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Anything through the grapevines about being able to wrestle this year? Sorry if this has already been discussed.
 
EIWA schools - and I would assume everyone else as well - are preparing for the season to start after January 1.

There's a lot of time between now and then. I'm sure the events that unfold over the next few months will determine if they are able to do this or not.
 
Not a single “when does the schedule come out” post yet. The board is clearly bearish.
This is the 2020 version of that question.

Also the 2020 version of the season tickets question.
 
I wanted to present the question, but couldn’t pin down what thread to put it in, so this one seems as good as ever. If many of the top wrestlers this season do redshirt, and Penn State does the same. Are we still title contenders with our all-redshirt team that has be discussed many times here?
 
I wanted to present the question, but couldn’t pin down what thread to put it in, so this one seems as good as ever. If many of the top wrestlers this season do redshirt, and Penn State does the same. Are we still title contenders with our all-redshirt team that has be discussed many times here?
If everybody who can, shirts:

Iowa loses: Lee, Eierman, Assad.
PSU loses: RBY, Nick Lee, Berge, Brooks, and both HWTs (Kerk and Snacks). Plus none of the incoming freshmen would wrestle (most notably Howard and Bartlett).

This seems unlikely to benefit PSU in the 2021 team race.

The wild card is that Iowa could have a number of their top guys qualify for an Olympic shirt: Kemerer, Marinelli, maybe DeSanto or Cassioppi have a shot. They would have to compete at Senior Nationals and place.
 
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I wanted to present the question, but couldn’t pin down what thread to put it in, so this one seems as good as ever. If many of the top wrestlers this season do redshirt, and Penn State does the same. Are we still title contenders with our all-redshirt team that has be discussed many times here?

Not a chance, but it is still the right move for sure.
 
This thread got me thinking what if every single person took a redshirt (at least those who could). Below would be the Big 10 tournament seeding/placing according to wrestlestat with that field. I know the question was about NCAAs but it gives you a sense of how much PSU would lose.

Hopefully I did not take somebody out I should not have or add somebody that still has a redshirt. I could have missed Olympic redshirts but I took them all out even if they used an ORS last year. I guess more guys could get taken off this list depending on Senior Nationals.

125 lbs.
#1 Rayvon Foley (MSU): 5 WS
#2 Devin Schroder (PUR): 7 WS
#3 Chris Cannon (NW): 16 WS
#4 Jacob Medley (MICH): 17 WS
#5 Liam Cronin (NEB): 19 WS
#6 Nico Aguilar (RUT): 23 WS
#7 Brock Hudkins (IND): 24 WS
#8 Justin Cardini (ILL): 32 WS
#9 Ethan Rotondo (WIS): 35 WS
#10 Pat McKee (MINN): 48 WS
#11 Dylan Koontz (OSU): 50 WS
#12 Brandon Meredith (PSU): 62 WS
#13 Brandon Cray (MD): 91 WS
#14 Aaron Cashman (IOWA): 243 WS

133 lbs.
#1 Michael DeAugustino (NW): 20 WS
#2 Drew Mattin (MICH): 35 WS
#3 Tucker Sjomeling (NEB): 40 WS
#4 Jordan Hamdan (MSU): 44 WS
#5 Lucas Byrd (ILL): 46 WS
#6 Justin Stickley (IOWA): 55 WS
#7 Malcolm Robinson (RUT): 60 WS
#8 Kyle Luigs (IND): 61 WS
#9 King Sandoval (MD): 78 WS
#10 Brady Koontz (OSU): 97 WS
#11 Kyle Burwick (WIS): 103 WS
#12 Brent Jones (MINN): 118 WS
#13 Austin Clabaugh (PSU): 137 WS
#14 Michael Leveille (PUR): 239 WS

141 lbs.
#1 Sebastian Rivera (RUT): 2 WS
#2 Chad Red (NEB): 4 WS
#3 Joey Silva (MICH): 22 WS
#4 Dylan Duncan (ILL): 24 WS
#5 Trevor Chumbly (NW): 31 WS
#6 Parker Filius (PUR): 33 WS
#7 Carter Happel (IOWA): 44 WS
#8 Paul Konrath (IND): 46 WS
#9 Danny Bertoni (MD): 48 WS
#10 Sebas Swiggum (MINN): 65 WS
#11 Matt Santos (MSU): 89 WS
#12 Mason Lindenmuth (PSU): 96 WS
#13 Trey Escobar (WIS): 189 WS
#14 Dylan D'Emilio (OSU): 193 WS

149 lbs.
#1 Sammy Sasso (OSU): 3 WS
#2 Max Murin (IOWA): 6 WS
#3 Brayton Lee (MINN): 10 WS
#4 Mike Carr (ILL): 16 WS
#5 Kevon Davenport (NEB): 18 WS
#6 Jarod Verkleeren (PSU): 25 WS
#7 Yahya Thomas (NW): 30 WS
#8 Griffin Parriot (PUR): 35 WS
#9 Graham Rooks (IND): 36 WS
#10 Peyton Omania (MSU): 67 WS
#11 Michael Doetsch (MD): 76 WS
#12 Nick Lombard (MICH): 116 WS
#13 Nicholas Termini (WIS): 154 WS
#14 Ryan Vulakh (RUT): 198 WS

157 lbs.
#1 Ryan Deakin (NW): 2 WS
#2 Kendall Coleman (PUR): 8 WS
#3 Kaleb Young (IOWA): 11 WS
#4 Peyton Robb (NEB): 12 WS
#5 Will Lewan (MICH): 14 WS
#6 Brady Berge (PSU): 15 WS
#7 Michael North (MD): 20 WS
#8 Nathan Atienza (MSU): 27 WS
#9 Elijah Cleary (OSU): 30 WS
#10 Ryan Thomas (MINN): 33 WS
#11 Mike VanBrill (RUT): 34 WS
#12 Garret Model (WIS): 46 WS
#13 Fernie Silva (IND): 88 WS
#14 Johnny Mologousis (ILL): 131 WS

165 lbs.
#1 Alex Marinelli (IOWA): 1 WS
#2 Evan Wick (WIS): 2 WS
#3 Carson Kharchla (OSU): 12 WS
#4 Joe Lee (PSU): 16 WS
#5 Jacob Tucker (MSU): 18 WS
#6 Danny Braunagel (ILL): 19 WS
#7 Cameron Amine (MICH): 20 WS
#8 Emil Soehnlen (PUR): 26 WS
#9 Bubba Wilson (NEB): 31 WS
#10 Bailee O'Reilly (MINN): 36 WS
#11 Brett Donner (RUT): 59 WS
#12 Kyle Cochran (MD): 75 WS
#13 Nicholas South (IND): 81 WS
#14 Erich Byelick (NW): 91 WS

174 lbs.
#1 Michael Kemmerer (IOWA): 1 WS
#2 Mikey Labriola (NEB): 3 WS
#3 Carter Starocci (PSU): 5 WS
#4 Kaleb Romero (OSU): 6 WS
#5 Joseph Grello (RUT): 16 WS
#6 Drew Hughes (MSU): 21 WS
#7 Donnell Washington (IND): 31 WS
#8 Troy Fisher (NW): 32 WS
#9 DJ Shannon (ILL): 40 WS
#10 Philip Spadafora (MD): 41 WS
#11 Jared Krattinger (WIS): 42 WS
#12 Max Maylor (MICH): 95 WS
#13 Tanner Webster (PUR): 106 WS
#14 Nathan Fuller (MINN): 216 WS

184 lbs.
#1 Taylor Venz (NEB): 8 WS
#2 Chris Weiler (WIS): 13 WS
#3 Rocky Jordan (OSU): 17 WS
#4 Layne Malczewski (MSU): 19 WS
#5 Nelson Brands (IOWA): 20 WS
#6 Zach Braunagel (ILL): 21 WS
#7 Owen Webster (MINN): 22 WS
#8 Creighton Edsell (PSU): 34 WS
#9 Jack Jessen (NW): 45 WS
#10 Jared Florell (PUR): 76 WS
#11 Bobby Striggow (MICH): 78 WS
#12 Kyle Jasenski (MD): 84 WS
#13 Anthony Oliveri (RUT): 84 WS
#14 Sean Grim (IND): 233 WS

197 lbs.
#1 Cameron Caffey (MSU): 3 WS
#2 Jacob Warner (IOWA): 4 WS
#3 Eric Schultz (NEB): 7 WS
#4 Michael Beard (PSU): 9 WS
#5 Lucas Davison (NW): 14 WS
#6 Chase Singletary (OSU): 15 WS
#7 Billy Janzer (RUT): 22 WS
#8 Jelani Embree (MICH): 25 WS
#9 Thomas Penola (PUR): 35 WS
#10 Matt Wrobleski (ILL): 48 WS
#11 Dylan Anderson (MINN): 53 WS
#12 Brady Wetter (WIS): 81 WS
#13 Kevin Makosy (MD): 90 WS
#14 Forfeit Forfeit? (IND): WS

285 lbs.
#1 Tony Cassioppi (IOWA): 4 WS
#2 Trent Hillger (WIS): 6 WS
#3 Tate Orndorff (OSU): 7 WS
#4 Garrett Hoffman (IND): 34 WS
#5 Cole Davidson (NEB): 41 WS
#6 Christian Colucci (RUT): 42 WS
#7 Christian Rebottaro (MSU): 58 WS
#8 Brian Burns (ILL): 62 WS
#9 Keaton Kluever (MINN): 70 WS
#10 Jamarcus Grant (PUR): 80 WS
#11 Zachery Nemec (MICH): 97 WS
#12 Keagan Carmenatty (PSU): 115 WS
#13 Jack Heyob (NW): 117 WS
#14 Parker Robinson (MD): 232 WS

Team Scores
Iowa: 122
Nebraska: 112.5
Michigan State: 88.5
Northwestern: 78.5
Ohio State: 76.5
Michigan: 60
Penn State: 57.5
Illinois: 57
Rutgers: 56
Purdue: 47
Wisconsin: 47
Indiana: 31.5
Minnesota: 19
Maryland: 7
 
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Here would be the seeds/projections going into the season with the projected starters from wrestlestat. Freshman don’t have matches so Howard and Kerkvilet (maybe Berge coming off injury?) seem to be the biggest potential gainers for PSU. Although I think others could also move up the rankings too.

125 lbs.
#1 Spencer Lee (IOWA): 1 WS
#2 Rayvon Foley (MSU): 5 WS
#3 Devin Schroder (PUR): 7 WS
#4 Chris Cannon (NW): 16 WS
#5 Jacob Medley (MICH): 17 WS
#6 Liam Cronin (NEB): 19 WS
#7 Nico Aguilar (RUT): 23 WS
#8 Brock Hudkins (IND): 24 WS
#9 Justin Cardini (ILL): 32 WS
#10 Malik Heinselman (OSU): 34 WS
#11 Eric Barnett (WIS): 35 WS
#12 Pat McKee (MINN): 45 WS
#13 Brandon Cray (MD): 60 WS
#14 Robbie Howard (PSU): 74 WS

133 lbs.
#1 Stevan Micic (MICH): 1 WS
#2 Nick Suriano (RUT): 2 WS
#3 Austin DeSanto (IOWA): 3 WS
#4 Roman Bravo-Young (PSU): 4 WS
#5 Michael DeAugustino (NW): 15 WS
#6 Tucker Sjomeling (NEB): 30 WS
#7 Jordan Hamdan (MSU): 32 WS
#8 Boo Dryden (MINN): 33 WS
#9 Lucas Byrd (ILL): 34 WS
#10 Jordan Decatur (OSU): 35 WS
#11 Kyle Luigs (IND): 39 WS
#12 Travis Ford-Melton (PUR): 48 WS
#13 King Sandoval (MD): 49 WS
#14 Kyle Burwick (WIS): 59 WS

141 lbs.
#1 Nick Lee (PSU): 1 WS
#2 Sebastian Rivera (RUT): 2 WS
#3 Jaydin Eierman (IOWA): 3 WS
#4 Chad Red (NEB): 4 WS
#5 Joey Silva (MICH): 21 WS
#6 Dylan Duncan (ILL): 23 WS
#7 Trevor Chumbly (NW): 28 WS
#8 Parker Filius (PUR): 29 WS
#9 Paul Konrath (IND): 37 WS
#10 Danny Bertoni (MD): 38 WS
#11 Sebas Swiggum (MINN): 48 WS
#12 Matt Santos (MSU): 54 WS
#13 Trey Escobar (WIS): 73 WS
#14 Anthony Echemendia (OSU): 74 WS

149 lbs.
#1 Sammy Sasso (OSU): 3 WS
#2 Max Murin (IOWA): 6 WS
#3 Brayton Lee (MINN): 10 WS
#4 Kanen Storr (MICH): 11 WS
#5 Mike Carr (ILL): 16 WS
#6 Kevon Davenport (NEB): 18 WS
#7 Jarod Verkleeren (PSU): 23 WS
#8 Yahya Thomas (NW): 27 WS
#9 Griffin Parriot (PUR): 30 WS
#10 Graham Rooks (IND): 31 WS
#11 Peyton Omania (MSU): 53 WS
#12 Michael Doetsch (MD): 57 WS
#13 Nicholas Termini (WIS): 74 WS
#14 Ryan Vulakh (RUT): 77 WS

157 lbs.
#1 Ryan Deakin (NW): 2 WS
#2 Kendall Coleman (PUR): 8 WS
#3 Kaleb Young (IOWA): 11 WS
#4 Peyton Robb (NEB): 12 WS
#5 Will Lewan (MICH): 14 WS
#6 Brady Berge (PSU): 15 WS
#7 Michael North (MD): 20 WS
#8 Nathan Atienza (MSU): 26 WS
#9 Elijah Cleary (OSU): 27 WS
#10 Ryan Thomas (MINN): 30 WS
#11 Mike VanBrill (RUT): 31 WS
#12 Garret Model (WIS): 39 WS
#13 Fernie Silva (IND): 56 WS
#14 Johnny Mologousis (ILL): 68 WS

165 lbs.
#1 Alex Marinelli (IOWA): 1 WS
#2 Evan Wick (WIS): 2 WS
#3 Carson Kharchla (OSU): 12 WS
#4 Joe Lee (PSU): 15 WS
#5 Jacob Tucker (MSU): 17 WS
#6 Danny Braunagel (ILL): 18 WS
#7 Cameron Amine (MICH): 19 WS
#8 Emil Soehnlen (PUR): 23 WS
#9 Bubba Wilson (NEB): 26 WS
#10 Bailee O'Reilly (MINN): 30 WS
#11 Brett Donner (RUT): 42 WS
#12 Kyle Cochran (MD): 52 WS
#13 Nicholas South (IND): 56 WS
#14 Erich Byelick (NW): 60 WS

174 lbs.
#1 Michael Kemmerer (IOWA): 1 WS
#2 Logan Massa (MICH): 2 WS
#3 Mikey Labriola (NEB): 3 WS
#4 Carter Starocci (PSU): 5 WS
#5 Kaleb Romero (OSU): 6 WS
#6 Joseph Grello (RUT): 16 WS
#7 Drew Hughes (MSU): 20 WS
#8 Donnell Washington (IND): 25 WS
#9 Troy Fisher (NW): 26 WS
#10 David Rojas (ILL): 27 WS
#11 Philip Spadafora (MD): 30 WS
#12 Jared Krattinger (WIS): 31 WS
#13 Tanner Webster (PUR): 63 WS
#14 Nathan Fuller (MINN): 76 WS

184 lbs.
#1 Myles Amine (MICH): 1 WS
#2 Aaron Brooks (PSU): 3 WS
#3 Taylor Venz (NEB): 8 WS
#4 Abe Assad (IOWA): 9 WS
#5 Chris Weiler (WIS): 13 WS
#6 Rocky Jordan (OSU): 17 WS
#7 Layne Malczewski (MSU): 19 WS
#8 Zach Braunagel (ILL): 20 WS
#9 Owen Webster (MINN): 21 WS
#10 Max Lyon (PUR): 25 WS
#11 Jack Jessen (NW): 39 WS
#12 Kyle Jasenski (MD): 57 WS
#13 John Poznarski (RUT): 69 WS
#14 Sean Grim (IND): 75 WS

197 lbs.
#1 Cameron Caffey (MSU): 3 WS
#2 Jacob Warner (IOWA): 4 WS
#3 Eric Schultz (NEB): 6 WS
#4 Michael Beard (PSU): 8 WS
#5 Lucas Davison (NW): 13 WS
#6 Chase Singletary (OSU): 14 WS
#7 Billy Janzer (RUT): 20 WS
#8 Jelani Embree (MICH): 21 WS
#9 Thomas Penola (PUR): 30 WS
#10 Matt Wrobleski (ILL): 38 WS
#11 Dylan Anderson (MINN): 42 WS
#12 Peter Christiansen (WIS): 51 WS
#13 Nick Willham (IND): 52 WS
#14 Kevin Makosy (MD): 56 WS

285 lbs.
#1 Gable Steveson (MINN): 1 WS
#2 Mason Parris (MICH): 2 WS
#3 Tony Cassioppi (IOWA): 4 WS
#4 Trent Hillger (WIS): 6 WS
#5 Tate Orndorff (OSU): 7 WS
#6 Greg Kerkvliet (PSU): 16 WS
#7 Garrett Hoffman (IND): 28 WS
#8 Luke Luffman (ILL): 29 WS
#9 Cole Davidson (NEB): 34 WS
#10 Christian Colucci (RUT): 35 WS
#11 Christian Rebottaro (MSU): 43 WS
#12 Jamarcus Grant (PUR): 54 WS
#13 Jack Heyob (NW): 64 WS
#14 Parker Robinson (MD): 79 WS

Team scores
Iowa - 148.5
Michigan - 116.5
Penn State - 101.5
Nebraska - 84.5
Michigan State - 65.5
Ohio State - 65.5
Northwestern – 59
Rutgers – 50
Purdue - 37.5
Wisconsin - 37.5
Minnesota - 37.5
Illinois – 34
Indiana – 15
Maryland - 7.5
 
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Maybe it means nothing or maybe it means they will Olympic Redshirt but Penn State has updated their Track OPC roster with no Nick Lee or Greg Kerkvliet. Not trying to start something just pointing it out since most aren't like me in checking rosters daily (team sites and Track) to update WrestlStat.
 
I'd be very surprised if RBY and Brooks didn't take a normal RS as well.

Also, I have to wonder how the B1G tournament version of Aaron Brooks would have done in the 5th place match against Sammy Brooks at Senior Nats (the guy he beat earlier in the tournament). It was pretty apparent to me that he put on a bit of muscle AND dramatically improved his fitness over the course of the college season. I'd bet that he'd have beaten The Mullett for 5th if he'd taken his B1G tourny level of fitness to that 86kg bracket.
 
This thread got me thinking what if every single person took a redshirt (at least those who could). Below would be the Big 10 tournament seeding/placing according to wrestlestat with that field. I know the question was about NCAAs but it gives you a sense of how much PSU would lose.

Hopefully I did not take somebody out I should not have or add somebody that still has a redshirt. I could have missed Olympic redshirts but I took them all out even if they used an ORS last year. I guess more guys could get taken off this list depending on Senior Nationals.

125 lbs.
#1 Rayvon Foley (MSU): 5 WS
#2 Devin Schroder (PUR): 7 WS
#3 Chris Cannon (NW): 16 WS
#4 Jacob Medley (MICH): 17 WS
#5 Liam Cronin (NEB): 19 WS
#6 Nico Aguilar (RUT): 23 WS
#7 Brock Hudkins (IND): 24 WS
#8 Justin Cardini (ILL): 32 WS
#9 Ethan Rotondo (WIS): 35 WS
#10 Pat McKee (MINN): 48 WS
#11 Dylan Koontz (OSU): 50 WS
#12 Brandon Meredith (PSU): 62 WS
#13 Brandon Cray (MD): 91 WS
#14 Aaron Cashman (IOWA): 243 WS

133 lbs.
#1 Michael DeAugustino (NW): 20 WS
#2 Drew Mattin (MICH): 35 WS
#3 Tucker Sjomeling (NEB): 40 WS
#4 Jordan Hamdan (MSU): 44 WS
#5 Lucas Byrd (ILL): 46 WS
#6 Justin Stickley (IOWA): 55 WS
#7 Malcolm Robinson (RUT): 60 WS
#8 Kyle Luigs (IND): 61 WS
#9 King Sandoval (MD): 78 WS
#10 Brady Koontz (OSU): 97 WS
#11 Kyle Burwick (WIS): 103 WS
#12 Brent Jones (MINN): 118 WS
#13 Austin Clabaugh (PSU): 137 WS
#14 Michael Leveille (PUR): 239 WS

141 lbs.
#1 Sebastian Rivera (RUT): 2 WS
#2 Chad Red (NEB): 4 WS
#3 Joey Silva (MICH): 22 WS
#4 Dylan Duncan (ILL): 24 WS
#5 Trevor Chumbly (NW): 31 WS
#6 Parker Filius (PUR): 33 WS
#7 Carter Happel (IOWA): 44 WS
#8 Paul Konrath (IND): 46 WS
#9 Danny Bertoni (MD): 48 WS
#10 Sebas Swiggum (MINN): 65 WS
#11 Matt Santos (MSU): 89 WS
#12 Mason Lindenmuth (PSU): 96 WS
#13 Trey Escobar (WIS): 189 WS
#14 Dylan D'Emilio (OSU): 193 WS

149 lbs.
#1 Sammy Sasso (OSU): 3 WS
#2 Max Murin (IOWA): 6 WS
#3 Brayton Lee (MINN): 10 WS
#4 Mike Carr (ILL): 16 WS
#5 Kevon Davenport (NEB): 18 WS
#6 Jarod Verkleeren (PSU): 25 WS
#7 Yahya Thomas (NW): 30 WS
#8 Griffin Parriot (PUR): 35 WS
#9 Graham Rooks (IND): 36 WS
#10 Peyton Omania (MSU): 67 WS
#11 Michael Doetsch (MD): 76 WS
#12 Nick Lombard (MICH): 116 WS
#13 Nicholas Termini (WIS): 154 WS
#14 Ryan Vulakh (RUT): 198 WS

157 lbs.
#1 Ryan Deakin (NW): 2 WS
#2 Kendall Coleman (PUR): 8 WS
#3 Kaleb Young (IOWA): 11 WS
#4 Peyton Robb (NEB): 12 WS
#5 Will Lewan (MICH): 14 WS
#6 Brady Berge (PSU): 15 WS
#7 Michael North (MD): 20 WS
#8 Nathan Atienza (MSU): 27 WS
#9 Elijah Cleary (OSU): 30 WS
#10 Ryan Thomas (MINN): 33 WS
#11 Mike VanBrill (RUT): 34 WS
#12 Garret Model (WIS): 46 WS
#13 Fernie Silva (IND): 88 WS
#14 Johnny Mologousis (ILL): 131 WS

165 lbs.
#1 Alex Marinelli (IOWA): 1 WS
#2 Evan Wick (WIS): 2 WS
#3 Carson Kharchla (OSU): 12 WS
#4 Joe Lee (PSU): 16 WS
#5 Jacob Tucker (MSU): 18 WS
#6 Danny Braunagel (ILL): 19 WS
#7 Cameron Amine (MICH): 20 WS
#8 Emil Soehnlen (PUR): 26 WS
#9 Bubba Wilson (NEB): 31 WS
#10 Bailee O'Reilly (MINN): 36 WS
#11 Brett Donner (RUT): 59 WS
#12 Kyle Cochran (MD): 75 WS
#13 Nicholas South (IND): 81 WS
#14 Erich Byelick (NW): 91 WS

174 lbs.
#1 Michael Kemmerer (IOWA): 1 WS
#2 Mikey Labriola (NEB): 3 WS
#3 Carter Starocci (PSU): 5 WS
#4 Kaleb Romero (OSU): 6 WS
#5 Joseph Grello (RUT): 16 WS
#6 Drew Hughes (MSU): 21 WS
#7 Donnell Washington (IND): 31 WS
#8 Troy Fisher (NW): 32 WS
#9 DJ Shannon (ILL): 40 WS
#10 Philip Spadafora (MD): 41 WS
#11 Jared Krattinger (WIS): 42 WS
#12 Max Maylor (MICH): 95 WS
#13 Tanner Webster (PUR): 106 WS
#14 Nathan Fuller (MINN): 216 WS

184 lbs.
#1 Taylor Venz (NEB): 8 WS
#2 Chris Weiler (WIS): 13 WS
#3 Rocky Jordan (OSU): 17 WS
#4 Layne Malczewski (MSU): 19 WS
#5 Nelson Brands (IOWA): 20 WS
#6 Zach Braunagel (ILL): 21 WS
#7 Owen Webster (MINN): 22 WS
#8 Creighton Edsell (PSU): 34 WS
#9 Jack Jessen (NW): 45 WS
#10 Jared Florell (PUR): 76 WS
#11 Bobby Striggow (MICH): 78 WS
#12 Kyle Jasenski (MD): 84 WS
#13 Anthony Oliveri (RUT): 84 WS
#14 Sean Grim (IND): 233 WS

197 lbs.
#1 Cameron Caffey (MSU): 3 WS
#2 Jacob Warner (IOWA): 4 WS
#3 Eric Schultz (NEB): 7 WS
#4 Michael Beard (PSU): 9 WS
#5 Lucas Davison (NW): 14 WS
#6 Chase Singletary (OSU): 15 WS
#7 Billy Janzer (RUT): 22 WS
#8 Jelani Embree (MICH): 25 WS
#9 Thomas Penola (PUR): 35 WS
#10 Matt Wrobleski (ILL): 48 WS
#11 Dylan Anderson (MINN): 53 WS
#12 Brady Wetter (WIS): 81 WS
#13 Kevin Makosy (MD): 90 WS
#14 Forfeit Forfeit? (IND): WS

285 lbs.
#1 Tony Cassioppi (IOWA): 4 WS
#2 Trent Hillger (WIS): 6 WS
#3 Tate Orndorff (OSU): 7 WS
#4 Garrett Hoffman (IND): 34 WS
#5 Cole Davidson (NEB): 41 WS
#6 Christian Colucci (RUT): 42 WS
#7 Christian Rebottaro (MSU): 58 WS
#8 Brian Burns (ILL): 62 WS
#9 Keaton Kluever (MINN): 70 WS
#10 Jamarcus Grant (PUR): 80 WS
#11 Zachery Nemec (MICH): 97 WS
#12 Keagan Carmenatty (PSU): 115 WS
#13 Jack Heyob (NW): 117 WS
#14 Parker Robinson (MD): 232 WS

Team Scores
Iowa: 122
Nebraska: 112.5
Michigan State: 88.5
Northwestern: 78.5
Ohio State: 76.5
Michigan: 60
Penn State: 57.5
Illinois: 57
Rutgers: 56
Purdue: 47
Wisconsin: 47
Indiana: 31.5
Minnesota: 19
Maryland: 7
"It'll be the biggest asterisk this sport has ever seen."
 
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So on a Sunday afternoon, I decided to go through and look at NCAAs if everybody redshirted who could. I left in the Ivy League, and service academy kids regardless just because they can't redshirt (although they could unenroll maybe? I know Ivies can, not sure about service acadamies). They could take olympic redshirts again which are figured in for Cornell.

I know this is hypothetical and would not be reality but I found it interesting to look at.

Here were the top 10 teams. No bonus, just decisions based off of their wrestlestat rankings coming into the year.
Iowa: 85.5
Iowa State: 71.5
NC State: 70
Oklahoma State: 65
Nebraska: 57.5
Ohio State: 41.5
Pittsburgh: 41
Central Michigan: 38.5
Arizona State: 34.5
Michigan State: 34

I know it will be a rough year for Penn State if this happens but they would finish 20th in this hypothetical world. I think all of those kids high a higher ceiling than this but here would be their qualifiers with seed. That would put them 8th out of the Big 10 schools at NCAAs just behind Rutgers and Northwestern, slightly ahead of Purdue.

Verkleeren: 17
Berge: 14
Joe Lee: 13
Starocci: 4
Beard: 8

Just some other notes, Nebraska would be the only school to qualify 10 weights. Not that you prepare for this in your recruiting but Lightweight U. would not have a qualifier at 125 or 33 and Happel at 141 would be seeded 32nd.

Iowa State, NC State, and Oklahoma State would all tie for the most All-Americans at 6. Iowa would have 5.
 
The $5 15 minute at him Covid test that was just approved by the FDA will be a game changer sports.
Is it accurate tho. Good article in nytimes about most covid positives shouldn't be. We need to be only testing people IF they feel sick.
With football rolling along , hs atleast, smoothly. Lets go. The big ten getting pressured into actually having fall football. Wrestling can be done. So much fewer kids to look after and kids that are more likely to sacrifice a party in order to wrestle.
 
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Maybe it means nothing or maybe it means they will Olympic Redshirt but Penn State has updated their Track OPC roster with no Nick Lee or Greg Kerkvliet. Not trying to start something just pointing it out since most aren't like me in checking rosters daily (team sites and Track) to update WrestlStat.


Does anybody here know exactly where Kerk stands eligibility wise? There was so much speculation last year I just lost track.
 
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I have a hard time imagining Carter Starocci scoring less than 20 points. Yes, I just said that. I don't see him taking anything less than 2nd place at 174. Labriola and Massa are going to have a hard time keeping him off their legs. And watching him last year at the Scuffle, if/when he gets a hold of a leg, he's pulling it in.

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Does anybody here know exactly where Kerk stands eligibility wise? There was so much speculation last year I just lost track.

From everything I've read, he would have wrestled this year if he was eligible; he wasn't because of transfer rules. That said, I don't know if last year counted against his four seasons. I can't imagine it counts against his RS, though. And, if he wants, he's eligible for an Oly, too, as he was 3rd at Senior Nats.

I realize the rankings are the rankings, but does anyone really think that Cassioppi (or Orndorff, or Hilger) is going to out-place Kerkvliet at NCAAs if Kerk is healthy AND is wrestling this year? I see Kerk beating him 9 out of 10 times.
 
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I have a hard time imagining Carter Starocci scoring less than 20 points. Yes, I just said that. I don't see him taking anything less than 2nd place at 174. Labriola and Massa are going to have a hard time keeping him off their legs. And watching him last year at the Scuffle, if/when he gets a hold of a leg, he's pulling it in.

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From everything I've read, he would have wrestled this year if he was eligible; he wasn't because of transfer rules. That said, I don't know if last year counted against his four seasons. I can't imagine it counts against his RS, though. And, if he wants, he's eligible for an Oly, too, as he was 3rd at Senior Nats.

I realize the rankings are the rankings, but does anyone really think that Cassioppi (or Orndorff, or Hilger) is going to out-place Kerkvliet at NCAAs if Kerk is healthy AND is wrestling this year? I see Kerk beating him 9 out of 10 times.
I mostly agree with you, but Harvey and Carey are hardly the same level as Labriola and Massa. I’ll be quite pleased with majors against those guys. 😛

Hey wow, look at that. Rivals has taken their emoji game out of the 90s!

*edit* I realize now you probably meant 20 points at NCAA’s, I thought you meant in all of his matches.
 
Maybe it means nothing or maybe it means they will Olympic Redshirt but Penn State has updated their Track OPC roster with no Nick Lee or Greg Kerkvliet. Not trying to start something just pointing it out since most aren't like me in checking rosters daily (team sites and Track) to update WrestlStat.


Maybe I read too much into it but I think that gives my credibility to redshirt-all rumors that have been floating around. Not that they couldn't change their mind like Matt Kolodzik but I think that gives an indication to which way they might be leaning. Seems too obvious to just forget those two.

Some other things I noticed from Ivies that have posted rosters.

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#21 Joe Manchio - Columbia: not on track (EIWA runner-up)
#23 Michael Colaiocca - Penn: not on school roster.

As a matter of fact, Penn's first five postseason weight entrants (and HWT) who all would have returned are not listed on the roster which makes me think they deferred.
 
Also, I brought up the Penn thing since I believe PSU was supposed to dual them this year. I assume that is off but I have no inside information on that other than schools who are trying to compete are doing conference only for fall.

That got me thinking of another point. For selection to the NCAAs. How are they going to compare SoCon wrestlers to EIWA wrestlers to Big 10 wrestlers if they never wrestle each other? I know Big 10 is the strongest but that varies by weight (as indicated by allocations). I don't think this would happen but what is to prevent a group of conference coaches from from just saying the 8 best wrestlers at a certain weight are in the SoCon for example. Nobody outside of the conference beat them this year (because they never wrestled).
 
I mostly agree with you, but Harvey and Carey are hardly the same level as Labriola and Massa. I’ll be quite pleased with majors against those guys. 😛

Hey wow, look at that. Rivals has taken their emoji game out of the 90s!

*edit* I realize now you probably meant 20 points at NCAA’s, I thought you meant in all of his matches.

Well, I wouldn't be opposed to Starocci tossing up a 20-spot on some Labriola or Massa. But, I'd take wins over each of them.

I believe he will be an NCAA finalist this year, if NCAAs happen, and he's healthy.
 
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