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The latest Penn State re-opening discussions

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My wife , son in-law, and two daughters all graduated From PSU, and I am a huge wrestling fan. If they puss out and do not open on time in the fall it will forever change my opinion of PSU. Time to man up! I really like Notre Dame's plan to start a little early and End by Thanksgiving with maybe finals online and then be off until spring semester.
 
My wife , son in-law, and two daughters all graduated From PSU, and I am a huge wrestling fan. If they puss out and do not open on time in the fall it will forever change my opinion of PSU. Time to man up! I really like Notre Dame's plan to start a little early and End by Thanksgiving with maybe finals online and then be off until spring semester.

I hope that doesn't mean you are switching to becoming a ND football fan!
 
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My wife , son in-law, and two daughters all graduated From PSU, and I am a huge wrestling fan. If they puss out and do not open on time in the fall it will forever change my opinion of PSU. Time to man up! I really like Notre Dame's plan to start a little early and End by Thanksgiving with maybe finals online and then be off until spring semester.
I, my wife, four of our daughters, my two sisters, my brother-in-law, my sister-in-law, my parents, and my niece all graduated from Penn State. You know what we say when compared to Notre Dame?...not today.
 
My wife , son in-law, and two daughters all graduated From PSU, and I am a huge wrestling fan. If they puss out and do not open on time in the fall it will forever change my opinion of PSU. Time to man up! I really like Notre Dame's plan to start a little early and End by Thanksgiving with maybe finals online and then be off until spring semester.
I quite frankly don’t give a shit if it changes your mind or not. At the end of the day if something happens, you can still sleep soundly at night. Say a second outbreak happens such that many are reporting and students are on campus some of whom have an autoimmune disease, the repercussions are not on your plate they are on Barrons. You don’t simply fix this overnight, maybe this whole thing turns out to be nothing but until then you should treat it with respect to others. Some fear it and for that you should respect your fellow Americans. Penn state will and always will be #1 for me
 
Ah, mister "Frankly I Dont give a shit if it changes your mind", my third daughter will be a Senior at PSU and is already back on campus working. So I do have skin in the game! what is your solution ? Fetal position in the basement for the rest of the year??

So NOW you have THREE daughters? Me thinks you are merely trolling. :p
 
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Penn State and the vast majority of other universities want to be open for business in the Fall. The loss of the college football season will have a huge financial impact on many schools that could result in some drastic budget cuts.

My older Daughter is going to be a senior and my younger daughter is going to be a freshman at main campus. Based on the e-mails we have been seeing, I get the impression they are working on the logistics (testing, masks, ect.) to be open in the Fall, subject to some restrictions and limitations as you would expect.

Schedule wise, one thing being considered is moving up the semester and starting in early August so it can be completed by Thanksgiving break.
 
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Sad that Penn State is still considering an August-to-Thanksgiving semester, considering Purdue officially announced it weeks ago.

Once again, Penn State's bureaucracy can't get out of its own way.
 
Sad that Penn State is still considering an August-to-Thanksgiving semester, considering Purdue officially announced it weeks ago.

Once again, Penn State's bureaucracy can't get out of its own way.
Or, y’know, PA was hit worse than Indiana and and Penn State pulls far more students from NYC, NJ and Philly, which were three of the larger outbreak spots in the country.
 
Purdue has multiple campuses as well. And Penn State could designate students from NY/NJ go online only this semester -- for example.

Point being that Penn State should've had a plan in place by now, and been able to publicly state what its criteria would be for each of the campuses including University Park.

That Penn State doesn't yet, shows that Penn State is not a leader.

BTW, I never said that Penn State had to declare it would be open this semester. I said Penn State needs to have a plan by now. That plan could be to remain shut down. But there is no plan, only continued consideration.
 
you make it sound like PSU is some how last , or near to it. Most of the colleges have yet to have a comprehensive plan. The earliest plans were by the Ivies who are continuing to be remote learning. Are they leaders because they were first, are they leaders because they are being the most cautious, or are they not leaders because you don't like the plan they have put forward? The same applies to any other schools plan.
I would have a hard time sending my kids on campus in the current situation, but it would really depend on the details. In such close quarters it only takes a few students not following the plan the make it really bad for a lot of people. If I remember correctly, when I was in college, there were plenty of students who couldn't or wouldn't follow even the simplest of rules. I don't want to have to depend on them for the plan to work.
 
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Purdue has multiple campuses as well. And Penn State could designate students from NY/NJ go online only this semester -- for example.

Point being that Penn State should've had a plan in place by now, and been able to publicly state what its criteria would be for each of the campuses including University Park.

That Penn State doesn't yet, shows that Penn State is not a leader.

BTW, I never said that Penn State had to declare it would be open this semester. I said Penn State needs to have a plan by now. That plan could be to remain shut down. But there is no plan, only continued consideration.
At the rate that changes are happening, and more data becomes available, I am glad they are waiting. I have an incoming freshman daughter, and I would rather the decision be as thoughtful and data driven as possible. A rush to throw a plan together to be a perceived "leader" does not impress me.
 
Ah, mister "Frankly I Dont give a shit if it changes your mind", my third daughter will be a Senior at PSU and is already back on campus working. So I do have skin in the game! what is your solution ? Fetal position in the basement for the rest of the year??

Just out of curiosity, what job does your daughter have? There are very few employees back on campus working at this time.
 
At the rate that changes are happening, and more data becomes available, I am glad they are waiting. I have an incoming freshman daughter, and I would rather the decision be as thoughtful and data driven as possible. A rush to throw a plan together to be a perceived "leader" does not impress me.
Your daughter's option of taking online classes is unaffected.
 
Purdue has multiple campuses as well. And Penn State could designate students from NY/NJ go online only this semester -- for example.

Point being that Penn State should've had a plan in place by now, and been able to publicly state what its criteria would be for each of the campuses including University Park.

That Penn State doesn't yet, shows that Penn State is not a leader.

BTW, I never said that Penn State had to declare it would be open this semester. I said Penn State needs to have a plan by now. That plan could be to remain shut down. But there is no plan, only continued consideration.
I rarely disagree with you, but in this case i do. The Penn State system has 19 campuses compared to Purdue's 4. I doubt that Purdue or any university is going to force certain students to use remote learning based on geography, while allowing others to experience resident learning. Steve Marino would have a whole gaggle of new clients on who's behalf he could sue Penn State. Resident learning will have to be based on the ability to test, and have a plan on what to do when the inevitable positive results show up. My two kids are dying to know what they will be doing in the fall. We hear their gripes every day. But I think this is important to get correct rather than get first.
 
Your daughter's option of taking online classes is unaffected.
But her opportunity to play volleyball for PSU-Altoona would be. That is the reason she accepted to Altoona instead of main campus. We will not pay out-of-State for her to take online classes when she can go to the community college where I teach for free and take all of the classes she would as a freshman. Like it or not, the experience is why so many kids choose a college. We are willing to wait and hear the plan though. We are hoping she can go on campus in the fall.
 
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I rarely disagree with you, but in this case i do. The Penn State system has 19 campuses compared to Purdue's 4. I doubt that Purdue or any university is going to force certain students to use remote learning based on geography, while allowing others to experience resident learning. Steve Marino would have a whole gaggle of new clients on who's behalf he could sue Penn State. Resident learning will have to be based on the ability to test, and have a plan on what to do when the inevitable positive results show up. My two kids are dying to know what they will be doing in the fall. We hear their gripes every day. But I think this is important to get correct rather than get first.
I don't disagree with getting it right.

Being right and acting faster are not mutually exclusive.

Other schools made their decisions weeks ago. Those decisions include criteria for reopening in the fall. Penn State could choose to review those schools' criteria and logistics plans in order to more quickly shape its planning. Or it could keep referring matters to committee in true PSU fashion.
 
But her opportunity to play volleyball for PSU-Altoona would be. That is the reason she accepted to Altoona instead of main campus. We will not pay out-of-State for her to take online classes when she can go to the community college where I teach for free and take all of the classes she would as a freshman. Like it or not, the experience is why so many kids choose a college. We are willing to wait and hear the plan though. We are hoping she can go on campus in the fall.
Thank you for clarifying your daughter's being in athletics. That does make campus presence more important.

Serious question: how long do you give Penn State to make a decision and make its plan public?

Because presumably you'll want to review that plan in detail and judge for yourself if it adequately protects your daughter. And you'll need some time to do that.
 
My deadline is the last day to withdrawal with tuition reimbursement :D Seriously, her heart is so set on going, and things are opening up more here in MD, so I am on board with her going to PSU if it has on-campus options. I don't think she would be more at risk in Altoona than she would be in Frederick MD. But we won't pay for PSU on-line classes.
 
My deadline is the last day to withdrawal with tuition reimbursement :D Seriously, her heart is so set on going, and things are opening up more here in MD, so I am on board with her going to PSU if it has on-campus options. I don't think she would be more at risk in Altoona than she would be in Frederick MD. But we won't pay for PSU on-line classes.
Good luck. I really do empathize with parents facing this decision.
 
At least some have options. WE ARE...committed to $2,000/month in lease obligations for 11 months. I think PSU will run the short Fall semester. Probably the same for Spring.
 
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Purdue has multiple campuses as well. And Penn State could designate students from NY/NJ go online only this semester -- for example.

Point being that Penn State should've had a plan in place by now, and been able to publicly state what its criteria would be for each of the campuses including University Park.

That Penn State doesn't yet, shows that Penn State is not a leader.

BTW, I never said that Penn State had to declare it would be open this semester. I said Penn State needs to have a plan by now. That plan could be to remain shut down. But there is no plan, only continued consideration.

Well there is something to be said about waiting until the last minute to decide here considering the situation is fluid and changing weekly, even daily. The longer you wait to decide the more info you will have. They certainly should have plans A-Z but holding off until the last minute to announce may not be the wrong decision here..
 
At least some have options. WE ARE...committed to $2,000/month in lease obligations for 11 months. I think PSU will run the short Fall semester. Probably the same for Spring.
That is rough:(... Our good friends' daughter should be a senior Material Science major in the fall. They also have the lease to worry about and are trying to decide on whether to enroll her or take the year off. Her classes as remote learning in the spring had much to be desired. Some courses you just need to be there!
 
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Well there is something to be said about waiting until the last minute to decide here considering the situation is fluid and changing weekly, even daily. The longer you wait to decide the more info you will have. They certainly should have plans A-Z but holding off until the last minute to announce may not be the wrong decision here..
Considering what Penn State charges its customers, and the risks involved, regular and open communication should be the standard.

I think they're doing OK at the regular part.

The open part ... they should be very happy they don't have my customer. They would get ripped head to toe for either holding back info, not being organized, or not getting enough done week to week. (My customer is especially demanding when the topic involves lives being at stake. As they should be.)
 
I quite frankly don’t give a shit if it changes your mind or not. At the end of the day if something happens, you can still sleep soundly at night. Say a second outbreak happens such that many are reporting and students are on campus some of whom have an autoimmune disease, the repercussions are not on your plate they are on Barrons. You don’t simply fix this overnight, maybe this whole thing turns out to be nothing but until then you should treat it with respect to others. Some fear it and for that you should respect your fellow Americans. Penn state will and always will be #1 for me
It's no ones responsibility except for that person with the autoimmune disease that you speak of. They could get it anywhere let alone on campus. This has gotten ridiculous. Everyone should do what they personally feel they have to do and let the world keep turning.

The big 12 commissioner said if a player tests positive then they'll have to isolate the entire team for at least two weeks. Why would in the hell would they do that. Instead of testing everyone and isolating the positive tests. Shit has gotten ridiculous.
 
The big 12 commissioner said if a player tests positive then they'll have to isolate the entire team for at least two weeks. Why would in the hell would they do that. Instead of testing everyone and isolating the positive tests. Shit has gotten ridiculous.
That's actually not unreasonable depending on the frequency of testing. Perhaps they can isolate only the positive tests if testing is conducted daily, for every player regardless of symptoms, prior to entering the team building.

Of course that assumes enough test kits exist nationally to conduct such a sufficiently rigorous testing regimen (in addition to high-priority needs like hospitals and nursing homes). That seems dubious now.

But if they only test those displaying symptoms ... in every communicable disease, symptoms lag infection. Given the close proximity of teammates in team practices, most or all of the team could become infected before any players become symptomatic.

Another factor is, well, not the entire conference has West Virginia's climate. Summer training in Texas and Oklahoma is hard enough without respiratory issues. They won't be able to practice with masks -- high-volume breathing is too hard, they'll have players passing out left and right. It's a stroke waiting to happen.
 
Honestly, as a parent, we get constant emails and updates. No complaints. They even found my daughter a virtual internship in her field for the summer, in the midst of a global pandemic. How cool is that?

EDIT: Here's the link that actually says no later than June 15th.
https://news.psu.edu/story/617879/2...ronavirus-task-groups-continue-future-focused

Technically, it is just a commitment to provide further information by June 15th. There is no clear promise yet of a decision by then. Here is the wording:

“At this time, the University remains optimistic for a fall return to on-campus learning in line with the latest directives and guidelines from the governor and other government and public health authorities. We will continue to keep the University and local community informed and plan to provide additional updates and information by June 15, if not earlier,” said Penn State President Eric Barron."
 
"At the end of the day if something happens, you can still sleep soundly at night. Say a second outbreak happens such that many are reporting and students are on campus some of whom have an autoimmune disease, the repercussions are not on your plate they are on Barrons."

At some point, we're going to have to realize that we're not going to stop people from dying because we stop living and we're actually causing deaths with these lockdowns. Even Dr. Fauci had admitted this a couple of days ago.

Four months ago, I had no immune system courtesy of chemotherapy. I've lived that situation.
 
"At the end of the day if something happens, you can still sleep soundly at night. Say a second outbreak happens such that many are reporting and students are on campus some of whom have an autoimmune disease, the repercussions are not on your plate they are on Barrons."

At some point, we're going to have to realize that we're not going to stop people from dying because we stop living and we're actually causing deaths with these lockdowns. Even Dr. Fauci had admitted this a couple of days ago.

Four months ago, I had no immune system courtesy of chemotherapy. I've lived that situation.
I would agree with you, at some point we are not going to protect people from dieing. But again there is a lot more behind the scenes with this then just continuing education. There could be legal ramifications if not handled appropriately. Again easy for you to sit behind a computer and give your thoughts instead of looking out for a couple thousand students and faculty. I’m not trying to argue with you that classes shouldn’t resume because like any penn stater i would like to see a football game especially with a team as highly anticipated as ours will be. I won’t bring Fauci into any discussion i have because he has been contradicting everything he has been saying.

but regardless of opinions of a topic that we have no control over, i would just like to hope all is well brotha and hope if you haven’t finished chemo yet that you are battling like the warrior you are and finish up soon. If you have finished then congratulations my man.
 
Honestly, as a parent, we get constant emails and updates. No complaints. They even found my daughter a virtual internship in her field for the summer, in the midst of a global pandemic. How cool is that?

EDIT: Here's the link that actually says no later than June 15th.
https://news.psu.edu/story/617879/2...ronavirus-task-groups-continue-future-focused

Same here, the eldest was supposed to go to D.C. this summer for an internship. With that being cancelled, they gave here a virtual one instead. Also, there is a $1,000 grant floating around for students that have been affected by Covid-19. Not sure how they define "affected" since all students have been affected to one degree or another but they notified her she got one.
 
Same here, the eldest was supposed to go to D.C. this summer for an internship. With that being cancelled, they gave here a virtual one instead. Also, there is a $1,000 grant floating around for students that have been affected by Covid-19. Not sure how they define "affected" since all students have been affected to one degree or another but they notified her she got one.
Our youngest was supposed to be doing her internship with Caterpillar, but that went virtual. I think it was very honorable for most of these companies to continue to honor these commitments. It would have been easy to bail.
 
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