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The Other White Out - Driving Advice?

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A snow squall yesterday created blinding conditions on I80 yesterday, 30 car and truck pile up with at least one fatality. I drove across today and it's still closed from exit 212 to exit 178.

So, what is the best course of action if you find yourself in a sudden and blinding snow storm on an Interstate?
 
flashers (and lights, obviously) on and get off the road as soon as possible

and hope for the best
 
First; Dont Panic, Grew up driving I80 and I 90 along Lake Erie, couldn't see 1ft out the windshield during these snow squalls. Drivers who panic or slam on the breaks cause most of the accidents. Slow down gradually Hazards on, don't stop on the highway slowdown and keep a big distance from the taillights/breaklights in front of you. If you need to stop, never do it suddenly try to get to side of road if you need to. if traffic is still moving. But then try to continue moving, drive slowly. These squalls usually occur in same sections of highway every year. Be careful! Don't stop, unless every one else forces you too. Many times it's the last car in line that's stopped on the highway gets rammed from behind causing a massive car pileup.
 
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Check the forecast if bad weather is expected. If it is, stay off the interstate.
Unfortunately these tend to show up with very little warning. I live in NYC metro and got an alert on my phone, but it was literally 5 minutest before the witch appeared
 
A snow squall yesterday created blinding conditions on I80 yesterday, 30 car and truck pile up with at least one fatality. I drove across today and it's still closed from exit 212 to exit 178.

So, what is the best course of action if you find yourself in a sudden and blinding snow storm on an Interstate?
Don’t speed, I’m willing to bet that was the case I’m this situation then once the first truck jackknifed it was all downhill from there.
 
First; Dont Panic, Grew up driving I80 and I 90 along Lake Erie, couldn't see 1ft out the windshield during these snow squalls. Drivers who panic or slam on the breaks cause most of the accidents. Slow down gradually Hazards on, don't stop on the highway slowdown and keep a big distance from the taillights/breaklights in front of you. If you need to stop, never do it suddenly try to get to side of road if you need to. if traffic is still moving. But then try to continue moving, drive slowly. These squalls usually occur in same sections of highway every year. Be careful! Don't stop, unless every one else forces you too. Many times it's the last car in line that's stopped on the highway gets rammed from behind causing a massive car pileup.
This sounds like the right approach. Getting rear ended wold be my biggest concern
 
First; Dont Panic, Grew up driving I80 and I 90 along Lake Erie, couldn't see 1ft out the windshield during these snow squalls. Drivers who panic or slam on the breaks cause most of the accidents. Slow down gradually Hazards on, don't stop on the highway slowdown and keep a big distance from the taillights/breaklights in front of you. If you need to stop, never do it suddenly try to get to side of road if you need to. if traffic is still moving. But then try to continue moving, drive slowly. These squalls usually occur in same sections of highway every year. Be careful! Don't stop, unless every one else forces you too. Many times it's the last car in line that's stopped on the highway gets rammed from behind causing a massive car pileup.
Good advice. If you find yourself as the last car in the line I typically like to gently and momentarily pull to the shoulder. Figure it may prevented getting tagged from behind.
 
What's crazy is when you see people lose control of their vehicle because of ice/snow and go off the road then stand by the side of the road where they lost control. WTH?
 
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Good advice. If you find yourself as the last car in the line I typically like to gently and momentarily pull to the shoulder. Figure it may prevented getting tagged from behind.


The shoulder is obviously safer but still extremely dangerous. If you can get to a shoulder that’s just a few yds past an overpass that will hopefully be the safest spot as the overpass, especially a wide one, can at least improve visibility for a few seconds.

Best bet, get off the interstate at the closest exit.
 
Squalls are the worst. They come with little notice and can lay down 2 inches or more of snow in an hour over a relatively short distance of road.

Unlike major storms, which are forecast well in advance, with squalls the salt trucks typically don't get put into action until the damage is done.

By then, if it's especially cold, as is often the case, the intense snow is soon ground into ice by heavy traffic on major highways. Inevitably, accidents, a lot of them, are the result.

I've been lucky over the years, living in Maryland where such conditions are not common. The few times I've encountered them here, I recognized what was happening and applied knowledge gained from years of winter driving in NEPA as a college kid.

For those less experienced, I'd advise taking the first exit off the highway and waiting the situation out -- because squalls rarely last more than 90 minutes.

We actually ran into this a month or so ago on I-81 north of Harrisburg on our way to visit one of our kids. That stretch of road between Ravine and Hazleton is notorious for bad driving conditions in winter, even as early as November.

Anyway, a bad squall came up on a 50-mile stretch of road and laid down 3-4 inches of snow in the space of two hours. A rapid series of accidents led the police to shut down the highway. We sat a couple hours on a local road near Pine Grove before things opened up.

At the end of the day, no matter how experienced you are, it sometimes comes down to luck. Wrong place, wrong time sort of thing.
 
A snow squall yesterday created blinding conditions on I80 yesterday, 30 car and truck pile up with at least one fatality. I drove across today and it's still closed from exit 212 to exit 178.

So, what is the best course of action if you find yourself in a sudden and blinding snow storm on an Interstate?
60 vehicles, two fatalities. Accident happened 1:30 yesterday and they got the road open at 5:30 this evening.
 
I - 80 in western and central PA is especially notorious for deadly whiteouts. I avoid this road in the winter if there is any chance of them.
 
60 vehicles, two fatalities. Accident happened 1:30 yesterday and they got the road open at 5:30 this evening.
The detour took me up I-180 to 220 south, took about an hour. I hit the detour shortly after 4 pm
 
A snow squall yesterday created blinding conditions on I80 yesterday, 30 car and truck pile up with at least one fatality. I drove across today and it's still closed from exit 212 to exit 178.

So, what is the best course of action if you find yourself in a sudden and blinding snow storm on an Interstate?

I was on this highway just an hour before the incident. It is a terrifying thing and there is no solution for this.
 
flashers (and lights, obviously) on and get off the road as soon as possible

and hope for the best

Using flashers while driving is illegal in many states...will get u a ticket although I believe it is legal in PA.

Edited, as I found this AAA link: https://drivinglaws.aaa.com/tag/hazard-light-use/

(Yes, it is legal in PA, but not in Florida, RI, Alaska, WV, others...check the list).
 
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I’ve got a lot of winter miles under my belt on 86, 90, 79 and 80. And, thankfully, I have been lucky. I have no issue driving with flashers on. I try to maintain pace as best I can while giving the vehicle in front of me a wide berth. I try to stay off the brakes as much as possible. I’ve seen drivers lose control by spiking their breaks in reaction to a break tap by vehicles in front of them. My No.1 rule is get off the interstate ASAP. The white out storms, as a general rule, usually don’t last that long. Better to be safe and a half-hour late.
 
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1. The damn truckers don't slow down!

2. Be aware when conditions are prime for squalls and then keep checking radar on phone. See one coming get off road.

3. Keep food, water, blankets in car all winter.

4. Get caught in one, slow down w lights on and hug the shoulder. Keep an eye on mirrors and be prepared to ditch the car go get out of the way of a vehicle coming at you.

5. Exit asap.
 
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Went to pick up my son yesterday and had to detour via I-180/220 (this was around 5:30). 80 East was still closed then. To add insult to injury, there was an accident on 220 causing another 15+ minute delay. Wife and I were discussing this very topic... what would we have done? Tough call, and anyone suggesting "pulling over" it's easier said than done. Left lane had zero room to pull over and right lane had room for a single car's width... barely.
 
Last winter we drove thru heavy snow and wind for an early morning (it was dark!) Buffalo flight. On the way to I90, every area where fields flanked Route 8, indeed, essentially could not see past the hood. The wise choice would/should have been to go back home as, a couple hundred bucks wasted does not even approach an accident or injury.
 
Fog lights without headlights tends to help. Make sure parking lights are on so that you have tail lights.
 
It's stupidity. Pennsylvanians have gotten soft regarding the weather.

Proper Planning and Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance.

Check the GD weather. It's not a complicated riddle or algorithm. This shit keeps happening one hour west of the national AccuWeather headquarters, the central hub for the most accurate weather prediction facility in the history of the planet, because people are just too stupid to check the weather.

This happens in PA in the same place year after year after year. Why is it surprising?

It isn't. Read the forecast. If it sucks, stay home. The best strategy for dealing with it is to not drive in it. It's that simple.

Alternatively, learn to read aviation weather and go to aviationweather.gov. No one takes weather more seriously than the aviation community.
 
A snow squall yesterday created blinding conditions on I80 yesterday, 30 car and truck pile up with at least one fatality. I drove across today and it's still closed from exit 212 to exit 178.

So, what is the best course of action if you find yourself in a sudden and blinding snow storm on an Interstate?
Get off at the nearest exit or largest wide area, rest area etc. and wait it it out. If you come upon a pileup. Pull off and walk up in the woods because of you stay in the car you might become part of it.
 
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