The enemy of my enemy is my friend....Iowa 17-18

[dunkej01]

Should TnT go all in on this season with Downey (check) drop murin (rumor) and bring spencer out of RS after midlands will anyone else be joining me in rooting for the hawks ESPECIALLY Spencer?

I want Spencer to win nationals and take out both Voldemort and NaTo. If he does, it could really factor heavily in the team race.

125 is essentially a dead weight for us (no offense to those taking offense) so rooting for the PA kid that gave us so much joy seems like the right thing to do.

Edit: I will cheer for KemDog over Mj and PDIII over martin.....with no remorse too!! Go Hawks!

 

[WildTurk]

I for one am not putting the cart before the horse. Talk and wishful speculation get you nowhere. A man can dream however.

 

[KidNittany]

Should TnT go all in on this season with Downey (check) drop murin (rumor) and bring spencer out of RS after midlands will anyone else be joining me in rooting for the hawks ESPECIALLY Spencer?

I want Spencer to win nationals and take out both Voldemort and NaTo. If he does, it could really factor heavily in the team race.

125 is essentially a dead weight for us (no offense to those taking offense) so rooting for the PA kid that gave us so much joy seems like the right thing to do.

Edit: I will cheer for KemDog over Mj and PDIII over martin.....with no remorse too!! Go Hawks!

Too many ifs for my liking and a coach that historically doesn't start freshman makes me think this is just wishful fan thinking. But maybe he finally bucks his history and goes for it. Either way that seems like too many variables and a lot of "hype" but not necessarily the true horsepower to get there. Would be exciting though for sure.

 

[nitlion6]

Too many ifs for my liking and a coach that historically doesn't start freshman makes me think this is just wishful fan thinking. But maybe he finally bucks his history and goes for it. Either way that seems like too many variables and a lot of "hype" but not necessarily the true horsepower to get there. Would be exciting though for sure.

Well, back in 2015 when the Lions were going through their reset year a few HR regulars who can carry a conversation with outsiders eluded to the Brands boys would never do a reset - they always put their best team on the mat.
Not wrestling either Marinelli or Young last kinda put a dent in that theory. Not wrestling Spencer and the Warner kid should put it to bed.
Not sure a true frosh, still a little smaller Spencer is ready to beat NATO, but I would be OK with it if he did.

 

[RoarLions1]

Just wondering (out loud)...I'm of the opinion that the final decision will be Spencer and his family's.

 

[WildTurk]

Just wondering (out loud)...I'm of the opinion that the final decision will be Spencer and his family's.

No one would know his injury better. Right? However i would go with what the Orthopedic surgeon and Rehabilitation folks say over anyone. 2nd opinions are always welcome with any injury but Never rush a knee injury imo..

 

[nitlion6]

No one would know his injury better. Right? However i would go with what the Orthopedic surgeon and Rehabilitation folks say over anyone. 2nd opinions are always welcome with any injury but Never rush a knee injury imo..

I admit I want to see a fully healthy Spencer wrestle. As a wrestling fan I hope he takes the redshirt.

 

[minnhawkeye]

Just wondering (out loud)...I'm of the opinion that the final decision will be Spencer and his family's.
Would say u are right Roar and if Spencer and family say go then it will happen..Unless Tom feels it be best for Spencer to red shirt Tom is always for the person before the team.

 

[PSU Mike]

No one would know his injury better. Right? However i would go with what the Orthopedic surgeon and Rehabilitation folks say over anyone. 2nd opinions are always welcome with any injury but Never rush a knee injury imo..

Well, there is spyker, rings, champs, ...

 

[PSUisawesome]

Should TnT go all in on this season with Downey (check) drop murin (rumor) and bring spencer out of RS after midlands will anyone else be joining me in rooting for the hawks ESPECIALLY Spencer?

I want Spencer to win nationals and take out both Voldemort and NaTo. If he does, it could really factor heavily in the team race.

125 is essentially a dead weight for us (no offense to those taking offense) so rooting for the PA kid that gave us so much joy seems like the right thing to do.

Edit: I will cheer for KemDog over Mj and PDIII over martin.....with no remorse too!! Go Hawks!

Count me in

 

[SJP80]

Spencer wrestling this year is one less year he can help the Hawks should they become competitive in 21-22. There's no doubt he could compete this year.

 

[LemonPie]

Just wondering (out loud)...I'm of the opinion that the final decision will be Spencer and his family's.
Would say u are right Roar and if Spencer and family say go then it will happen..Unless Tom feels it be best for Spencer to red shirt Tom is always for the person before the team.

Very interesting take. So you are saying the decision could be Spencer's, but may also be Tom's. Learning a lot from these Hawkeye fans.

 

[a_mshaffer]

Spencer wrestling this year is one less year he can help the Hawks should they become competitive in 21-22. There's no doubt he could compete this year.

sounds like Spencer may have had a little surgery for a sports hernia or something similar. His last interview he noted that he had a minor setback in the manliest place...

 

[jrd23psu]

Will I root for Iowa? Hahahahahahahahah

 

[matter7172]

sounds like Spencer may have had a little surgery for a sports hernia or something similar. His last interview he noted that he had a minor setback in the manliest place...

He had brain surgery?

 

[Ihawkd9times]

Word is if 100% healthy and ready to go then its the family's call. And that their thinking they want 4 healthy postseasons to win 4 titles. Meaning he will go this year and keep the redshirt handy if injured in another year moving forward. I think its the smart play given his history and also allows flex ability with his career.

As for horse power I don't think anyone sees more than PSU or tOSU but very possible 4 finalists in Lee, Sorenson, Kemerer, Downey. The wildcards are Stoll and Marinelli. Then can Laux, Turk/Happel, Young, Wilcke get any significant points.

Could that edge out Michigan for 3rd?

 

[dunkej01]

the kid has been on the hospital table, what 3 times (shoulder, knee, hernia) in the last 18 months to 2 years???? is that your body telling you something? holding in hip pocket looks wise.
Go Hawks!

 

[psu_flip]

I think Tom keeps the shirt on to begin the season. If Spencer wins Midlands and beats some top kids along the way, a significant discussion will take place about the shirt.

 

[nitlion6]

Word is if 100% healthy and ready to go then its the family's call. And that their thinking they want 4 healthy postseasons to win 4 titles. Meaning he will go this year and keep the redshirt handy if injured in another year moving forward. I think its the smart play given his history and also allows flex ability with his career.

As for horse power I don't think anyone sees more than PSU or tOSU but very possible 4 finalists in Lee, Sorenson, Kemerer, Downey. The wildcards are Stoll and Marinelli. Then can Laux, Turk/Happel, Young, Wilcke get any significant points.

Could that edge out Michigan for 3rd?

Iowa, 4 finalists. Could happen, but it ain't gonna happen. Sorenson and Kemerer are very legitimate finalists contenders. If Lee wrestles not in finals would be way more surprising than in. So with Lee, 3 is within reach, but that is max limit. Not 65, 84 nor heavy is wrestling Saturday night. But 3 finalists, 1 possible champ and 2 or 3 additional AA places Iowa should get a trophy.
Michigan isn't finishing top 4.

 

[funkisfun12]

Iowa, 4 finalists. Could happen, but it ain't gonna happen. Sorenson and Kemerer are very legitimate finalists contenders. If Lee wrestles not in finals would be way more surprising than in. So with Lee, 3 is within reach, but that is max limit. Not 65, 84 nor heavy is wrestling Saturday night. But 3 finalists, 1 possible champ and 2 or 3 additional AA places Iowa should get a trophy.
Michigan isn't finishing top 4.

Coon, Micic, and Massa can score enough on their own to get Michigan in the top 10. Barring injury, I really like their chances at a top 4. I see 5-6 AA's. I only see Okie state keeping them from 3rd, just my opinion.

 

[zzs006]

If they pull Lee's shirt then they should really go for it and pull Warner's as well. Lee, sorenson, kemerer, marinelli, young, PD3, Warner, and Stoll could definitely get them in the conversation for 3rd. I think they should go for it. Would make for an even better year

 

[WildTurk]

Since Lugo has been fully released it would be sweet if he could make 141. Highly unlikely, but word is he has been doing quite well in the room..

 

[funkisfun12]

Since Lugo has been fully released it would be sweet if he could make 141. Highly unlikely, but word is he has been doing quite well in the room..

I'm sure he is, he's a damn good wrestler. Not being a wise guy at all, but didn't he beat Sorenson last year, or almost beat him? I'm too lazy to look it up right now.

 

[WildTurk]

I'm sure he is, he's a damn good wrestler. Not being a wise guy at all, but didn't he beat Sorenson last year, or almost beat him? I'm too lazy to look it up right now.

He sure did. I remember watching it live on my phone. I had heard of Lugo but was surprised to see him beat BS. He was jacked up that match. Tough to watch for me honestly.

 

[matter7172]

He sure did. I remember watching it live on my phone. I had heard of Lugo but was surprised to see him beat BS. He was jacked up that match. Tough to watch for me honestly.

If it was tough for you, imagine what it was like for Sorensen.

 

[nitlion6]

Coon, Micic, and Massa can score enough on their own to get Michigan in the top 10. Barring injury, I really like their chances at a top 4. I see 5-6 AA's. I only see Okie state keeping them from 3rd, just my opinion.

If Michigan shows up in March and performs at a Top 4 level I will acknowledge my mistake. However, we have been waiting for Michigan to take the big step up for about a decade now. It could happen, but I will need to see it first

 

[RoarLions1]

He sure did. I remember watching it live on my phone. I had heard of Lugo but was surprised to see him beat BS. He was jacked up that match. Tough to watch for me honestly.

Another example of a loss being a win. Guessing (actually, I'm pretty sure) young Sorensen learned from that bout.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

If Michigan shows up in March and performs at a Top 4 level I will acknowledge my mistake. However, we have been waiting for Michigan to take the big step up for about a decade now. It could happen, but I will need to see it first

ultimate homer John from Michigan is back on the Flo Boards predicting UM titles in 2019 and 20. He had them locking down titles in 2017 and 18 back in 2015, but reality intruded

 

[nitlion6]

ultimate homer John from Michigan is back on the Flo Boards predicting UM titles in 2019 and 20. He had them locking down titles in 2017 and 18 back in 2015, but reality intruded

I know. Back in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004 there were Nittany Lion football fans telling people Penn State was gonna win a BCS title.
Same sense of reality.

 

[El-Jefe]

If Michigan shows up in March and performs at a Top 4 level I will acknowledge my mistake. However, we have been waiting for Michigan to take the big step up for about a decade now. It could happen, but I will need to see it first

Looks like it'll be close. Meatchicken returns 91.5 points, which would've been 5th last year (behind Iowa 97.0, ahead of Missouri 86.5).

That includes zero points at 125, 141, and 149 -- gotta think Assad, Profaci, and Amine will score something. Also Abounader will likely score more than 3 points.

 

[slushhead]

sounds like Spencer may have had a little surgery for a sports hernia or something similar. His last interview he noted that he had a minor setback in the manliest place...

He had brain surgery?

For the Seinfeld fans among us.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

I know. Back in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004 there were Nittany Lion football fans telling people Penn State was gonna win a BCS title.
Same sense of reality.

Or that JayPa knew what he was doing

 

[nitlion6]

Looks like it'll be close. Meatchicken returns 91.5 points, which would've been 5th last year (behind Iowa 97.0, ahead of Missouri 86.5).

That includes zero points at 125, 141, and 149 -- gotta think Assad, Profaci, and Amine will score something. Also Abounader will likely score more than 3 points.

Hey, I could be wrong. I never thought Ryan could get his guys tough enough to win a champioship, until he did.

Until I see it happen I am going to have strong doubts about the Michigan staff's ability to get their kids to collectively peak enough to elbow their way into the conversation.

 

[El-Jefe]

ultimate homer John from Michigan is back on the Flo Boards predicting UM titles in 2019 and 20. He had them locking down titles in 2017 and 18 back in 2015, but reality intruded

Micic could get one.

Oh, wait, he meant team titles.

 

[El-Jefe]

I know. Back in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004 there were Nittany Lion football fans telling people Penn State was gonna win a BCS title.
Same sense of reality.

Spyker was around back then?

 

[Bob_Anderson]

Spyker was around back then?

yeah, he was. good ole "moistfam" or Steve Moist as some may know him. some really messed up stuff has been written by that dude over the years. strangely enough, his kid has been a PSU student for for about 15 years now. he also revealed:
he's a cop who was attending PSU to get his "doctors" degree and he's missing multiple fingers, so his secretary types all his posts on the BWI boards. a real go-getter, you have to admit.

 

[El-Jefe]

Hey, I could be wrong. I never thought Ryan could get his guys tough enough to win a champioship, until he did.

Until I see it happen I am going to have strong doubts about the Michigan staff's ability to get their kids to collectively peak enough to elbow their way into the conversation.

Well, I should've also added above, maybe some of their guys give back some points. For example, Coon scored 20.5 pts in 2016 -- with Snyder capping him at 2nd, is he gonna score enough bonus to replicate the 20.5 this year? Is Pantaleo better at 157 than at 149? Are Amine and Beazley repeat AAs?

Plus I didn't look at all at projections for other schools.

Also should've said: I think they're in the mix for top 4 -- but they're nowhere near the top 2.

 

[RoarLions1]

Well, I should've also added above, maybe some of their guys give back some points. For example, Coon scored 20.5 pts in 2016 -- with Snyder capping him at 2nd, is he gonna score enough bonus to replicate the 20.5 this year? Is Pantaleo better at 157 than at 149? Are Amine and Beazley repeat AAs?

Plus I didn't look at all at projections for other schools.

Also should've said: I think they're in the mix for top 4 -- but they're nowhere near the top 2.

My opinion as well, counting the Advancement and Placement Points from Flo's pre-season rankings. They come in at #3, way early, but it's a distant 3rd from the top-2. I really like their line-up, if everyone is healthy...and they should battle for a spot on the team podium.

Michigan has a historically successful program (lots of top-10 finishes), but hasn't been near the top since 2005, when they were 2nd...fyi.

 

[tikk10]

yeah, he was. good ole "moistfam" or Steve Moist as some may know him. some really messed up stuff has been written by that dude over the years. strangely enough, his kid has been a PSU student for for about 15 years now. he also revealed:
he's a cop who was attending PSU to get his "doctors" degree and he's missing multiple fingers, so his secretary types all his posts on the BWI boards. a real go-getter, you have to admit.

I love the idea of Spyker testily reviewing printed-out drafts of posts typed by his secretary.

"I don't know how many times we've gone over this. Full-court press is always in all-caps."

"If I wanted a fact checker I'd hire one. Just write that I'll be outside Gate C and don't ask questions."

"I need you to get me a list of people beating Nico. Yes, in the room."

"Before you leave tonight, I need you to print out that thing we talked about earlier and sign it 'Cael Sanderson.'"

 

[El-Jefe]

I love the idea of Spyker testily reviewing printed-out drafts of posts typed by his secretary.

"I don't know how many times we've gone over this. Full-court press is always in all-caps."

"If I wanted a fact checker I'd hire one. Just write that I'll be outside Gate C and don't ask questions."

"I need you to get me a list of people beating Nico. Yes, in the room."

"Before you leave tonight, I need you to print out that thing we talked about earlier and sign it 'Cael Sanderson.'"

FOUR exclamation points !!!! Not three !!!

My tickets aren't together?

How long did that analysis take?