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The FALL

RoarLions1

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Thought I’d write this little ditty after reading another in a long line of postings that seem to push ALL the FALL controversies into the arms of the referees. Granted, I’m pushing the discussion maybe a little too far into the arena of passionate and opinionated fan bases, but I only did that to balance the anti-referee rhetoric. I am hoping for a fair and balanced discussion on the matter…

THE FALL
Is it just me, or is the FALL in collegiate wrestling misunderstood. “That’s a pin!!”, “call the fall, ref!!”, “what are you waiting for?”, screams the fans from the upper deck, while the referee is no more than a foot from the action, carefully surveying the shoulder blades of the wrestler desperately trying to avoid the pin. When it’s finally called, we get, “about time, I could see it from here” (which happens to be 200 feet from the action), or if it’s not called, “missed that one, blind as a bat, obvious bad call” (while still the same 200 feet). Doesn’t have to be 200 feet either…but that’s where the calls were coming from at MSG…we get the same from far closer views at Wreck Hall.

I get it, I really do. In the heat of the moment, many will want a call when their guy’s on top, even if it’s not there. Not unlike stall calls at CHA…maybe a smidgeon before it’s warranted ;).

Here’s what I got, just one man’s opinion, nothing more. Many fans want to lay their perception of a missed call all on the ref. Do refs miss calls? Yep, they do!! Do fans “miss” calls (meaning they want a fall when none is there)? Absolutely, and hundreds of times more often. Do most falls get called appropriately? Yep, I believe they do.

So what’s at issue? One thing I’m sure of…many fans think they know better than the guy closest to the action. I know what I’m talking about (head baseball umpire for 7 years, 4 years of girl’s softball, a year of men’s softball, 3 years of youth basketball, and a year of men’s basketball, all organized sports, but not High School or College). Umpiring/refereeing is much harder than it looks…and the fans always had it right when I wore stripes…ALWAYS. And re. falls in college wrestling, we’ll even take a snapshot (a moment in time) to make our point, even though a fall in college wrestling is only called when the hold is maintained for…ready? One second.

I believe mistakes are made by referees, but that’s part of having imperfect men (none are perfect, btw!) making the call. It’s just not as horrible as some make it out to be. And I, for one, believe there’s also “quick” falls called, when a wrestler isn’t held for the requisite 1 second, but we don’t discuss those with the same passion or fervor. I even saw one I thought was blatant at the NCAA Championships…any guesses?? But either way, it’s not that bad…and not as inconsistent as stalling calls.

So here’s the rules. First is from the NCAA Wrestling Handbook, and the second rule (for comparison) is from a freestyle handbook.

NCAA Wrestling
Any part of both shoulders or part of both of either wrestler held in contact with the mat for one second constitutes a fall. The one-second count (one-thousand-one) shall be a silent count by the referee and shall start only after the referee is in position to observe that a fall is imminent, after which the shoulders or scapulae area must be held in continuous contact with the mat for one second before a fall is awarded.

International Freestyle
When the defensive wrestler is held by his opponent with his two shoulders against the mat for a sufficient time to allow the referee to observe the total control of the fall, the resulting maneuver is considered to be a fall.

There you have it. What do YOU think?
 
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"...and shall start only after the referee is in position to observe that a fall is imminent,..."

Aye, there's the rub. It takes a while for us fat old men to get down on all fours.
 
"I even saw one I thought was blatant at the NCAA Championships…any guesses?"



Gilman/Tomo?
 
Whenever I see a potential fall for the wrestler/team I'm cheering for, I like to yell: "THERE IT IS!" while holding my hand up for confirmation, in case the official is looking for approval.
 
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I just noticed after all these years that Casey is grabbing Cael's pinning arm.

Pretty sure that is a great example of how deceiving a photo can be. I think Casey's hand is partly blocked by Cael's arm and it just looks like he is grabbing Caei's arm when he isn't.

Also, MANY would use this photo of proof that Gambrall was pinned at this point in time when NEITHER of his shoulders or shoulder blades are in sight. That's my 2 cents on fans that think they are refs.

My other favorite in that category is the call of TWO whenever the home wrestler gets in on a leg. It sounds like everyone thinks that getting one leg should be a takedown.
 
The best is when Zain ( and others) have their guy just about pinned and they are looking at the ref like........"good enough?, you want more, ok here goes....."


"How about now....."
 
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I don't know, Nova, but pretty sure that material bunched is a good indication that there is a grab!

But your second point is truly valid. We can see one side is down flat, but can't see the other. Right arm is up, so maybe that is enough to bring the shoulder blade up too. The referee is laying between the wrestlers and Cael, so Cael's angle is probably not as good as the ref.

Just out of curiosity, what was the result? Fall/no fall?
 
I don't know, Nova, but pretty sure that material bunched is a good indication that there is a grab!

But your second point is truly valid. We can see one side is down flat, but can't see the other. Right arm is up, so maybe that is enough to bring the shoulder blade up too. The referee is laying between the wrestlers and Cael, so Cael's angle is probably not as good as the ref.

Just out of curiosity, what was the result? Fall/no fall?

Fall. That was Q hitting a standing cradle of Gambrall in the NCAA semis in Philly. You could be right about the picture but you might also be wrong. Very difficult to tell. Maybe it is Cael's shoulder bunching up the jacket.
 
I don't know, Nova, but pretty sure that material bunched is a good indication that there is a grab!

But your second point is truly valid. We can see one side is down flat, but can't see the other. Right arm is up, so maybe that is enough to bring the shoulder blade up too. The referee is laying between the wrestlers and Cael, so Cael's angle is probably not as good as the ref.

Just out of curiosity, what was the result? Fall/no fall?
Casey's thumb is in the jacket bunch-up.

Fall. Called by the ref and confirmed by the bald side judge (pictured).
 
Roar, Did the parents get upset when you were calling pins during a girl's softball game? Or did they appreciate the effort?

A real question: Given the rule's are so similar why is a freestyle pin so much faster with so much less control?
 
Roar, Did the parents get upset when you were calling pins during a girl's softball game? Or did they appreciate the effort?

A real question: Given the rule's are so similar why is a freestyle pin so much faster with so much less control?
In answer to your real question, it's all about the one second, imo. In folkstyle, a wrestler can flop around and not be held for the required second. Not so with freestyle.
 
I am a seat polisher when I watch wrestling. Can't sit still. I start saying"TWO" before the takedown because I am hoping our guy gets two, not because I think he has two yet. I do the same with a pin. I also know that I can see a call much better from the top of Wreck Hall, better than a ref can on the mat. That is why we keep our perfect viewing seats.:)

Does anyone remember the match at home where the crowd was calling for stalling on our wrestler, and when the ref called it we cheered. I think it was Cael's first or 2nd year. Was it Sherlock?
 
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Casey definitely with a chunk of jacket there, clearly because he disagreed with Cael's fall call.

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