

That we are going to spend half a billion on that stadium is absokuteky insane. Throwing good money after bad.

Unless there are structural issues that have to be addressed, any additional money spent building around a 100k stadium over the next 15 years would be foolish when in 15 years nothing more than 70k makes sense.
 
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Those season ticket sales are as misleading as Chambers' overall record.

The people who bought those tickets 6 months ago probably wanted to fire Franklin. Those sales to me are nothing more than a temporary dead cat bounce and a knee jerk reaction to a euphoric season and sky high expectations next season.

The people who bought those seats didn't sign a life time contract and how loyal will they be the next time we are 7-5 again?

Look at the history books, Paterno didn't win 10 games very year, but the emotional attachment and loyalty to the program that used to exist is dead.

When the season ticket holders from the 60's and 70's give up their seats, the last 35 years of graduates won't come close to filling that void.

It's a different world.

Well some of us are loyal to the program and not just one man or some nostalgic time that won't ever return.
 
The Patriots kept Gillette at 68,000 to keep ticket prices high. They have over 40,000 on the waiting list for tickets. The NFL and especially fantasy football gets all of the attention with the 20 and 30 something year olds in New England. Penn St is "the" standard bearer for the Northeast and reading that your students either don't show up or leave early (especially with the best 2nd half team in football) is disheartening as a college football fan. I think the increase in ticket prices and parking fees is a big cause while incomes have remained flat.
 
The Patriots kept Gillette at 68,000 to keep ticket prices high. They have over 40,000 on the waiting list for tickets. The NFL and especially fantasy football gets all of the attention with the 20 and 30 something year olds in New England. Penn St is "the" standard bearer for the Northeast and reading that your students either don't show up or leave early (especially with the best 2nd half team in football) is disheartening as a college football fan. I think the increase in ticket prices and parking fees is a big cause while incomes have remained flat.

The NFL is an entirely different animal IMHO. And there is a ton of student support (look at our brand-new hockey program, sells out every game). The issue with the students is the way they enter the stadium and the totalitarian way they can resell their tickets. It's a joke. Student tickets sell out in like 40 minutes every year.
 
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Well some of us are loyal to the program and not just one man or some nostalgic time that won't ever return.
PSU will NEVER again have the consistent, reliable, projectable stream of ticket (and fee) $$$ that they enjoyed for 30 years.

The introduction of STEP guaranteed that - far more impactful than W/L records / panini availability / modernization of restrooms / how loud the PA system is, etc etc etc

Subsequent actions - that have all basically screamed "We don't give a flying f$ck about the proletariat"..... have only exacerbated that scenario

It is what it is

And they will likely never even realize what they killed

Alas
 
PSU will NEVER again have the consistent, reliable, projectable stream of ticket (and fee) $$$ that they enjoyed for 30 years.

The introduction of STEP guaranteed that - far more impactful than W/L records / panini availability / modernization of restrooms / how loud the PA system is, etc etc etc

Subsequent actions - that have all basically screamed "We don't give a flying f$ck about the proletariat"..... have only exacerbated that scenario

It is what it is

And they will likely never even realize what they killed

Alas

Don't disagree with any of that, I was addressing the nostalgia factor of people more loyal to Joe/their good old days than to the university/team/coach, etc. If we went to a 85K stadium (probably where we averaged during that 30 years you cited) it would sell out the same what it did then. TV money changes everything.
 
Interesting, BC's students show up late and leave early as well. Granted BC has been horrible, but a Penn St football game is a huge social event and your team was exciting as it gets to watch. Student behavior could be indicative of future apathy towards spectator sports which is not good for attendance. Smaller stadiums with luxury seating will offset drops in attendances financially.

The other big problem with college athletics is crazy salaries for coaches. Flaunting all of that money in front of the players is going to lead to a pay for play system.

Enjoy college hockey, it gets me through the winter!
 
Interesting, BC's students show up late and leave early as well. Granted BC has been horrible, but a Penn St football game is a huge social event and your team was exciting as it gets to watch. Student behavior could be indicative of future apathy towards spectator sports which is not good for attendance. Smaller stadiums with luxury seating will offset drops in attendances financially.

The other big problem with college athletics is crazy salaries for coaches. Flaunting all of that money in front of the players is going to lead to a pay for play system.

Enjoy college hockey, it gets me through the winter!


I think the students (for the most part) aren't really a problem. Yeah, occasionally they are slow to get in from the tailgate lots especially if it's Kent State or Eastern Michigan Tech on the schedule. The process of getting them through the gates has been an issue for a long time (as well as re-selling tickets they can't use). That's on Sandy and company in the AD office.

Outside of early blowout games and the Thanksgiving week when students are all out of town- I don't think there's a real problem with the student section generally.

I agree coaching salaries are ridiculous but that's the market we live in. Schools aren't obligated to pay millions per year but then they don't attract the upper level coaches. As long as the universities are making a profit I don't think coaching salaries are dropping.

College hockey is great. It's now the third positive revenue generating sport at Penn St. My only issue is the lack of coverage which hasn't let the sport explode in Pennsylvania as much as it could IMO.

Since the Big ten network is, frankly, pretty poor at getting coverage of these sports on tv- I wish Penn State would find some way to get their games/ matches that the BTN doesn't televise on a channel like PCN (which already shows a lot of PIAA games). It would be a ratings winner for PCN and good statewide coverage of Penn State Olympic sports (hockey, wrestling, volleyball, lacrosse, etc).
 
Interesting, BC's students show up late and leave early as well. Granted BC has been horrible, but a Penn St football game is a huge social event and your team was exciting as it gets to watch. Student behavior could be indicative of future apathy towards spectator sports which is not good for attendance. Smaller stadiums with luxury seating will offset drops in attendances financially.

The other big problem with college athletics is crazy salaries for coaches. Flaunting all of that money in front of the players is going to lead to a pay for play system.

Enjoy college hockey, it gets me through the winter!
The concept of comparing BC and PSU vav football game attendance/interest - in ANY way - is _____.



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With a donation I am paying close to $70 per game per seat. I am on the low end of the scale. How much is the day experience worth to me? I do have a limit and do believe there are some great observations here. SleepyH is dead on I believe. My next move will be to go to the open market if prices go too high.
 
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I'm 34. Graduated in 2005. I go to one marquee game a year. Watch the others from the convenience of my couch. My PSU football budget is <$1000/yr. I just cut my cable service to save $100 a month - you think I'm going to drop $$$ for a seat license?? pfft.. get real.

My generation and the one behind me is cost-conscious and practical. Why spend all that money when we can consume it for much less at more convenience at home/bar? I will never, EVER spend >$1000/yr on PSU football (Travel, Tickets, Lodging). And among my peers, I am on the higher end of that threshold. You just watch.... College and Pro sports are just beginning to see the decline of live attendence. It's not going back up.
 
I'm 34. Graduated in 2005. I go to one marquee game a year. Watch the others from the convenience of my couch. My PSU football budget is <$1000/yr. I just cut my cable service to save $100 a month - you think I'm going to drop $$$ for a seat license?? pfft.. get real.

My generation and the one behind me is cost-conscious and practical. Why spend all that money when we can consume it for much less at more convenience at home/bar? I will never, EVER spend >$1000/yr on PSU football (Travel, Tickets, Lodging). And among my peers, I am on the higher end of that threshold. You just watch.... College and Pro sports are just beginning to see the decline of live attendence. It's not going back up.

I am 33 and I could not agree more. In addition to the financials involved, its not an easy place for a lot of people to get to. For a lot of us, its a long day of travel, tailgating, and viewing in the stadium. I have a newborn at home and with the advent of smartphones, I am always "working" or accessible to my bosses or clients. The younger generation seems to get made fun of a lot, and rightfully so(millennials in particular), but two things are emblematic of my generation:
1. Many don't have a ton of money lying around and deal with onerous student loans to this day
2. Likely because of number 1, we don't overpay and we crave real value.

Being forced to make a donation, pay exorbitant prices for parking and hotels, fill of the car and grab the family/commute 2 hours each-way for 6 games a year, 3 of which are garbage? As the above poster said "pfffft, get real." Its not a matter of allegiance or passion, its a matter of smarts and fiscal responsibility. Plus, we don't live in a society anymore where the wife(who mostly works now) will take the baby or the kids and say "go head up to the old State U every week during the fall with your buddies, I'll take care of the kids and the house..."

Now, this is not to say that this renovation cant be successful, regardless of how big they keep it. If they can indeed fill the stadium for concerts and pro sporting events and the like, then I can certainly see an avenue to success with the renovation.
 
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I hear the same things from the young alums at BC. Older alums forget the massive student loans that young alums have to pay for. With every game on TV and with unbelievable HD 65 inch plus flat screens, homegating is gaining popularity.

At BC, Donor based seating starts at $500 per seat up to $1,000 and parking with full tailgating privileges starts at $3,500 up to $10,000. We stink and play at least two horrible OOC games every year. Young alums just pick one or two games per year to attend.

Coaches salaries have to be capped. Every athletic department is losing money when they factor in the cost of scholarships. In addition there will be a backlash from the players if the coaches and the schools are the only entities getting paid.

That is what I love about college hockey, you play everyone in your conference, no crap opponents on the schedule, reasonable coaches salaries and reasonable ticket prices and a real playoff system.
 
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